Originally posted by scamtropia

I played this casino for 9 months, at a total cost of $9800 USD.

Not only is it a money pit/pyramid scheme, but it's akin to gambling and you develop symptoms synonamous with gambling addiction.

 

STAY AWAY FROM THIS GAME OR YOU WILL REGRET IT FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!

 

 

ps: Mercury only earns because he scammed his way to the top and everyone talking about "so-and-so got a $1.5K Ambu etc.. FORGET TO MENTION THE $10K IT COST YOU BEFORE YOU GOT THAT ONE LOOT!"

that's unfortunate.. i spent over 3 years in that game and spent less than 700$ which is the money i use for my entertainment not my bills.

Less decay= More profit chance.. Play wisely people like Mercury spend less peds to kill a mob than you

Ohh and it's always easy to blame the game or MA than yourself :P

it's like blaming the Math exam you didn't pass

Don't fall for the bullshit - just go read the EU forum, see for yourself. A year ago, 70% of the community were happy and telling people "just play eco you can't lose!"... "stop whining, it's fair, you get 90% back!"... go there now, EVERYONE including ubers with the best gear and thousands of spreadsheets detailing their income/expenditure are losing TONNES of money, constantly. The only ones who aren't, are resellers and freeloaders who never deposited anyway (sweaters) or deposited very little - $700 would only buy me only 3 days ammo and Decay with HL14+A106 and armor (tiger, vigi, ghost, grem etc)+plates. And it's normal to get 50-70% returns (that's potentially 350$ loss in 3 days... ON AN MMO!).

THIS IS A SCAM!

Why even risk being scammed by this game? It's not even fun, the entire game is based on two things - pressing left mouse button and increasing your bet-size (or in normal MMO's it's known as skilling).

Your money is better spent elsewhere, you don't have to believe me, but think to yourself "is it worth the risk, if he's right?" NO ITS NOT AND YES I AM.

MOST EXPENSIVE BUG-FILLED HALF-COMPLETE NO-CONTENT GAME MADE BY AMATEURS (not even game devs, they're businessmen) EVER!!!!!!!

ps: by the wording of your post (guy above me) you say "I playED for 3 years" which leads me to believe you don't play anymore. Therefore you should know the "dynamic" nature of EU and how things can COMPLETELY change, in one update.

VU10 update was that update. SGA update was another. Things aren't like they were even 6 months ago.

It's always been a casino, but the odds switched up. The house has always won, yeah, but now the minimum mandatory payout on the EU slotmachine has dropped from 90% to a variable between 30-70% and guess what is the only way to improve that? SPEND MORE MONEY ON MORE OVERLY PRICED ITEMS!

Where do you think the money comes from to inflate the market that much? THAT'S RIGHT, THE POCKETS OF THE PLAYERS! For someone to loot a $1000 loot, that $1000 HAD TO BE LOST BY OTHER PLAYERS FIRST.

MA doesn't pay your loot, the players do - your loot comes from the losses and deposits of other players AFTER Mindark takes a cut by way of equipment decay.
You might loot $1000, sure, but you'll more likely LOSE $1000.

Don't even get me started on how impossible it is to sell out of the game... go check the trade forum, you'll see how many are trying, and in doing so, they're realising that their avatars aren't ANYWHERE NEAR WORTH WHAT THEY WERE EVEN A MONTH AGO.

The ship is sinking - why board a sinking ship?

Originally posted by scamtropia

Don't fall for the bullshit - just go read the EU forum, see for yourself. A year ago, 70% of the community were happy and telling people "just play eco you can't lose!"... "stop whining, it's fair, you get 90% back!"... go there now, EVERYONE including ubers with the best gear and thousands of spreadsheets detailing their income/expenditure are losing TONNES of money, constantly. The only ones who aren't, are resellers and freeloaders who never deposited anyway (sweaters) or deposited very little - $700 would only buy me only 3 days ammo and Decay with HL14+A106 and armor (tiger, vigi, ghost, grem etc)+plates. And it's normal to get 50-70% returns (that's potentially 350$ loss in 3 days... ON AN MMO!).

THIS IS A SCAM!

Why even risk being scammed by this game? It's not even fun, the entire game is based on two things - pressing left mouse button and increasing your bet-size (or in normal MMO's it's known as skilling).

 

Your money is better spent elsewhere, you don't have to believe me, but think to yourself "is it worth the risk, if he's right?" NO ITS NOT AND YES I AM.

