Originally posted by SonikFlash

Some of you are taking this to seriously, it's a male dominated genre of gaming if you cant stand these arguments gtfo.

Now granted I voted yes, because the OP was Obviously sarcastic.  My vote was also sarcastic, however, in an effort to objectify women even more, my next post will be a "How many camels is your wife actually worth?" thread.

The answer is 3 right?

I don't know if the OP was being sarcastic or not, but I thought I'd take the time to add an opinion to the discussion.

Rather than "more revealing clothes" for women -full stop. I'd like to see more variety in armor/appearance clothing in general in MMORPGS, for both genders. Having a character that looks and dresses in a way you find pleasing (regardless of gender of player or character) is important to bonding with said character and game. At least for me. This is especially important (but not exclusive to) if you also roleplay in game. Not to mention that variety in clothing/armor style helps make a more diverse and immersive world.

I admit I am a bit tired that the typical armor available to female characters in games are less than modest. I do not want to see them removed, I just think there should be more options. While there is of course the argument that modest clothing doesn't fit into x-game, well, what do you think the elderly folks of that IP wear? (Assuming there are elderly of course).

This is not to say that I don't sometimes enjoy decking my characters in sexy outfits, including appearance slots where available. If I feel that sort of thing fits my idea of who that character would be, then I go with it.

However, I think there should be more choice. Or possibly even something like a modesty toggle or slider. Want a bikini? Slider to 0, want hiking pants? put it to 2. That is just a random example, and I fully realize it would be a lot of work and require 2 or more designs per armor piece. 

I know it's not likely to happen, or at least not likely to happen in games that already use a very specific armor/clothing design. It's just wishful thinking for future MMOs.

Originally posted by Carl132p

The point being made in neons post isn't even valid. Women don't react the same way as men to that type of thing.

 

Indeed you're correct. We live in a male dominated society where women have been conditioned to accept the fact that its normal for them to be depicted as sex objects and lusted over by the blokes.....so no they dont react in the same way as your typical macho bloke to that type of thing.......on the surface. Just because they're not incredibly vocal about it (ie they dont feel the need to prove how "womanly" they are to other women) doesnt mean they arent interested in looking at blokes in revealing clothes though does it. Women are interested in sex as well ya know.

So really my point is totally valid. I'm simply being open-minded. If its alright for men to oggle semi-naked women (which it is by the way) then women should have the opportunity to oggle semi-naked men (which is also perfectly fine). Whats wrong with that? Its only fair. But oh gosh that means challenging the accepted biased standards of our society! We cant have that can we.

Go find a real woman and stop getting off on games.

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Carl132p

The point being made in neons post isn't even valid. Women don't react the same way as men to that type of thing.

 

 

Indeed you're correct. We live in a male dominated society where women have been conditioned to accept the fact that its normal for them to be depicted as sex objects and lusted over by the blokes.....so no they dont react in the same way as your typical macho bloke to that type of thing.......on the surface. Just because they're not incredibly vocal about it (ie they dont feel the need to prove how "womanly" they are to other women) doesnt mean they arent interested in looking at blokes in revealing clothes though does it. Women are interested in sex as well ya know.

So really my point is totally valid. I'm simply being open-minded. If its alright for men to oggle semi-naked women (which it is by the way) then women should have the opportunity to oggle semi-naked men (which is also perfectly fine). Whats wrong with that? Its only fair. But oh gosh that means challenging the accepted biased standards of our society! We cant have that can we.

If women liked to oggle as much as men, there would be an equal number of male and female strip clubs.

Have you noticed there are strip clubs with women taking off their clothes everywhere, but no male strip clubs at all? That's because they can't make enough money to stay in business.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Carl132p

The point being made in neons post isn't even valid. Women don't react the same way as men to that type of thing.

 

 

Indeed you're correct. We live in a male dominated society where women have been conditioned to accept the fact that its normal for them to be depicted as sex objects and lusted over by the blokes.....so no they dont react in the same way as your typical macho bloke to that type of thing.......on the surface. Just because they're not incredibly vocal about it (ie they dont feel the need to prove how "womanly" they are to other women) doesnt mean they arent interested in looking at blokes in revealing clothes though does it. Women are interested in sex as well ya know.

