Jesus christ, these discussions are getting old.

World of Warcraft seemed more directly influenced in terms of UI, the general feel of movement, the pace of the combat, moreso from Asheron's Call 2 than Everquest. Warcraft didn't directly mimic or immitate anything from Everquest. Their UI, character advancement, might resemble it, but it wasn't directly copied, and like I said, it bares a closer likeness to Asheron's Call 2.

Now you take Alganon and it looks directly copied from Warcraft. From the controls, to the titles of skills and talents, to the UI, down to literally, the quest progression. No lie. I don't understand the "IT LOOKS LIKE WOW BUT UNDER THE HOOD IT'S DIFFERENT" arguments. When something is so blatantly copied how can you compare someone lifting the general concept and completely revising it in an original sense, which is not what Alganon did?

None of the features that would make Alganon unique are ingame, nor will they be at launch or anytime soon. It's a quest and craft grind, that's all there is to do. There's no other content aside from grinding quests, at all. So when you have such bland gameplay as I just described in terms of content, and the skill titles, the functions of those skills and talents, what makes Alganon any different? The combat mechanics aren't breaking the mold like AOC or Spellborn. 

It's exactly the same thing with a lot less polish. Maybe it isn't a WOW clone. Maybe it's a.. clone of a WOW clone. I get more of the Runes of Magic vibe honestly than WOW, and Runes of Magic is 10x the polished game Alganon currently is. Let's drop the bullshit. Hell, you're forgetting most of the skills don't work, the talents don't exist currently other than the trees, none of the classes are even close to being locked-down in terms of skill progression, when they get those skills, anything. It's a mess.
 

alganon is stil very "not ready" i think.

i hope for alganon.. there will be much more for players ;D

but actually.. (except it shall be p2p) it can be very nice gameplay..

and for the ones who compare the graph witht wow..

wow never was so smooth..

Originally posted by xbot7

wow never was so smooth..

That cracked me up.

I have to agree with the poster above xbot's post, wow did copy others but they didnt just copy one game they took good things from alot of games and then IMPROVED it whereas here alganon takes everything from wow except the study system and does a worst job at it, its made by a less talented team and a way lower budget.

oh.. my post didnt appear ;D

ok what i wanted to say: "english" is of course not my "mother tongue" so sorry if i didnt explain good enough:with "smooth" i dndt talk about the gameplay of wow .. that IS smooth as hell of course.. i was talking about character animation and tree animation whatever :D (see my post here: http://www.morpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3174273/thread/257045#3174273 )

 thank you!

Originally posted by xbot7

oh.. my post didnt appear ;D

 

ok what i wanted to say: "english" is of course not my "mother tongue" so sorry if i didnt explain good enough:with "smooth" i dndt talk about the gameplay of wow .. that IS smooth as hell of course.. i was talking about character animation and tree animation whatever :D (see my post here: http://www.morpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3174273/thread/257045#3174273 )

 

 thank you!

Okay, except the animation in Alganon isn't smooth. At all. Everything in Alganon is jerky and stuttery and half the time when you enter into combat with something, you've gotten off 2 or 3 attacks before it even animates being in combat with you, then most of the time is suddenly jumps behind you. I'm working on a system that can play LOTRO at ultra-high, so not being able to play a game that basically has sprite-level toons in it is a fault of the game.

Well I have just had the opportunity to play this game.

Everything about it is warcraft like unfortunately.

• The Login screen
• Character Creation screen is very similar
• The UI is a total rip off
  
  • The Action Book is the same as the Skill in warcraft
  • Vendor windows, quest givers etc are the exact same
  • Profession window..
  • Talents..
  • Reputation and Skill window..
  • The whole default layout basically, system menu, hotbar, portraits, map and chat windows

My Other half actually came in and thought I started playing Warcraft again. I really can't believe how similar this game is to Warcraft.

I think they are meant to be releasing the game at the end of the month? and its currently on the final wave of beta testing, this game IMHO needs a lot more time in beta. The game crashed a lot for me, jumping looked horrible as you would float the just plop to the ground and jumping up a slope made you go through the terrain , chars getting stuck in the terrain at the starting area, music would get stuck and make a awful sound to name a few things I noticed. Even the damn menu when pressing escape is the same!

