Originally posted by Fkinglinux

I've been playing MMO's back since UO and

 

 every single poster on MMORPG.COM says that... it translates to "Wow was my first MMO"

Have not really seen many of the usual bots with names that look like the typical ones, but i have seen a few player run bots in Eltnan desert. Also look on the broker to find out who is a player run bot as they are the ones with the most items to sell from botting.

So far my server i have not had any major problems with botters ruining my play time (Lumiel).

Can't speak for the other servers but so far mine has not been over run yet.

i know on my server certain areas are over run with them, Beluslan being the main one. last night i counted 13 just around the fort there, in the area close enough to the fort you can still fly in. a couple looked like they was player bots for lazy tards. saw a cleric named sreon stuck in this deep hole in the back for like an hour running around in circles down there. and deep i mean there is a huge pit back there, and yes the tard could have just flown out but ya know.

there was about 6 of them with the name Wagner in thier name, Wagnerctrl,Wagnerend,Wagnerenter,Wagnerhome ect ect ect. Octaviushero,Waldencup,Waldenpgup,Octavius(something), bunch in the same guild called "Koum" wordl,cookl,wookool,cool(something) and those are just the ones i can think of off the top of my head.

me and 3 of my guildies was trying to quest and the mobs we needed was just decimated, took us forever to do 2 quests. eventually we gave up and just started training them, it was way more fun than fighting over mobs with them..lol unequipped my weapon , wait till i saw one pull a mob, run up punch another one run and stand next to the bot. being they're 99% Glads they aoe alot, so they'd aoe hitting the second mob.strangely satisfying killing bots over and over..lol

that said, i cancelled my Aion account, its open till the 24th. staying cancelled till i see them make an effort in the bot department, that waldencup guy i have reported everyday for 2 weeks now and he's still going.I WANT them to do something about the bots i love the game but i won't sub to a game where its this bad.and the fact you can onoly report 9 an hour bothers me, and the fact you can't send problem reports from 10pm-7am really bothers me, and i mean it won't even let you send one for when they get online, cant AT ALL.

this moring i saw most of the bots log out at 6:30 am, coinsidence? no, being that you can report a player a million times they won't do anything if they don't witness it, and no gms from 10pm-7am gives bots free reign as long as they stick to those hours. who knows maybe a GM (even tho there is none before 7am) banned all those bots, i plan on checking tonite, i wanna see if the times you see the bots there are teh same hours there is no customer service.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Sacfed

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Sacfed

So a bot is actually preventing you from playing the game?  How is it that you are outsmarted by a script of commands so easily. There are creative ways to kill the bots, when I find a bot I will find a way to kill it.

 

It's because of the way kill rights work in this game and because usually there are a number of these bots in one area and by the time you get there all of the mobs needed for the quests are killed by the bots.

 

There is no excuse for allowing bots in a game I get that! But there is no excuse for you not to be smarter then a 30 line script.

You don't seem to understand the bigger picture here; which seems to be the case with a lot of people dismissing the issue or blaming it on other things.

It's not merely a "30 line script" - and to think that the botting apps/scripts are *that* simple *really* underscores how little you understand the scope of the issue. I suggest you do a little more research before speaking out like that. There are entire applications created and then purchased/used by people to bot and such.

That said... even going with your example... even if it were only a 30 line script... it would be a 30 line script executed repeatedly, many, *many* times faster than a human being could, with absolute precision, perfect targeting, perfect direction and perfectly timed execution of skills, etc... All of that being executed simultaneously by several bot-controlled characters in a given spot. A typical script can read the game's memory and react to mobs spawning before a player even sees them appear on screen.

A live player cannot be as fast, precise or efficient as a well scripted bot.... ever.. nevermind a group of them.

You don't seem to understand that I do understand there is a problem with Bots.  What I did say is that if you are letting a 30 line script out smart you, that you are M&S. 

I saw my first bots this weekend "Completely" camping an area in Morheim. Took about 5 minutes to take over an area long enough to grind an entire level in about 2 hours (Level 23-24)

I don't think that is a problem 5 minutes?? It takes longer for me to sort through all my drops then to fix stupid bots.

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Originally posted by rafaelrehn
 every single poster on MMORPG.COM says that... it translates to "Wow was my first MMO"

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Gods I hope not, because it sure as hell wasn't mine.

Originally posted by Sacfed

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Sacfed

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Sacfed

So a bot is actually preventing you from playing the game?  How is it that you are outsmarted by a script of commands so easily. There are creative ways to kill the bots, when I find a bot I will find a way to kill it.

