Originally posted by Wolfenpride

 news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_re_us/us_interracial_rebuff

Game, set, match, McEnroe. He broke the law, Cleffy. There is no way you can twist things to change that.

Hey guys did you know elected public servants are legally obligated to serve all of its citizens?  Hurry we must tell our politicians this.  Yes, you should believe whats legal from our politicians attempting to profit from this piece of news.

Originally posted by Cleffy

Hey guys did you know elected public servants are legally obligated to serve all of its citizens?  Hurry we must tell our politicians this.  Yes, you should believe whats legal from our politicians attempting to profit from this piece of news.

You're goddamn right he is. Good thing you finally get it.

Originally posted by kobie173

Why would I agree with that? Any law, just by nature of being a law, is "tyranny"? Even laws that are designed to NOT exclude people?

By that logic, since laws are "tyranny," and "tyranny" is bad, then we should have no laws. And that's called "anarchy."

You misunderstood what I was saying.  I am saying that a law can be tyrannical and the fact that something is a law, does not make it not tyranny.  I'm saying there's such things as Tyrannical Laws.  I never meant you to think I meant all laws are tyrannical.

Originally posted by smokemonsc

Originally posted by kobie173

Why would I agree with that? Any law, just by nature of being a law, is "tyranny"? Even laws that are designed to NOT exclude people?

By that logic, since laws are "tyranny," and "tyranny" is bad, then we should have no laws. And that's called "anarchy."

 

You misunderstood what I was saying.  I am saying that a law can be tyrannical and the fact that something is a law, does not make it not tyranny.  I'm saying there's such things as Tyrannical Laws.  I never meant you to think I meant all laws are tyrannical.

OK. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

Originally posted by Cleffy

 The ACLU is already charging up its lawyers to profit from this man's stearn beliefs. 

A wingnut rant isn't a wingnut rant without playing the ACLU card.

I thought libs were suppose to be good with sarcasm:

"A justice of the peace has the legal right to marry two individuals seeking to wed, provided they have a marriage license. In Connecticut and Massachusetts, where same-sex unions are legal, a justice of the peace is often called upon. However, the justice of the peace is under no legal obligation to perform the ceremony. "

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Cleffy

 The ACLU is already charging up its lawyers to profit from this man's stearn beliefs. 

A wingnut rant isn't a wingnut rant without playing the ACLU card.

Even though I kinda agree with Cleffy's underlying thoughts about the ACLU, in the grander scheme of things at least they fight for some people's liberties. :/ better than none at all I guess :)  It's their money and time so they have the right to cherry pick what they choose to back.

Originally posted by smokemonsc

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by Cleffy

 The ACLU is already charging up its lawyers to profit from this man's stearn beliefs. 

A wingnut rant isn't a wingnut rant without playing the ACLU card.

Even though I kinda agree with Cleffy's underlying thoughts about the ACLU, in the grander scheme of things at least they fight for some people's liberties. :/ better than none at all I guess :)  It's their money and time so they have the right to cherry pick what they choose to back.

But they back all sorts of cases, liberal and conservative. The conservatives only rant against the ACLU when the ACLU isn't defending them.

But when this happens: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html

You don't hear boo.

Originally posted by Cleffy

I thought libs were suppose to be good with sarcasm:

"A justice of the peace has the legal right to marry two individuals seeking to wed, provided they have a marriage license. In Connecticut and Massachusetts, where same-sex unions are legal, a justice of the peace is often called upon. However, the justice of the peace is under no legal obligation to perform the ceremony. "

"Performing a ceremony" is not the same as "issuing a marriage license." The JP in question refused to issue the marriage license. Keep going.

Originally posted by kobie173

But they back all sorts of cases, liberal and conservative. The conservatives only rant against the ACLU when the ACLU isn't defending them.

But when this happens: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,108140,00.html

You don't hear boo.

