Originally posted by Thenarius

Can't say I don't agree with you. Vanilla was fun, TBC was the best for raiding IMO...WOTLK is pretty much a big experiment. Let's hope Cataclysm will fix it!(Just like resilience, you know...)

I was very much enjoying TBC, aside from Arenas , and felt that overall it was a good expansion even though it did kill off their best work in vanilla.  Was hoping the xpac would be delayed another 6 months so that I could continue enjoying TBC.

I would play on a vanilla WoW server without hesitation.  That is the best content Blizzard has ever done, particularly 50-60 instances & raids. 

Originally posted by Frostbite05

the main gripe that the majority have against the game is that they are simply burnt out. This is what happens when you play a game so much. They can add all the content and new raids and so on but the feeling will remain unless you take a break or simply limit how much you play. That simply the same thing goes for any game on the market

Not really.  The main gripe was that Blizzard was dumbing down the game.   Although nowdays, I think players are being burned out fast since it is so streamlined & so repetitive with no quality goal.

troll attempt = win!

wow IS dieing!!! run for you're lifes!

Originally posted by Hydroblunt

Originally posted by lisubab

I do feel burnt out at times.  The only way out is to switch to something else, or stop going MMO for a while.

I am looking at the new single player RPG coming up in Dec.  Take a break.  Do something else.  If you feel you want to come back, do so.  When I logged out of UO, I never got the urge to return, same for EQ.  When I logged out of DAoC or CoX, I did return but never last long.  I logged out of WoW, I returned and played for another year +.  That, is the difference.

I'm not burned out, I'm done with WoW.  The game is dead to me since patch 3.0.  It's as simple as that.  I tried to return during the summer to pass a few months before Aion launch and was really bored. None of my WoW friends in game played anymore. The crafting took a step down, and just like you, I had alts for all the professions.  The rest I already spoke about and plenty of ex-WoW players agree with me.  The game got more simple, more dumb, less interesting.  And WAR's Tome unlocks system is more interesting, by the way.  I was trying AoC, EvE, Aion betas & Ryzom at the same and spent more time in those games.  Hence, bye bye WoW, forever.

I play mostly EvE, which blows WoW out of the water, and Aion, which in my opinion is a better game all around.  There are better games out there, it's as simple as that.  Blizzard chose a direction which allowed it to become the McDonalds of MMOs, and that is fine.  It's not my cup of tea.  But I'm sure millions continue to love it, just like over a billion love McDonalds.

Good for you, you find EvE and love it.  Others find their games and go along with it.  Win win.

Originally posted by Hydroblunt

Originally posted by Frostbite05

the main gripe that the majority have against the game is that they are simply burnt out. This is what happens when you play a game so much. They can add all the content and new raids and so on but the feeling will remain unless you take a break or simply limit how much you play. That simply the same thing goes for any game on the market

Not really.  The main gripe was that Blizzard was dumbing down the game.   Although nowdays, I think players are being burned out fast since it is so streamlined & so repetitive with no quality goal.

The main gripe was that people has nothing to ramble and keeps dumbing down the arguments when writing nonsense rant here.

See?  What is dumbing down?  Your expression skills is dumbed down when you are unable to provide a reason and resort to meaningless blanket terms.

Originally posted by Hydroblunt

Originally posted by lisubab

I do feel burnt out at times.  The only way out is to switch to something else, or stop going MMO for a while.

I am looking at the new single player RPG coming up in Dec.  Take a break.  Do something else.  If you feel you want to come back, do so.  When I logged out of UO, I never got the urge to return, same for EQ.  When I logged out of DAoC or CoX, I did return but never last long.  I logged out of WoW, I returned and played for another year +.  That, is the difference.

I'm not burned out, I'm done with WoW.  The game is dead to me since patch 3.0.  It's as simple as that.  I tried to return during the summer to pass a few months before Aion launch and was really bored. None of my WoW friends in game played anymore. The crafting took a step down, and just like you, I had alts for all the professions.  The rest I already spoke about and plenty of ex-WoW players agree with me.  The game got more simple, more dumb, less interesting.  And WAR's Tome unlocks system is more interesting, by the way.  I was trying AoC, EvE, Aion betas & Ryzom at the same and spent more time in those games.  Hence, bye bye WoW, forever.