This is no doubt a "WoW Clone" in fact its the worst clone I have personally seen.

Really is a shame.

 I want to know for people claiming this isn't exactly like WoW. How do you explain the talent trees resembling WoW and also the abilities within each class as well? Yes I barely played the game but for a specific reason is that my Ranger's abilities are already resembling a hunter's in WoW, Toxin = Stings almost word for word beyond the name of the ability and Power Shot can easily equate to Arcane Shot without the magic involved -_-

The only unique thing I see so far is the offline progression, which I like because I'm a big fan of EVE but beyond that, I really don't have a real reason to play it since it resembles WoW in too many ways. If I were to play it, I would at least like to know there's light at the end of the tunnel. What exactly are the features that are making this game unique that I'm missing? Apparently I can't find anything and no, lack of classes and races do not count as a feature. Lack of options is definitely not a feature of any MMORPG.

Originally posted by charlespayne

I know companies are trying to compete against wow but this game has gone the wrong way by actully looking like wow in every way even the hud is from wow.

What a bunch of copy cat's, Lincoln copied the Cadillac speedometer oh how evil they are!  Honestly guys do you not feel like you are getting ill from thinking/typing "another wow clone" I know I do when I read it.  Why is that mmo's are the only genre I can think of where inclusive features are considered a bad thing?  Honestly lately it's like the more you allow your players to do the more some are against it.  I never played this game but I can say before WOW I played games thatused systems very similar to them, I can say when I played wow from launch til a bit after TBC nothing they included in that game was what I'd call an original idea it had all been incorporated in other games before both online and offline. 

Originally posted by jaxsundane

Originally posted by charlespayne

I know companies are trying to compete against wow but this game has gone the wrong way by actully looking like wow in every way even the hud is from wow.

 

What a bunch of copy cat's, Lincoln copied the Cadillac speedometer oh how evil they are!  Honestly guys do you not feel like you are getting ill from thinking/typing "another wow clone" I know I do when I read it.  Why is that mmo's are the only genre I can think of where inclusive features are considered a bad thing?  Honestly lately it's like the more you allow your players to do the more some are against it.  I never played this game but I can say before WOW I played games thatused systems very similar to them, I can say when I played wow from launch til a bit after TBC nothing they included in that game was what I'd call an original idea it had all been incorporated in other games before both online and offline. 

See, this is the same BS arguement the Alganon forumites spout.

This is NOT about the "inclusive features" like a basic UI (which WoW stole from AC anyway)

This is about a game which is NOT WoW having nearly the same graphics, environments, icons, powers, class setups, trait trees, etc. Every feature of a game does not have to be original - hell, I have a list a mile long that I'd love for someone to steal from three or four other games and combine into one dream game - but the game is a COPY of WoW.

If you haven't even tried it, you have no idea.

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Originally posted by Kyleran

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Originally posted by dougmysticey

I can't believe it. Another "WoW Clone" Thread. I guess WOW created the internet too. I guess any fantasy themed RPG style MMO with quests is a WOW clone. EQ and M59 must have looked into the future to clone themselves after WOW since they had those elements before WOW existed.
There is not such thing as a WOW clone.

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Just because you don't understand what makes a game a WOW clone vs something more akin to EQ doesn't mean they don't exist.
One such characteristic would be to copy the HUD, but its not the only or even main factor. (but that's a discussion for another thread)
Since I've not played Alganon I can't say whether its a WOW clone or not, seems the verdict is still out between those playing it.
 
 

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ummm....hello let me remind you that on THIS site appearently anything and everything is basically a WoW clone according to most posters here. Plus i had no clue that you needed some kind of super secret jedi force skill that obviously you have that lets you know what game is a "WoW Clone" hell you should be a super hero to rid the MMO world of these evil things lol.

Well here is a screen shot I came across comparing *some* UI elements via warcraft. There really is alot more, the talent trees and the skills is the major one, they are basically like for like.

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graphically looking at screenshots I'd swear this game is Wow :P  Pretty amazing looking replica.  I just got in the beta and I'm waiting for the install which seems to be taking a very long time on the last file... not a good sign.

Originally posted by bawjaw

Well here is a screen shot I came across comparing *some* UI elements via warcraft.

I can't believe you skipped the talent window and skills window, they're the best of the lot!