 

It's because of the way kill rights work in this game and because usually there are a number of these bots in one area and by the time you get there all of the mobs needed for the quests are killed by the bots.

 

There is no excuse for allowing bots in a game I get that! But there is no excuse for you not to be smarter then a 30 line script.

You don't seem to understand the bigger picture here; which seems to be the case with a lot of people dismissing the issue or blaming it on other things.

It's not merely a "30 line script" - and to think that the botting apps/scripts are *that* simple *really* underscores how little you understand the scope of the issue. I suggest you do a little more research before speaking out like that. There are entire applications created and then purchased/used by people to bot and such.

That said... even going with your example... even if it were only a 30 line script... it would be a 30 line script executed repeatedly, many, *many* times faster than a human being could, with absolute precision, perfect targeting, perfect direction and perfectly timed execution of skills, etc... All of that being executed simultaneously by several bot-controlled characters in a given spot. A typical script can read the game's memory and react to mobs spawning before a player even sees them appear on screen.

A live player cannot be as fast, precise or efficient as a well scripted bot.... ever.. nevermind a group of them.

 

You don't seem to understand that I do understand there is a problem with Bots.  What I did say is that if you are letting a 30 line script out smart you, that you are M&S. 

Well, first, I didn't say you didn't understand there *is* a problem... I explained how you, demonstrably, don't fully appreciate the *scope* of the problem.  And this last response from you only further demonstrates that.

I gave an explanation of how the problem isn't as simple as you characterize it - which you conveniently ignored, and  continued on repeating your talking points.

The point remains... if you think botting/RMT happens on the back of tiny scripts, then you do not realize the scope of the issue or just how involved a typical botting/RMT setup is. You're demonstrating your ignorance of the situation more clearly than you probably realize. But hey, if you're perfectly happy to remain willfully ignorant, and go on thinking that these companies are collecting and selling 10s of millions of in-game currency with "30 line scripts".... well... more power to ya, I guess.

I saw my first bots this weekend "Completely" camping an area in Morheim. Took about 5 minutes to take over an area long enough to grind an entire level in about 2 hours (Level 23-24)

I don't think that is a problem 5 minutes?? It takes longer for me to sort through all my drops then to fix stupid bots.

And you believe that one incident that you experienced is representative of the issue as a whole? Really?

Again... willful ignorance.



Just one request.... If you're going to completely ignore what I say, and continue on repeating your talking points... next time, don't bother responding to me, okay? Don't waste my time.

I've seen my friends used Aion bots at some internet caffe in Taiwan.

This bots pretty much plays just like real people.  It's hard to even distinguish the bots from real people.

It's not some cheap 30 line script.

Originally posted by Ephimero

The best mobs are always aggro in this game, bots should never prevent you from getting the best spots cause they're not there.

Not true at all.  Last night we ran into tons of bots in aggro mob areas (Eltnen).  One I was watching was an assassin who was hitting mobs several meters away.  Bots do affect gameplay when they are consuming a good deal of the mobs available before you can even get to them.  And on Nezekan it is getting much worse.  There is a point of saturation that will be reached where people will just leave the game. 

welcome to NCSOFT lol

Its not bots, but sheesh some of the spammer screens alone would make me not want to play this now.

http://www.mmorpg.com/photo/d191d308-eb73-4226-a01f-b080d0dff0a7

Spammers are already addressed with the latest patch that introduced the spam filter. My low level alt that will potentially become my main has noone blocked.

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Sacfed

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Sacfed

Originally posted by heartless

Originally posted by Sacfed

So a bot is actually preventing you from playing the game?  How is it that you are outsmarted by a script of commands so easily. There are creative ways to kill the bots, when I find a bot I will find a way to kill it.

 

It's because of the way kill rights work in this game and because usually there are a number of these bots in one area and by the time you get there all of the mobs needed for the quests are killed by the bots.

 

There is no excuse for allowing bots in a game I get that! But there is no excuse for you not to be smarter then a 30 line script.

You don't seem to understand the bigger picture here; which seems to be the case with a lot of people dismissing the issue or blaming it on other things.

It's not merely a "30 line script" - and to think that the botting apps/scripts are *that* simple *really* underscores how little you understand the scope of the issue. I suggest you do a little more research before speaking out like that. There are entire applications created and then purchased/used by people to bot and such.