 

MOST EXPENSIVE BUG-FILLED HALF-COMPLETE NO-CONTENT GAME MADE BY AMATEURS (not even game devs, they're businessmen) EVER!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

ps: by the wording of your post (guy above me) you say "I playED for 3 years" which leads me to believe you don't play anymore. Therefore you should know the "dynamic" nature of EU and how things can COMPLETELY change, in one update.

VU10 update was that update. SGA update was another. Things aren't like they were even 6 months ago.

It's always been a casino, but the odds switched up. The house has always won, yeah, but now the minimum mandatory payout on the EU slotmachine has dropped from 90% to a variable between 30-70% and guess what is the only way to improve that? SPEND MORE MONEY ON MORE OVERLY PRICED ITEMS!

Where do you think the money comes from to inflate the market that much? THAT'S RIGHT, THE POCKETS OF THE PLAYERS! For someone to loot a $1000 loot, that $1000 HAD TO BE LOST BY OTHER PLAYERS FIRST.

MA doesn't pay your loot, the players do.

If you don't see any fun in this game.. why the fuck were you still playing it?

Yehh 1 year ago before the huge updates..

I know 2 guys that doesn't have to depo anymore.. their secret? They just play eco and don't hunt Mobs that are too big for them. When people say ''play Eco'' you don't buy an overpriced weapon like an HL14 and hunt a big mob that rarely miss you and use an armor+plates. Because sir the decay will be huge unlike your pedcard

And i still play EU.. this month i made a depo of 300 peds.. weird it lasted 2 weeks even if i played over 20 hours each week.

''Where do you think the money comes from..''

No shit?! all these years i was wondering how MA was making money even after all the money they gave!

''Your money is better spent elsewhere, you don't have to believe me, but think to yourself "is it worth the risk, if he's right?" NO ITS NOT AND YES I AM.''

now that's funny why would i take an advice from someone who lost over 9000$ in 9 months...

THIS GUY ABOVE ME - WHEN HE SAYS "Don't play above your level" "don't play with armor and plates" ... what he's really saying is don't have fun.

If you don't need armor to hunt a mob, you're going to be bored out of your mind! It's worse grind than any other game EVER!

And young nublet, I never play above my level. I _could_ solo Longtooth, Eomon, Falx etc etc and THAT would be above my level, but I don't. I play on easy mobs (Fresco, Trox, Letomie, Cersumon, Scips)... these mobs are PISS easy to me. Still mass loss (even with the markup on the items they drop) which is why I had to downgrade to naked hunting noob mobs like bots and molisk, to TRY and counter with nearly no decay and low markup (circa 108%) going in and higher MU (circa 120% on drones 550% on molisk) coming out. Guess what? LOSS!

The way he talks shows me he knows nothing about EU anyway! HL14 overpriced?! I LOOT MY OWN YOU FUCKEN NOOB! Hahahhaha

I had nearly 300k skill this guy knows NOTHING about EU other than the catch phrases like "eco". All eco is is basic math and there are webpages with stats to help you figure it out. EVEN RUNNING AROUND WITH P4+a103 and no armor on small bots WITH NO ARMOR OR PLATES AND NO FAP is still a loss EVEN WITH THE MARKUP OF GAZZURDITE

DONT listen to this guy, he's a complete noob, he contradicts himself ("the game doesn't cost heaps!" then next post "$30 lasted me 2 weeks!") rofl 2 weeks of click click click click (there's no skill in EU).... he's probably just another fanboy with 20 aliases (or mercury).

Just to show how noob he is, I checked his tracker (a website that captures hwo many "jackpots" you hit in the casino).... HE DOESNT HAVE ANY STATS! hahahah complete noob... COMPLETE noob. Nddesh has no tracker stats and the only "Filth" there has a total of 500ped globals BAHAHAHAAH.

Unless he's filthy Mcnasty - in which case he's lying through his teeth to you, because Filthy depo's HEAPS.

Now just wait for his "globals aren't everything" comment - that's what noobs say... if you don't have globals, you're either a noob or a hairdresser.

What he's saying is - play in an incredibly boring manner and you won't lose more than $30 a fortnight.... ARENT GAMES MEANT TO BE FUN!? Fucken moron.

CAPS is cruisecontrol for cool....

scamtropia... Would you be so kind and stop yelling and going on like a small child. It is not all that dignified.