 

I could be wrong.  Perhaps its the cynic in me that wants them to fight for all violations of rights.  yes I appreciate that its my definition of rights and not necessarily theirs =p

I will be honest and admit that it would take a lot to convince me that the ACLU does not have a liberal agenda.  I'm going to be lazy here for a moment (right before bed) and state one of my unchecked opinions of them...don't they support Affirmative Action?  There are such better ways to help underprivledged groups achieve success than reverse discrimination.

:(

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Originally posted by zzvicezz 

 

I highlighted the double zs in your name because I know what they mean skin. You only have five posts here which tells me that you are either somebody's sock puppet or one of your nazi friends called you in as backup. I suggest you cease and desist RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

For those of you that don't know, the double zz is code for the SS symbols. The vice part is meant to forground this. It's not as obvious as having the number 88 in their name (88=HH which stands for "heil Hitler") but it's still a dead give away if you know what to look for.

I did not know this, learn something new every day here it seems.  Or at least sometimes lol.

Originally posted by smokemonsc

Originally posted by osirisss

Some of you Americans are really full of shit,i mean really full of it,come to my country and you would  fall over.In the UK their are millions of mixed race people and marriages,you walk down the street and their is black men with white women and mixed race kids,no one gives a shit.

You really are living in the past,really backward thinking.

 

 

 

The UK is no bastion of tolerance, nor is anywhere in Europe.  Although I agree with you I think some people's views on marriage are....interesting =p

I'm curious why Muslims feel so ostrasized in your country.  (not being sarcastic here) Are Muslim-Anglosaxon relations really as bad there as they are being portrayed here in the US?  I read a lot more stories of home grown British terrorists than US (and our population is much larger.)  Curious as to what your thoughts are on that.

Thanks :)

1. He didn't say that the UK is a bastion of tolerance,did he?

2. Yes it's true,in the UK their are millions of mixed race marriages/couple and children,no one gives a shit unless you are part of the minority BNP.

3.Really! most Muslims in the UK are happy with their lives,you obviously read to much in the papers or perhaps it's fox news filling your head with bullshit.

4.Europe is far more tolerant than the USA,especially the UK.

5.Anglo Saxon..lol,get real man,most  British white people are from main land Europe,they can trace their ancestry back to the Normans and other groups,you do know who the Normans were ,don't you.

6. As for home grown terrorist,you are better of asking the white Irish that question,especially how they have been the biggest home grown terrorists in British history. Yes, yesterday Irish terrorist targeted a police man by planting a bomb under his car,they were not Muslims but white  Irish terrorist.

Oh, and who said we are just talking about Muslims, thinking out loud,are we?

Curious to see what your thoughts are on that..

Thanks :-)

Originally posted by billynomates

4.Europe is far more tolerant than the USA,especially the UK.

Tolerant in what way?

Originally posted by smokemonsc

Originally posted by osirisss

Some of you Americans are really full of shit,i mean really full of it,come to my country and you would  fall over.In the UK their are millions of mixed race people and marriages,you walk down the street and their is black men with white women and mixed race kids,no one gives a shit.

You really are living in the past,really backward thinking.

 

 

 

The UK is no bastion of tolerance, nor is anywhere in Europe.  Although I agree with you I think some people's views on marriage are....interesting =p

I'm curious why Muslims feel so ostrasized in your country.  (not being sarcastic here) Are Muslim-Anglosaxon relations really as bad there as they are being portrayed here in the US?  I read a lot more stories of home grown British terrorists than US (and our population is much larger.)  Curious as to what your thoughts are on that.

Thanks :)

I can only speak from personal experience, but my experience is based over the last 30 years & i've lived in 3 different cities in the UK.
 

The minority of Muslims are happy to "integrate" with everyone else that being they took the time to learn English, they get nvolved in community affairs of all ethnicities & are generally open & friendly.....