That said... even going with your example... even if it were only a 30 line script... it would be a 30 line script executed repeatedly, many, *many* times faster than a human being could, with absolute precision, perfect targeting, perfect direction and perfectly timed execution of skills, etc... All of that being executed simultaneously by several bot-controlled characters in a given spot. A typical script can read the game's memory and react to mobs spawning before a player even sees them appear on screen.

A live player cannot be as fast, precise or efficient as a well scripted bot.... ever.. nevermind a group of them.

 

You don't seem to understand that I do understand there is a problem with Bots.  What I did say is that if you are letting a 30 line script out smart you, that you are M&S. 

Well, first, I didn't say you didn't understand there *is* a problem... I explained how you, demonstrably, don't fully appreciate the *scope* of the problem.  And this last response from you only further demonstrates that.

I don't appreciate the scope of the problem that you percieve maybe true, but only because you assume everyone feels the same as you, which obviously is not the case. I think they should work on fixing the bot issue, however I think you are just whining about not being smart enough to beat out a 30 line script program.

I gave an explanation of how the problem isn't as simple as you characterize it - which you conveniently ignored, and  continued on repeating your talking points. 

I dont care how many lines of script a program uses the premise is the same, you are M&S for not being able work around it.  I assume the fact that you are complaining about bots is that you are planning on continuing to play, which means your having fun. If your not having fun don't play. 

The point remains... if you think botting/RMT happens on the back of tiny scripts, then you do not realize the scope of the issue or just how involved a typical botting/RMT setup is. You're demonstrating your ignorance of the situation more clearly than you probably realize. But hey, if you're perfectly happy to remain willfully ignorant, and go on thinking that these companies are collecting and selling 10s of millions of in-game currency with "30 line scripts".... well... more power to ya, I guess.

I don't care how many lines it uses, how complex the crime ring is, who benefits, who dosen't. I play games to have fun. If I'm having fun I keep playing, if I don't have fun I stop.

I saw my first bots this weekend "Completely" camping an area in Morheim. Took about 5 minutes to take over an area long enough to grind an entire level in about 2 hours (Level 23-24)

I don't think that is a problem 5 minutes?? It takes longer for me to sort through all my drops then to fix stupid bots.

And you believe that one incident that you experienced is representative of the issue as a whole? Really?

Again... willful ignorance.

No, I don't think its representive of the whole issue, I was attempting to empathize with people who don't like botters by giving an example of a like experience. Which I was still able to counter in less then the time it took to sort my bag.



Just one request.... If you're going to completely ignore what I say, and continue on repeating your talking points... next time, don't bother responding to me, okay? Don't waste my time.

How am I wasting your time. Oh wait you are forced to play a game you don't like, and reply to forums you don't want to read.  You need a better union.  Hopefully I ignored every point you were trying to make, this is just fun now.

 

 

Originally posted by Fkinglinux

Let me first state that I loved this game and beta, and enjoy every aspect of what it could be. But having a 35 cleric, realizing that it wasn't for me and now a 31 ranger.

The amount of bots have become so ridiculous that it is becoming very difficult for legit players to even level up or complete quests. The game world in AION already suffers from being a bit small in comparison to most games, factor that in with the overabundance of bots that take up more than their fair share of the virtual real-estate, and you have a recipe for disaster.

I've been playing MMO's back since UO and have never seen a game with such a high bot:player ratio as AION. It's quite obvious to almost every legit player that the issue has skyrocketed out of hand, and is beyond past the point where it should have been adressed. I play on the Siel/Asmodian server and on my 31 ranger am having severe difficulty even finding mobs to grind because EVERY spot is being camped 24/7 by bots.

I find this very disappointing because I enjoy the game very much, and don't even mind that it's a tad grindy. However, I probably woln't be resubbing because the bots have become so overpopulated that the game borders on being unplayable.

it's a typical korean grind game what'd you expect?

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Originally posted by Sacfed
So a bot is actually preventing you from playing the game?  How is it that you are outsmarted by a script of commands so easily. There are creative ways to kill the bots, when I find a bot I will find a way to kill it.

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My wife and I KS them. It's fun they get no loot and tiny amounts of xp for what they are killing. If we had more time we'd KS them for hours, but we want to finish our quests and level. :)

Again with this bot and gold farmer stuff. Do u people concentrate on drug dealers this much also? I hope so becasue it takes tax money to pay for law enforcement. I guess that dosent matter tho since it dosent affect u personally right?and its real life and u cant just complain them away.