I and many like me deposit no more than we would for any other MMO and then play smart. Me i have mostly "lost" money as my depos usualy are up by the time the next is about to go in but then again i ain't making money of WoW either so for me that is OK.

To new players... Don't look at this as a way to make quick bucks but rather a regular MMO with a monthly fee and learn to play that way. And don't bother with angry people like Scammy 'cause they are the kinda people who buys a lotteryticket and then pisses about how they did not win and canät buy a soda.

Originally posted by scamtropia

THIS GUY ABOVE ME - WHEN HE SAYS "Don't play above your level" "don't play with armor and plates" ... what he's really saying is don't have fun.

If you don't need armor to hunt a mob, you're going to be bored out of your mind! It's worse grind than any other game EVER!

The way he talks shows me he knows nothing about EU anyway! HL14 overpriced?! I LOOT MY OWN YOU FUCKEN NOOB! Hahahhaha

I had nearly 300k skill this guy knows NOTHING about EU other than the catch phrases like "eco". All eco is is basic math and there are webpages with stats to help you figure it out. EVEN RUNNING AROUND WITH P4+a103 and no armor on small bots WITH NO ARMOR OR PLATES AND NO FAP is still a loss EVEN WITH THE MARKUP OF GAZZURDITE

DONT listen to this guy, he's a complete noob, he contradicts himself ("the game doesn't cost heaps!" then next post "$30 lasted me 2 weeks!") rofl 2 weeks of click click click click (there's no skill in EU).... he's probably just another fanboy with 20 aliases (or mercury).

 

 

Just to show how noob he is, I checked his tracker (a website that captures hwo many "jackpots" you hit in the casino).... HE DOESNT HAVE ANY STATS! hahahah complete noob... COMPLETE noob. Nddesh has no tracker stats and the only "Filth" there has a total of 500ped globals BAHAHAHAAH.

Unless he's filthy Mcnasty - in which case he's lying through his teeth to you, because Filthy depo's HEAPS.

 

Now just wait for his "globals aren't everything" comment - that's what noobs say... if you don't have globals, you're either a noob or a hairdresser.

Well, would be better for you to sell the HL14 you loot and earn some money on the markup and hunt with a weapon with lesser markup, yes?

Originally posted by Airboy

Originally posted by scamtropia

THIS GUY ABOVE ME - WHEN HE SAYS "Don't play above your level" "don't play with armor and plates" ... what he's really saying is don't have fun.

If you don't need armor to hunt a mob, you're going to be bored out of your mind! It's worse grind than any other game EVER!

The way he talks shows me he knows nothing about EU anyway! HL14 overpriced?! I LOOT MY OWN YOU FUCKEN NOOB! Hahahhaha

I had nearly 300k skill this guy knows NOTHING about EU other than the catch phrases like "eco". All eco is is basic math and there are webpages with stats to help you figure it out. EVEN RUNNING AROUND WITH P4+a103 and no armor on small bots WITH NO ARMOR OR PLATES AND NO FAP is still a loss EVEN WITH THE MARKUP OF GAZZURDITE

DONT listen to this guy, he's a complete noob, he contradicts himself ("the game doesn't cost heaps!" then next post "$30 lasted me 2 weeks!") rofl 2 weeks of click click click click (there's no skill in EU).... he's probably just another fanboy with 20 aliases (or mercury).

 

 

Just to show how noob he is, I checked his tracker (a website that captures hwo many "jackpots" you hit in the casino).... HE DOESNT HAVE ANY STATS! hahahah complete noob... COMPLETE noob. Nddesh has no tracker stats and the only "Filth" there has a total of 500ped globals BAHAHAHAAH.

Unless he's filthy Mcnasty - in which case he's lying through his teeth to you, because Filthy depo's HEAPS.

 

Now just wait for his "globals aren't everything" comment - that's what noobs say... if you don't have globals, you're either a noob or a hairdresser.

 

Well, would be better for you to sell the HL14 you loot and earn some money on the markup and hunt with a weapon with lesser markup, yes?

HL14 is one weapon. If I loot 4 of them on a fresco hunt ofcourse I'm going to sell them. I would only use them on mobs that they were necessary for. In all honesty the most common weapons I used were H400+A105 and HL8+A106.

Regardless,  selling an HL14 for the markup won't save you if you're down 200PED on a single hunt in TT value... HL14 markup isn't 200PED...