I play mostly EvE, which blows WoW out of the water, and Aion, which in my opinion is a better game all around.  There are better games out there, it's as simple as that.  Blizzard chose a direction which allowed it to become the McDonalds of MMOs, and that is fine.  It's not my cup of tea.  But I'm sure millions continue to love it, just like over a billion love McDonalds.

So how long did you play WoW, all together combined?

approximate

Originally posted by Zorndorf

Originally posted by googajoob7

I WoW is great for the casual player and the younger player nowdays and theres still fun to be had in it . Most of the hard core and older players have moved on now to other things .

I

 

Still the usual crap coming from frustrated guy googa.

He fights official transcripts of Blizzard press conferences that confirmed 11.5M players2009 and he even fights Nielsen social studies of a ... 2 Million samples of US citizens playing the game.

http://www.wow.com/2009/04/09/nielsen-wow-is-most-played-core-game-by-25-54-females/

The vast majority of WOW players is older than 25. Period. Study was very clear on this.

He puts up his big wet thumb and than make statements coming out of his ass.

Talking about a guy upping EVERY negative WOW thread ttitle he can lay his hands on.

I had 350 people in my queue on sunday on my AL Akir EU server (one of the 250+ EU servers btw) and even "new" Aion with its low 18EU servers doesn't have queues anymore.

So I guess: frustration reigns over there in your head.

Be prepared, with patch 3.3 and Cataclysm launching around the corner: take a bath: you'll need it.

your dropping your age of the average player Zorndorf you were argueing it was 30 last month .  as to the vast majority of wow players being over 25 well i think your proven with that statement just how ridiculous you are . As for me being negative you think anyone that does nt say how fantastic WoW is in every post is negative . You always ignore the fact that i say i still think WoW offers some decent gameplay still even though i dont think the current state of the game is as good as it was or could be .

I tackle you on the issue of subscriber numbers because you never link to the offcial Warcraft website for the latest subsriber numbers only

1) obsure websites with dubiuos reputation 2)xfire figure which most people agree arnt paticulary accurate 3) the may statement of the guiness book of records ( which you dont seam to understand takes guiness around 6 months to corroberate the facts ) .

I dont know what the current subs are and neither do you . My guess and its only a guess is that they ve dropped because Blizzard have stopped releasing them when in 2008 they were doing it regulary .

The day you can link me to the official Blizzard website issueing a recent statement that they still have 11.5 million or more subscriptions i ll happily admit i m wrong .

Maybe they will be able to boast such figures again after the next expansion but obviously they cant at present .

 (As for Aion you ve obviously not read my recent posts slamming the way the launch was handled and the fact they did nt offer free time to players as Blizzard did in its initial months .Hell i even praised Blizzard for the way they handled WoW back then and said i wished Ncsoft were wise enough to do similar ) .

you see the difference between you and most of the other people in these forums is that your a fanatic and they are gamers .

 WoW is dying...but thats what happens to even the best RPGs - they have their prime & they die out, people move on, etc.  Lazy devs and drama-laden people (people in general) are the real death of WoW, but it will be a slow way down when you're that far on top.

The OPs statements however...were not even remotely on target, I'm kind of surprised o_o

PS.  I wonder how much blizzard made on day 1 of race changes...its like 25$ for turning on a lightbulb (of data) for them.  Man i wish I had 1% of that bankroll...

1. WoW starts dying.

2. Cataclysm comes out.

3. Wow sells more copies in a month than any MMO in history including itself and more people subscribe than ever before.

4. WoW starts dying.

5. Another expansion comes out.

6. .........

Originally posted by googajoob7 

I tackle you on the issue of subscriber numbers because you never link to the offcial Warcraft website for the latest subsriber numbers only

1) obsure websites with dubiuos reputation 2)xfire figure which most people agree arnt paticulary accurate 3) the may statement of the guiness book of records ( which you dont seam to understand takes guiness around 6 months to corroberate the facts ) .