However, there is a very large proportion of Muslims who feel they must cling to & preserve their culture & they do this by self-segregating & being detached from their communities, developing into insular, secular little pockets of people largely cut off from wider society, these are the individuals who are most often complaining about how they are treated, completely ignorant to the simple fact that if you do not mingle you are viewed with suspicion, acceptance is a two-way street and it is as mch their fault as the fault of others that they are not welcomed.

People fear that which they do not know, if I went to live in a foreign country I would not stand around talking English all the time & refusing to learn that country's language.....I would consider it rude of me to do that, I would only talk English if I was only in English company & no natives were there. I would try to get involved in the community, meet them, welcome them to ask questions about my culture, my practices, I wouln't hide from their natural curiosity, or segregate myself in some pocket of English people.

I don't believe in a thing called "race" unless it is the "Human Race" , culture, religion, these are aspects of humanity not what defines being human, but what defines your personality, skin colour doesn't by itself define anything except how much sunlight your skin can stand before it burns, anything else ascribed to skin colour is done on a predjudical level, not a rational one.

As far as the Justice goes, it's not about race, it's about him not doing his damn job.

As far as his comments about mixed race children goes then that is not his place to make judgements about it, it is the parents of said children whose decision it is, & theirs alone, nobody has the right to pass comment except them, they are after all the ones who will raise their kids.

Ultimately, every single form of life on this planet had a single solitary parent, a single solitary microbe that was one of many but whose progeny populateed the entire globe, we are all children of the earth, the animals, the insects, the birds are all related to us, distantly, but related nonetheless, certain religions place us above our animal kin, but they are wrong, we are far more connected to our environment & our ecology than we realise.

Stop the hate.

Originally posted by billynomates

1. He didn't say that the UK is a bastion of tolerance,did he?

2. Yes it's true,in the UK their are millions of mixed race marriages/couple and children,no one gives a shit unless you are part of the minority BNP.

3.Really! most Muslims in the UK are happy with their lives,you obviously read to much in the papers or perhaps it's fox news filling your head with bullshit.

4.Europe is far more tolerant than the USA,especially the UK.

5.Anglo Saxon..lol,get real man,most  British white people are from main land Europe,they can trace their ancestry back to the Normans and other groups,you do know who the Normans were ,don't you.

6. As for home grown terrorist,you are better of asking the white Irish that question,especially how they have been the biggest home grown terrorists in British history. Yes, yesterday Irish terrorist targeted a police man by planting a bomb under his car,they were not Muslims but white  Irish terrorist.

Oh, and who said we are just talking about Muslims, thinking out loud,are we?

Curious to see what your thoughts are on that..

 

Thanks :-)

I'll keep your numbering for easy reference

1.  He may not have said it in so many words but he did say : "In the UK their are millions of mixed race people and marriages,you walk down the street and their is black men with white women and mixed race kids,no one gives a shit."  He implies that there are more interracial couples in the UK and I don't think it's unfair to extrapolate he's trying to seem superior. 

2. I sincerly doubt there are "Millions" since your population according to your own 2001 census data is roughly 60 million.  And only 8% of that are minorities.  Here's a breakdown of your census data--

White  92.1%
Mixed race  1.2%
Indian  1.8%
Pakistani 1.3%
Bangladeshi 0.5%
Other Asian (non-Chinese) 0.4%
Black Caribbean 1.0%
Black African  0.8%
Black (others)  0.2%
Chinese  0.4%
Other  0.4%
 

And for comparison US census data for just whites

Whites : 74%

Source = US 2001 Census, UK 2001 Census, Wiki

I don't think you guys have had to deal with the same sort of racial tensions that we have, simply because diversity in your country is not on the same level as ours.  I realize both of our countries have had an increase in minority groups total % of the population since 2001.  That said there are many interracial couples in the United States as well and most people don't really care.  I'm trying very hard not to say "we're better than you" since even if I thought that, it doesn't add to the discussion =p so please don't take it that way.  I will say the US has had more experience than really any other country in dealing with racism and racial tensions.