By the way, mr.man who said don't type in caps, who are you to DICTATE HOW TO TYPE ON THE INTERNET? This isn't a fucken language school, it's a game forum, take your literary advice and sell it for a few PED... then go lose them in the click casino that is EU.

Moral of the story? EU IS A CASINO - whether typed in caps, or spelt out in poker chips. And I will forewarn anyone who mentions the names Mindark, FPC, Calypso or Entropia.

Originally posted by scamtropia

Don't fall for the bullshit - just go read the EU forum, see for yourself. A year ago, 70% of the community were happy and telling people "just play eco you can't lose!"... "stop whining, it's fair, you get 90% back!"... go there now, EVERYONE including ubers with the best gear and thousands of spreadsheets detailing their income/expenditure are losing TONNES of money, constantly. The only ones who aren't, are resellers and freeloaders who never deposited anyway (sweaters) or deposited very little - $700 would only buy me only 3 days ammo and Decay with HL14+A106 and armor (tiger, vigi, ghost, grem etc)+plates. And it's normal to get 50-70% returns (that's potentially 350$ loss in 3 days... ON AN MMO!).

THIS IS A SCAM!

Why even risk being scammed by this game? It's not even fun, the entire game is based on two things - pressing left mouse button and increasing your bet-size (or in normal MMO's it's known as skilling).

 

I agree. This game is a severe money sink. You cannot progress your characters development on a moderate basis with depositing only $15.00 in one month. You cannot experience everything in the game(places, professions, etc.) with only 150 ped, you will burn through it very quickly. If you want to play smart it will take years to get any decent progression. I do stop by the EU forum now and then and people are furious. Even the long time players have stopped flaming people and a few are agreeing there is something out of balance with the "game". People are saying the loot pool is from players depositing so if this is true this is the strangest economic simulation I've ever seen. You can explore the game for free and sweat but if you are going to do anything else in the game you will have to deposit. It's like the facebook farmville RMT item shop addiction, you will most likely not be getting any money back you put into your character. It's just a money sink.

EU is a casino where the house always wins.

Only way to not lose your credit rating is to...

a: be bored out of your mind doing noob shit

b: scam your way to the top like Mercury

c: be a reseller (you're better just not playing and getting another job, it pays better)

OR

d: have started 6 years ago

Entropia is a scam, end of story. Argue as much as you want, my reply from this point on will be only one sentence:

"Entropia is a scam, a casino designed to suck you in and strip your bank account"

"By the way, mr.man who said don't type in caps, who are you to DICTATE HOW TO TYPE ON THE INTERNET? This isn't a fucken language school, it's a game forum, take your literary advice and sell it for a few PED... then go lose them in the click casino that is EU."

Well i asumed you were unaware of the established etiqett and intended to enlighten you to the fact that you behaved in a manner that the general population of most forums have deemd equal to stomping around in a toystore yelling because you were  denied the latest shiney.

And between you and me... If i go back to my old Sollomat Outbacko those PED go quite a fair bit, and maybe i get lucky and HOF on a Chirpy.  =P

Originally posted by tawess

"By the way, mr.man who said don't type in caps, who are you to DICTATE HOW TO TYPE ON THE INTERNET? This isn't a fucken language school, it's a game forum, take your literary advice and sell it for a few PED... then go lose them in the click casino that is EU."

 

Well i asumed you were unaware of the established etiqett and intended to enlighten you to the fact that you behaved in a manner that the general population of most forums have deemd equal to stomping around in a toystore yelling because you were  denied the latest shiney.

 

And between you and me... If i go back to my old Sollomat Outbacko those PED go quite a fair bit, and maybe i get lucky and HOF on a Chirpy.  =P

 

 

I have to apologise, I certainly was a little "hot under the collar" (side effect of EU) when I replied hehe and you didn't deserve the reply I gave!
Doesn't take away from the fact EU is a casino :D

Wow loll hate much? Seems like you had more passion writting this than you were trying to resist the temptation to deposit 1000$ each months.

Originally posted by scamtropia

THIS GUY ABOVE ME - WHEN HE SAYS "Don't play above your level" "don't play with armor and plates" ... what he's really saying is don't have fun.

If you don't need armor to hunt a mob, you're going to be bored out of your mind! It's worse grind than any other game EVER!

Some people have lot of fun playing Cross words.. why not this?