I dont know what the current subs are and neither do you . My guess and its only a guess is that they ve dropped because Blizzard have stopped releasing them when in 2008 they were doing it regulary .

The day you can link me to the official Blizzard website issueing a recent statement that they still have 11.5 million or more subscriptions i ll happily admit i m wrong .

You are wrong, because you don't understand what you are reading. 

Blizzard announces subscriber MILESTONES.  The press releases are not some live update to blizzard subscriber levels.  The press releases are only issued when a new subscriber level is broken and we can only assume the next milestone will be 12 million.   

All you can tell from the lack of new press release is that WoW has not broken 12 million subscribers yet or they chose not to announce they did.  Beyond that you can tell nothing from a lack of new press release. 

Concluding that no new press release equates to a drop in subscribers shows your ignorance to the meaning behind the press releases. 

Now before you get your panties in a twist, I don't think there are 11.5 million subscribers either, but that is just my pure blind speculation and I could be shown to be wrong tomorrow.  I have nothing to support that other than a guess.  Nothing I see in game leads me to believe that game is dead, especially like the original poster wants us to believe. 

Originally posted by peenk

So how long did you play WoW, all together combined?

approximate

A little over 2 years.  Played for a year not too long after launch, quit for a year, came back and played seriously up until WotLK launched.

You're wrong.

WoW passed its prime in 2005, when I played it for 3-4 months, liked it for it's solid content, and eventually got bored with the gameplay and quit.  Since I wanted to quit(then did), it must have passed its prime.  That it went from 6 million subs to 11 million since then is irrelevant.  I got bored with it, so it must be on its way out. 

The world revolves around me and my opinion, and thus, the fate of all things within this world are subject to my critical whim; all will rise and fall based upon my sole discretion...

You are right about half the subs being Chinese farmers.  Because it would certainly be a lucrative business to have one gold farmer for every legit player in the game.  Everybody buys gold, and each person buys enough of it to pay one person to gold farm as well as cover overhead, and their chinese WoW account. 

Yes indeed.  Every legit person in WoW buys, say, 200 american dollars in WoW gold each month which leads to the huge profits of gold farmers.

Originally posted by lisubab

Originally posted by Hydroblunt

Originally posted by Frostbite05

the main gripe that the majority have against the game is that they are simply burnt out. This is what happens when you play a game so much. They can add all the content and new raids and so on but the feeling will remain unless you take a break or simply limit how much you play. That simply the same thing goes for any game on the market

Not really.  The main gripe was that Blizzard was dumbing down the game.   Although nowdays, I think players are being burned out fast since it is so streamlined & so repetitive with no quality goal.

 

The main gripe was that people has nothing to ramble and keeps dumbing down the arguments when writing nonsense rant here.

See?  What is dumbing down?  Your expression skills is dumbed down when you are unable to provide a reason and resort to meaningless blanket terms.

It's no rant, it's common feedback if you learn how to pay attention.  The original wave of players leaving had to do with TBC, which did simplify things, although many of them for the good, IMO.  Arena was a big reason for people quitting as well, something that definitely caters to the more mentally challenged.

Blizzard has been making the game easier & simpler, which brought in more newbies who just want to mash buttons while driving away older players that liked some challenge.

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by googajoob7 

I tackle you on the issue of subscriber numbers because you never link to the offcial Warcraft website for the latest subsriber numbers only

1) obsure websites with dubiuos reputation 2)xfire figure which most people agree arnt paticulary accurate 3) the may statement of the guiness book of records ( which you dont seam to understand takes guiness around 6 months to corroberate the facts ) .

I dont know what the current subs are and neither do you . My guess and its only a guess is that they ve dropped because Blizzard have stopped releasing them when in 2008 they were doing it regulary .

The day you can link me to the official Blizzard website issueing a recent statement that they still have 11.5 million or more subscriptions i ll happily admit i m wrong .

You are wrong, because you don't understand what you are reading. 

Blizzard announces subscriber MILESTONES.  The press releases are not some live update to blizzard subscriber levels.  The press releases are only issued when a new subscriber level is broken and we can only assume the next milestone will be 12 million.   

All you can tell from the lack of new press release is that WoW has not broken 12 million subscribers yet or they chose not to announce they did.  Beyond that you can tell nothing from a lack of new press release. 