So really my point is totally valid. I'm simply being open-minded. If its alright for men to oggle semi-naked women (which it is by the way) then women should have the opportunity to oggle semi-naked men (which is also perfectly fine). Whats wrong with that? Its only fair. But oh gosh that means challenging the accepted biased standards of our society! We cant have that can we.

 

If women liked to oggle as much as men, there would be an equal number of male and female strip clubs.

Have you noticed there are strip clubs with women taking off their clothes everywhere, but no male strip clubs at all? That's because they can't make enough money to stay in business.

 

Uh. There are tons of male strip clubs for women, look around. Maybe not as many as for men, however, it's not just due to difference in lust, it's also much more acceptable (and even reinforced!) for men to look at naked women. There's porn for women, strip clubs for women, even playboy-esque magazines for women. While I agree a woman's biological lust for sex is on average less than that of an average man, I think you're severely underestimating women. My girlfriend, for example, loves sex a tad more than I do.

It's not even attractive. You think those women from Soul & Blade and Terra Online are attractive? Wow, you need to get out more and appreciate other features like a soft face, look, voice and the way genders just differ.

Not everyone who plays these games is 14 you know. There's more to some, and I stress 'some', women than boobs shaped like a submarine.

Yes.

Although I could also make up silly excuses and deny the fact that I like to see them.

The Ferengi had it right... women should be naked and subservient...

Originally posted by bastii

It's not even attractive. You think those women from Soul & Blade and Terra Online are attractive? Wow, you need to get out more and appreciate other features like a soft face, look, voice and the way genders just differ.

Not everyone who plays these games is 14 you know. There's more to some, and I stress 'some', women than boobs shaped like a submarine.

Bah, I hate hypocrites. We all know there is more to another person then what meets the eye, thank you very much. That doesnt mean we dont appreciate sexy curves. No matter if its real, a drawing, or a toon in a game. It seems to me that you need to grow up and accept that. You can all act 'civilized', but I just know that you look (not only subconsciously) at boobs, asses , legs etc.

Oh, btw ..the women do that too! :p

EDIT : forget what I said, if your wife/girlfriend was looking over your shoulder while you posted that nonsense :p

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Carl132p

The point being made in neons post isn't even valid. Women don't react the same way as men to that type of thing.

 

 

Indeed you're correct. We live in a male dominated society where women have been conditioned to accept the fact that its normal for them to be depicted as sex objects and lusted over by the blokes.....so no they dont react in the same way as your typical macho bloke to that type of thing.......on the surface. Just because they're not incredibly vocal about it (ie they dont feel the need to prove how "womanly" they are to other women) doesnt mean they arent interested in looking at blokes in revealing clothes though does it. Women are interested in sex as well ya know.

So really my point is totally valid. I'm simply being open-minded. If its alright for men to oggle semi-naked women (which it is by the way) then women should have the opportunity to oggle semi-naked men (which is also perfectly fine). Whats wrong with that? Its only fair. But oh gosh that means challenging the accepted biased standards of our society! We cant have that can we.

 

If women liked to oggle as much as men, there would be an equal number of male and female strip clubs.

Have you noticed there are strip clubs with women taking off their clothes everywhere, but no male strip clubs at all? That's because they can't make enough money to stay in business.

 

No, that has a different reason. Its only the last decades that women are slowly accepted as equals. But even now, its still not accepted in many western countries for women to admit they like sex with no strings attached. Or checking mens asses, chest or even bulge. Both sexes also do that subconsciously btw.

You ever seen a naked Feringi bub !! .. (shudder) especialy the old ones (double shudder).

 Thier ears are HOT tho.

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Carl132p

The point being made in neons post isn't even valid. Women don't react the same way as men to that type of thing.