And young nublet, I never play above my level. I _could_ solo Longtooth, Eomon, Falx etc etc and THAT would be above my level, but I don't. I play on easy mobs (Fresco, Trox, Letomie, Cersumon, Scips)... these mobs are PISS easy to me. Still mass loss (even with the markup on the items they drop) which is why I had to downgrade to naked hunting noob mobs like bots and molisk, to TRY and counter with nearly no decay and low markup (circa 108%) going in and higher MU (circa 120% on drones 550% on molisk) coming out. Guess what? LOSS!

The way he talks shows me he knows nothing about EU anyway! HL14 overpriced?! I LOOT MY OWN YOU FUCKEN NOOB! Hahahhaha

Then why not sell the HL14 you looted? Looted or not markup still apply
I had nearly 300k skill this guy knows NOTHING about EU other than the catch phrases like "eco". All eco is is basic math and there are webpages with stats to help you figure it out. EVEN RUNNING AROUND WITH P4+a103 and no armor on small bots WITH NO ARMOR OR PLATES AND NO FAP is still a loss EVEN WITH THE MARKUP OF GAZZURDITE

No way! you still hunted them even when the loots were crap. Learn your limit when loot are crap they are crap
DONT listen to this guy, he's a complete noob, he contradicts himself ("the game doesn't cost heaps!" then next post "$30 lasted me 2 weeks!") rofl 2 weeks of click click click click (there's no skill in EU).... he's probably just another fanboy with 20 aliases (or mercury).

Just to show how noob he is, I checked his tracker (a website that captures hwo many "jackpots" you hit in the casino).... HE DOESNT HAVE ANY STATS! hahahah complete noob... COMPLETE noob. Nddesh has no tracker stats and the only "Filth" there has a total of 500ped globals BAHAHAHAAH.

I don't use Nddesh as my nickname in EU, i use Filth instead and i have a total loot of 1500, 3800 if i count Hunt, Mining and crafting but ofcourse Team hunts aren't counted. And these 2 weeks i was hunting argo's they rarely globals but good 20-40 pedder tho and when i don't hunt them i'm hunting in team. You should try that, playing with ''friends''

Unless he's filthy Mcnasty - in which case he's lying through his teeth to you, because Filthy depo's HEAPS.

Now just wait for his "globals aren't everything" comment - that's what noobs say... if you don't have globals, you're either a noob or a hairdresser.

What he's saying is - play in an incredibly boring manner and you won't lose more than $30 a fortnight.... ARENT GAMES MEANT TO BE FUN!? Fucken moron.

Fucken moron?.. hey i'm not the one who deposited 9000$ and lost all of it. And yeh games are meant to be fun but not everyone have the same definition of ''Fun''.

I still don't understand about your Anti-EU crusade tho. You blame your failure on someone else but you're the one that made it an obsession and lost everything.

play smart and eco.. god ive heard this multible times.. i had around 170k total skills... i never had any good or even uber gear coz of the shitty loot i gained.. (and didnt wanna depo to buy coz i would be forced to sell em soon anyway) i used to hunt ALOT of small allos naked and with very little fap use.. i used a gun that had been ranked "one of the decent eco guns" korss h400 that was.. (usually looted by myself when needed) and in about 7/10 of the runs gained about 50% of the wasted AMMO back.. and that was GOOD for me.. thats why i hunted allos.. coz THAT was CHEAP for me... so how u play eco and smart.. and make even.. just tell me... and what about mining.. thats profession u need no skills or knowledge in (only helps u know the places for better ores and ability to gain em... if u just can find something!!)... within these 3+ years i played i mainly mined.. had a few lvls of prosp.. and alot of bombs dropped.. after every VU it just went worse for me.. all tho skills went up.. 100 NRF in row in earth... hows that possible...

There's not much I can add to this thread, other than what I've posted in others in a similar vein...

But all I will say at this point is, give it a shot. Don't go in with unrealistic expectations, don't expect much at all. Don't feel pressured into depositing, and don't let the scrolling ja... (err, globals) put you off.

Look for the guides ingame for assistance, as well as Alice's lovelly beginner guide on entropiaforum.com

Anyhoo, I'm going to insert an ad here: Stay tuned for an in-depth review of Entropia Universe/Planet Calypso, both pre and post VU, from someone with over 2.5 years & 2000 hours of experience in both audio visual and text formats, to be posted on major gaming websites (inc. this one) , my blog, with the video version to go on google video and/or youtube.

It also may not necessarily be a positive review, either ;-)

Anyhoo, have fun and good gaming.