Concluding that no new press release equates to a drop in subscribers shows your ignorance to the meaning behind the press releases. 

 

Now before you get your panties in a twist, I don't think there are 11.5 million subscribers either, but that is just my pure blind speculation and I could be shown to be wrong tomorrow.  I have nothing to support that other than a guess.  Nothing I see in game leads me to believe that game is dead, especially like the original poster wants us to believe. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think Blizzard had reatined 11.5 million it would still be boasting about it . I do remember certain fanbois suggesting it had exceeded 12 million . Blizzard were announcing regular milestones as you put it normally once every quarter up untill December 2009 . Forums all over the new are full of rumour they have lost several million players . The longer Blizzard remain quiet on the subject the more it ll seam accurate . My view is so what if Blizzard have gone down to 7 or 8 million subs its still doing pretty well but there are cetain people  that think the game is just going to go on increasing in popularity which is totally unrealistic .

If WoW went down to 3 million it would still be far from dead but i think there is some truth in that it has peaked and if your right that Blizzard only release milestones then we will never hear a statement regarding how many subs WoW has ever again .

And you know there will still be people in these forums still arguing in 10 years time that it still retains 11.5 million players .

Originally posted by googajoob7 

I think Blizzard had reatined 11.5 million it would still be boasting about it . I do remember certain fanbois suggesting it had exceeded 12 million . Blizzard were announcing regular milestones as you put it normally once every quarter up untill December 2009 . Forums all over the new are full of rumour they have lost several million players . The longer Blizzard remain quiet on the subject the more it ll seam accurate . My view is so what if Blizzard have gone down to 7 or 8 million subs its still doing pretty well but there are cetain people  that think the game is just going to go on increasing in popularity which is totally unrealistic .

If WoW went down to 3 million it would still be far from dead but i think there is some truth in that it has peaked and if your right that Blizzard only release milestones then we will never hear a statement regarding how many subs WoW has ever again .

And you know there will still be people in these forums still arguing in 10 years time that it still retains 11.5 million players .

Again, wow does not release subscription figures quarterly.  Those press releases happen when the milestones are broke, not to keep you informed of their subscriber levels on a regular basis.  You are trying to force meaning onto something that doesn't apply. 

Someone above linked where an executive from blizzard was quoted saying 11.6 million.  That would not be enough for a press release since the smallest they have done is 500,000 increments. 

Now you want to translate the lack of evidence being the best "proof" that the game has lost millions of players, be my guest.  You have nothing to back that up with and what you have read you simply don't understand, but that is normal from you.

The "rumors" about wow losing millions are true.  They lost millions of subscribers when the game was shut down in china by the government for several months.  No one really knows how many subs returned when they were allowed to reopen the game or how many moved to taiwan servers (which many did).

One thing I want you to think about before you go making claims.  If wow is down to 7 or 8 million subs, that would mean 3.5 to 4.5 million players are gone.  What effect do you think that would have on the servers if 1/3 of the game population just left?

I'm pretty sure you would be seeing plenty of server mergers, but that is just my opinion.

Wow wont die for a while, Blizzard still has its millions to make, in which they will, and i hope they do. In the end, an MMO is a money scheme. The more money they make, the more funds they can invest in time towards the next mmo they will release, which will make millions more. Get over it, accept it, its life......

LMAO.. sure ANY ONE can find a server that is DEAD.. log in .. OMG look WOW is dying. BUT.. WHAT.. what about ALLLLLL the other servers that are FULL. then ALL the HIGH, MED.. blah blah.. Just say your NOT playing wow and just trolling. My son plays that ..... game EVERY day.. and his server is ALWAYS full

WoW won't die any faster than the threads about WoW dying will...die....

What's amazing to me is that I saw two threads with the same kind of name pop up on the front page, one on top of the other. I thought they were the same...but no. Is there really a need for players to continually make new threads.

And why can't we PvP on the forums?