 

 

Indeed you're correct. We live in a male dominated society where women have been conditioned to accept the fact that its normal for them to be depicted as sex objects and lusted over by the blokes.....so no they dont react in the same way as your typical macho bloke to that type of thing.......on the surface. Just because they're not incredibly vocal about it (ie they dont feel the need to prove how "womanly" they are to other women) doesnt mean they arent interested in looking at blokes in revealing clothes though does it. Women are interested in sex as well ya know.

So really my point is totally valid. I'm simply being open-minded. If its alright for men to oggle semi-naked women (which it is by the way) then women should have the opportunity to oggle semi-naked men (which is also perfectly fine). Whats wrong with that? Its only fair. But oh gosh that means challenging the accepted biased standards of our society! We cant have that can we.

 

If women liked to oggle as much as men, there would be an equal number of male and female strip clubs.

Have you noticed there are strip clubs with women taking off their clothes everywhere, but no male strip clubs at all? That's because they can't make enough money to stay in business.

Yeah and like I said thats because we live in a male dominated society where the men make the decisions and set the standards and the women just put up with it and go along with it. Then after spending years surrounding ourselves with a male created world we condition ourselves with it and say "Well thats how its always been. Thats just how it is and thats how it will always be"......and so the repeating cycle continues.

There are perhaps more strip clubs for men than there are for women (cant say for certain as its not something I've really paid attention to) because we have lived in a male dominated world for thousands of years where mens sexual desires are catered for and womens desires take a back seat. Its got nothing to do with what women would like or dislike though. In fact thats kind of the point. Womens opinion on the matter is never really considered. In fact if you say the words "strip club" to someone they immediately think of women undressing. Thats social brainwashing right there.

The only reason why a strip club for women "might" (I stress the word might) not be as popular as it is for men would be because of the social stigma attached to it all by our male led society. Do you really think women are less capable of enjoying a night out with their friends at a strip club than men? I think they would be more "up for it" than the blokes actually.

lol

I say the focus is all wrong. Let's get some Fabio/Chippendale/banna-hammock wearing warriors out there. Oh, and hairless cats, too. Not enough hairless cats in mmo's. I want my milk to be skim, too. Why is there never enough Skim Milk in mmo's?

As for myself, I'm rather jaded against the typical "Universal Laws of Anime" in mmo's, i.e,

"#34 - Law of Probable Attire

Clothing in anime follows certain predictable guidelines. Female characters wear as little clothing as possible, regardless of whether it is socially or meteorologically appropriate. Any female with an excessive amount of clothing will invariably have her clothes ripped to shreds or torn off somehow. Whenever there is a headwind, a Male characters will invariably wear a long cloak which doesn't hamper movement and billows out dramatically behind him.

First Corollary (Cryo-Adaptability) - All anime characters are resistant to extremely cold temperatures, and do not need to wear heavy or warm clothing in snow.

Second Corollary (Indecent Invulnerability) - Bikinis render the wearer invulnerable to any form of damage.

Thrid Corollary - No sort of clothing, whether it be a leather body suit or full body armor will in no way encumber its wearer."

Granted, the majority of players *may* be male adolescents, (regardless of chronological age), and it amuses me when it's "okay" to have next-to-nothing armor for female characters, but heaven forbid you have an effeminate looking male character. All male characters must be modeled after Thor, or somesuch.

So, if the OP is sarcastic= +1 support

if the OP is "serious", then go imagine your mom in the armor of your choice.

that's my story, and I'm sticking to it., Nyah!

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Ihmotepp

Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Carl132p

The point being made in neons post isn't even valid. Women don't react the same way as men to that type of thing.

 

 

Indeed you're correct. We live in a male dominated society where women have been conditioned to accept the fact that its normal for them to be depicted as sex objects and lusted over by the blokes.....so no they dont react in the same way as your typical macho bloke to that type of thing.......on the surface. Just because they're not incredibly vocal about it (ie they dont feel the need to prove how "womanly" they are to other women) doesnt mean they arent interested in looking at blokes in revealing clothes though does it. Women are interested in sex as well ya know.

So really my point is totally valid. I'm simply being open-minded. If its alright for men to oggle semi-naked women (which it is by the way) then women should have the opportunity to oggle semi-naked men (which is also perfectly fine). Whats wrong with that? Its only fair. But oh gosh that means challenging the accepted biased standards of our society! We cant have that can we.