- Nytewolf

hahha just read the forums right now.. theres 90% of the ppl whining about the new money eating feature they added to game

http://www.entropiaforum.com/

its fukin hilarious... i really hope ppl wont just let this pass like the other money eating features... 

Originally posted by Zorlac

Any thoughts on Entropia? The new engine looks really good and the PVP looks fun from some Youtube videos I watched.

Is it a skill based sandbox sci-fi game?

Is it possible realistically to make real $$$ from the game???

Is it polished and fun?

too many bugs sometime its lag sometime its bug sometime its querky ways to interact with game

so when game stop act6ing the way it ashould your left to wonder if a the game lag ,b is this another bug ,or c a quirk you havent learned yet

on top of that if you max graphic setting there are countless memory leak

if the game worked as intended yes this game would be great but since the problem is the same as aion

aside form the fact its another version of crytek 2,crytek is full of issue so many that after a month in entropia you ll beg for merci

to anybody you hate to go see a movie with them

you would have better luck with second life i think

this game is perfect for gamer playing on pokerstars with lot of other and are bored of poker then they can come in this game and relax (grind)

I played this game at launch for 2  years, It was my first MMO.  I played very conservative with my deposits and MOBS dropped 100% of the time(they don't anymore). Weapons and Armor were more affordable as inflation had not kicked in. With that being said I made NO MONEY!  Averaged about $25 a month in deposits during this time.  I just tried it again for  few days and burned through my deposit faster than ever. Now the game is even less forginving and its increase in complexity is a great way to confuse beginners and make it even more of a money pit.

The only way you can make money in this game is not by playing the game itself,  but try to buy low and sell High on the auction. And if your going to waste your time doing that, you might as well do it in real life.

I was always under the impression that MA (the company that runs the game) and some of the folks that were successful in game were shady.  Like a snake oil salesman who has an accomplise in the crowd posing as a satisfied customer.

I would avoid this game like the plague. There are plenty of MMO's out there with actual entertainment value and 10 - 15 dollars a month is reasonable amount to pay for unrestricted gameplay.

System is working now fairly well after all the updates, Cryengine is going strong. Graphics at its best is phenomenal, at worst (some unfinished areas) crappy.

Gameplay is smooth now too.

About this being free real cash mmorpg: TRUE. BUT.

I have been in EU now I think 5 years, and I am presently at aproximately half-way to maximum in my main profession, that is hunting, and specifically laser sniper. Now it is getting progressively slower. I do not expect to max my skills even in this one profession in my lifetime. I do not have money to do that. I could put money in and buy skills, or wait for some fabulous loot continuing to come my way. Last is not going to happen. So I will never be at the top. This will be the situation to majority of EU players.

The most important matter with this game is that its all about real money. Its your real money you are shooting away, and its real money if you loot something grand. This is the spice, the main thing about this game. This makes this game special.

BUT DO NOT EXPECT TO GET RICH IN THIS GAME. Unless, of course, you are like Deathifier, who bought an island in EU for 26.000 USD. Or Buzz Lightyear (avatar name), who just today bought a space station inside EU for 333.000 USD. YES YOU READ THAT RIGHT! 333.000 USD. There is lots of serious money moving around in EU.

Do not expect easy, quick profits. And of course do not expect similar gameplay as in WoW, or ETQW, or whatever. This is all about hardcore business. Better be prepared for it if you enter.

  I read several posts regarding Entropia and one post was real good, but I could not find it again. Something about a guy who said he was an embassador at Vegas for Entropia. This forum's search engine is not finding it. Thanks for all your feedback here.

I have a duo core and a quad core and could not download Entropia/Planet Calypso on either. Downright strange.   I value that you say it is boring and hard to make it.  I made my decision based on this: 1. No proper newbie instructions 2. Download issues, including removal issues 3. Reviews    I will not  waste my precious time or buy into this!

Another thing, it  is plain buggy that it does not show up in my Control Panel:  Add/Remove , but manages to put their icon on my desktop and my programs when it is not even friggin downloaded!  Why risk memory and other issues their bugs might mess up on my pc? Alot of positive reviews seem to come from "shills". (Vegas term). I  always look at negative reviews to weigh the odds that alot of them WILL BE FACT  via using alot of google  searches for consumer purchase ratings+forums+BBB files+also use the word "scam" or "ripoff" for certain companies. This method has saved me from trouble, wasted time, and most products I have gotten this way are favorable. Again, thx to you for saving me a lot  of time and aggravation! 

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