:p

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by googajoob7 

I think Blizzard had reatined 11.5 million it would still be boasting about it . I do remember certain fanbois suggesting it had exceeded 12 million . Blizzard were announcing regular milestones as you put it normally once every quarter up untill December 2009 . Forums all over the new are full of rumour they have lost several million players . The longer Blizzard remain quiet on the subject the more it ll seam accurate . My view is so what if Blizzard have gone down to 7 or 8 million subs its still doing pretty well but there are cetain people  that think the game is just going to go on increasing in popularity which is totally unrealistic .

If WoW went down to 3 million it would still be far from dead but i think there is some truth in that it has peaked and if your right that Blizzard only release milestones then we will never hear a statement regarding how many subs WoW has ever again .

And you know there will still be people in these forums still arguing in 10 years time that it still retains 11.5 million players .

 

Again, wow does not release subscription figures quarterly.  Those press releases happen when the milestones are broke, not to keep you informed of their subscriber levels on a regular basis.  You are trying to force meaning onto something that doesn't apply. 

Someone above linked where an executive from blizzard was quoted saying 11.6 million.  That would not be enough for a press release since the smallest they have done is 500,000 increments. 

Now you want to translate the lack of evidence being the best "proof" that the game has lost millions of players, be my guest.  You have nothing to back that up with and what you have read you simply don't understand, but that is normal from you.

The "rumors" about wow losing millions are true.  They lost millions of subscribers when the game was shut down in china by the government for several months.  No one really knows how many subs returned when they were allowed to reopen the game or how many moved to taiwan servers (which many did).

 

One thing I want you to think about before you go making claims.  If wow is down to 7 or 8 million subs, that would mean 3.5 to 4.5 million players are gone.  What effect do you think that would have on the servers if 1/3 of the game population just left?

I'm pretty sure you would be seeing plenty of server mergers, but that is just my opinion.

 

 

 

I think all you d see is what your seeing now , Theres a lot less full servers now in Europe than there was even and peak times and in th holidays . All but a dozen can only boast a medium or low population . It depends on the server but even in some of the medium servers the citys seam quieter than they used to . Of course that could mean every ones in instances or battlegrounds or wintersgraps or whatever .

I would argue that there are so many low population servers now that they really should be merging them because these all but dead . I dont think Blizzard will look at doing anything so rash because it may need them if the Cataclysm brings people back to the game in droves .

I personally think WoW peaked in terms of subs last winter and is now in a troth . That not to say it might go up again if Blizzard start doing the kind of things they need to do to attract some of the old players that have left back . Most i know have left because they feel the game is too easy and is too full of annoying kids . So 18+ or servers that offer a more challenging game experiance might bring such people back .

After all no reputable chatroom would encourage children and adults to share the same virtual space  so why should a game . ( of course this does nt apply just to WoW but other mmos as well ) .

Originally posted by Snoogems

WoW is now passed its prime guys. WoW is slowly dieing... There is no game out there that is killing it, its just dieing. Matter of time before they start closing down servers. They are adding every bit of gimick they can before people start leaving. The server populations is terrible.

I logged in on of my characters to find 1 person in ironforge 5 people in dalaran and 23 level 80s on. This is what they pass off as a "MEDIUM" population server. This is common on all servers as the population balance is terrible. Their payed realm and faction transfer is killing their game. You can now also create races from the opposite faction as a feable attempt to compensate for the population balance.

This is only 1 problem of many that is killing WoW.

These huge number of subscriptions you see are total crap. Half of them were owned by the chinese and since they banned gold farming, youll see a huge drop in subs. RAF accounts are also the culprit for this massive subscription count. People are creating multiple accounts and powerlevleing, skipping all the content, leaving the lower level instances to be ghostlands.

There is no coincidence to why after many years of being against faction, and realm transfers, even when saying it was impossible to program this, that they impliment these changes.

The talent system is unfixable with the disaster of WoTLK. It isimpossible to balance this many talent trees on all classes. This is what they are spending all of their time on.

You may not see drastic changes to the game like NGE with SWG, but slow changes over time as you know, changing every aspect of the game much like NGE.

I still have my subscription to WoW, but will most likely be cancelling it as this EQ style mmorpg is so tiring.

I've seen the "WoW is Dying" threads a million times since before BC came out. Eventually they'll be right