Originally posted by abyss610

i know on my server certain areas are over run with them, Beluslan being the main one. last night i counted 13 just around the fort there, in the area close enough to the fort you can still fly in. a couple looked like they was player bots for lazy tards. saw a cleric named sreon stuck in this deep hole in the back for like an hour running around in circles down there. and deep i mean there is a huge pit back there, and yes the tard could have just flown out but ya know.

Lol, I love that hole.  I saw a bot named Pirate on Lumiel stuck down in that hole for the four hours I was grinding around Belusian Ice fortress.  He just ran back and forth at the bottom of the pit.  Wouldn't take a brain surgeon to figure out he was botting, but I really don't think NcSoft cares.

For some reason my thread on botting was closed...I don't understand why this one hasn't been yet and has continued for a couple of days.  That being said...I do not appreciate being censored about a topic that is obviously affecting people who are playing this game. 

I do bot and I choose to bot because like I said before I don't have time to level from 1 - 50 on my own time without it taking a year or more to reach the final level of 50.  I know I know...excuses excuses and that's all most of you will think they are.  I've heard the replies of if your not having fun leveling then you shouldn't be playing.  Here is my response to that nonsensical retort...I do enjoy playing and I enjoy exploring, but when it takes me 3-5 hours of "exploring" and "having fun grinding the same mobs for hours on end" then it becomes a problem that I am willing to let another program do. 

I enjoy the game very much and when I'm not busy with the other various life tasks that many of us have then I am playing the game by hand.  I don't just bot on mindlessly and never play the game by hand but when I have time I do enjoy it. 

However, when I spend the 3 to 5 hours grinding out one level on similar or the same mobs then thats where the fun stops.  I see the potential for a lot of fun in the 45+ area of the game and I wouldn't mind doing all of that by hand but when its taking 3-5 hours for levels 25+ per level...I just don't have that kind of time on my hands. 

Say what you will, flame me till your little fingers burn up from typing...I don't care what you think but I am giving you the perspective of someone who is in college full time and trying to maintain a 3.0 + GPA to get a decent paying job. 

Also, I do not like or agree with the asian companies that bot characters with names such as "fdgas."  Those types who bot 100% of the time and do it for a real life profit are doing it for the wrong reasons.  Just my opinion of course.  I never report botters who appear to have normal names and are not a part of the asians who want to make money off of the regular players.  I do however report botters that appear to be a part of those companies and will continue to report them and hope they get banned. 

And we will keep on report people like you so that they get banned.

If you don't have time to play go find some other game say a F2P or single player maybe your just wasting money and promoting illegal programs to do stuff for you instead of doing it yourself.

Originally posted by thafireball

For some reason my thread on botting was closed...I don't understand why this one hasn't been yet and has continued for a couple of days.  That being said...I do not appreciate being censored about a topic that is obviously affecting people who are playing this game. 

 

I do bot and I choose to bot because like I said before I don't have time to level from 1 - 50 on my own time without it taking a year or more to reach the final level of 50.  I know I know...excuses excuses and that's all most of you will think they are.  I've heard the replies of if your not having fun leveling then you shouldn't be playing.  Here is my response to that nonsensical retort...I do enjoy playing and I enjoy exploring, but when it takes me 3-5 hours of "exploring" and "having fun grinding the same mobs for hours on end" then it becomes a problem that I am willing to let another program do. 

I enjoy the game very much and when I'm not busy with the other various life tasks that many of us have then I am playing the game by hand.  I don't just bot on mindlessly and never play the game by hand but when I have time I do enjoy it. 

However, when I spend the 3 to 5 hours grinding out one level on similar or the same mobs then thats where the fun stops.  I see the potential for a lot of fun in the 45+ area of the game and I wouldn't mind doing all of that by hand but when its taking 3-5 hours for levels 25+ per level...I just don't have that kind of time on my hands. 

Say what you will, flame me till your little fingers burn up from typing...I don't care what you think but I am giving you the perspective of someone who is in college full time and trying to maintain a 3.0 + GPA to get a decent paying job. 

Also, I do not like or agree with the asian companies that bot characters with names such as "fdgas."  Those types who bot 100% of the time and do it for a real life profit are doing it for the wrong reasons.  Just my opinion of course.  I never report botters who appear to have normal names and are not a part of the asians who want to make money off of the regular players.  I do however report botters that appear to be a part of those companies and will continue to report them and hope they get banned. 

   ah your parents did well, dont do the work, just take credit for it