 

If women liked to oggle as much as men, there would be an equal number of male and female strip clubs.

Have you noticed there are strip clubs with women taking off their clothes everywhere, but no male strip clubs at all? That's because they can't make enough money to stay in business.

 

Yeah and like I said thats because we live in a male dominated society where the men make the decisions and set the standards and the women just put up with it and go along with it. Then after spending years surrounding ourselves with a male created world we condition ourselves with it and say "Well thats how its always been. Thats just how it is and thats how it will always be"......and so the repeating cycle continues.

There are perhaps more strip clubs for men than there are for women (cant say for certain as its not something I've really paid attention to) because we have lived in a male dominated world for thousands of years where mens sexual desires are catered for and womens desires take a back seat. Its got nothing to do with what women would like or dislike though. In fact thats kind of the point. Womens opinion on the matter is never really considered. In fact if you say the words "strip club" to someone they immediately think of women undressing. Thats social brainwashing right there.

The only reason why a strip club for women "might" (I stress the word might) not be as popular as it is for men would be because of the social stigma attached to it all by our male led society. Do you really think women are less capable of enjoying a night out with their friends at a strip club than men? I think they would be more "up for it" than the blokes actually.

LOL...gettin a whole bunch off topic here ain't ya. And a wee bit serious. Perhaps you should take this up in the 'off topic' forums.

This is about GAMES! ENTERTAINMENT! FUN! What it comes down to men like to look at the skimpy dressed women in games. Men tend more to buy a product based on the cover. Men are usually the target audience that gaming companies are after.

The Sears catalogue will have 300 pages dedicated to womens clothes, another 200 for kids and 5 pages for mens clothing. Why is that? Perhaps because clothing departments mostly rely on women for the sales, so they target what women like. Goto a mall, it is obvious that malls are made to target womens tastes. The malls are 90 percent of stores to target women.

Get over yourselves with the whole male dominant society. It's obvious that women and men have different tastes and ways of looking at things. Companies that sell products to either sexes keep that in mind when selling a product.

Studies show that when you track eye movement of men and women that look at magazines with sexy men and women in them, BOTH the men and the women look more at the women than at the men.

The men look at the women because they think they are sexy, the women look at the women to compare, see how they measure up, do they like that dress, etc.

yes, there is no doubt that women like to look at sexy men, but not near as much as men like to look at sexy women.

It's not society, not that women arent' allowed to look at men, or any of that baloney. The two sexes react differently to different stimulus. Imagine that.

The plain fact is, women can have babies and men can't. In other words, the two sexes are not exactly the same, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's silly to argue that women and men are exactly the same.

Originally posted by Lightdog666

I really do believe that most mmorpgs could use more revealing outfits for the females.

I'm glad to see Blades and souls agreed with me on that one, but I believe many more mmorpgs could really learn from lineage 2.

/discuss

 

 

Here ya go fixed ..... happy now ?    ............. " sigh"  ...

More revealing outfits?
 

How about more choice for both genders?

I'm sure there are plenty of admirers of the female form, but what about the admirers of the male form, I'm sure there are plenty of straight women & gay men that would quite enjoy some more options for the male characters to be dressed up in & for those players of female characters then they should be able to cover up if they so choose, variety is the spice of life, if everyone on earth walked around stark-bollock naked the appeal of ogling the human body would be a billion times less interesting for everyone.

Personally I would welcome an MMO that takes the in-game weather conditions into account along with the profession/role of the character.

Nearly-naked female (or male for that matter)  tanks is just bloody ridiculous to me, but there should be a choice, & if I was given the design reigns I could create plenty of armour designs that both appeared to offer the requisite protection & yet still looked very sexy & attractive.

Almost naked, or wearing very skimpy outfits would be the domain of wizards, sorcerors, magicians, necromancers, psionicists etc etc, if the weather is nice that is.

Swimming would be when all would strip down to bathing suits for a dip, or go nude.

You know the drill.

TITS or gtfo