3. It's not Fox news that reports this is your own news media.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1551868.stm for just one example of an article about racial anger growing in the UK.  The BBC is filled with hundreds of articles just like it.

4.  Europe doesn't know the first thing about racial diversity.  It's easy to claim you're tolerant when you don't live with the people you claim to be tolerant of.  Most countries in Europe are 80-90% their own racial majority.  I've been to Europe and during my travels there they have the same petty prejudices that we have here in the US.  French smell, Germans are loud, Irish are drunks, etc etc.

5. I am quite fluent on the history of the British Peoples.  You are right though that the majority are indigenous peoples, I think the latest figure was 80%.

6. I brought up Muslims because it's been in the news recently and it is a subject we can all relate to.  Also I'm pretty sure the Protestant Irish (part of the UK) are not very tolerant of their Catholic brothers and sisters.  I've been to Ireland and Northern Ireland and visited Belfast and toured around and saw more of the murals.  Some pretty disturbing stuff.  The tension is just under the surface there and if I remember correctly there were several murders just recently in the past year (plus the incident you talk about).  Scary stuff.  That said the people couldn't have been nicer to me :) (I think they wanted my money =p lol)

I tend to believe that most people who claim they are "tolerant" and "not a little bit racist" are fooling themselves and hypocrites.

My two cents =p

Originally posted by kobie173

Originally posted by rebelhero1

I like this guy, he has balls.

You all should try it sometime!

Since when was acting as if you were above the law equivalent to "having balls"?

Because he isn't afraid of wusses like you who sit here and complain about him on the forums for MMORPG.com.

And I don't recall him "acting above the law" the specific situation read about was something like this;


I.C. (Interracial Couple) "Yo dawg, I wanna marry dis hoe."

White Republican (which many people are quick to point out. lol good argument) "Um... are you, pray tell, an interracial couple?"

I.C. "F**k yeah N***er, I love me some white meat."

W.R. "I see... Well I know of someone more qualified than myself to perform this marriage, allow me to direct you to him."


If the dude doesn't want to do it, who cares? Someone else will. It's not like the guy was like "LOL UR BLACK I H8 U". He kindly directed them to another person to perform the marriage. Why don't you focus your attentions on more serious matters.

Something like your President getting the freaking Nobel Peace Prize. Seriously? Do we feel the need to lift black people up THAT MUCH? He did absolutely NOTHING to deserve it.

There's a mindset in this country that Black people are a delicate, discriminated group of people. Spare me that non-sense.

Do any of you even know of anyone who ever even know someone who had a slave? Oh that's right! THEY ALL DIED A LONG TIME AGO.

The only TRUE discrimination against Black people are from people sick and tired of that select group (aka Jesse Jackson and left-wing liberals and people that generally make something more than it is) milking the "white people are racist and anything they do is driven by racial undertones AND THEY MUST BE PUNISHED. No, I can't hate a Black guy because he's an idiot, it HAS to be because he's Black. (And no, before you ask, there's not a single black man I know personally that I hate, several are friends as a matter of fact).

And I'm going to lol if anyone calls me racist, because I'm not. It only shows as an example of the IGNORANCE (not racism) that's eating this country whole. It's as bad as it ever was, but worse in the respect that everyone thinks they know everything.

Question everything.

Originally posted by Mandarr

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Originally posted by zzvicezz 

 

I highlighted the double zs in your name because I know what they mean skin. You only have five posts here which tells me that you are either somebody's sock puppet or one of your nazi friends called you in as backup. I suggest you cease and desist RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

For those of you that don't know, the double zz is code for the SS symbols. The vice part is meant to forground this. It's not as obvious as having the number 88 in their name (88=HH which stands for "heil Hitler") but it's still a dead give away if you know what to look for.

 

I did not know this, learn something new every day here it seems.  Or at least sometimes lol.

Can anyone find a link or a place where this is stated elsewhere on the internet? I can't, but I am multitasking right now.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Mandarr

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Originally posted by zzvicezz 

 

I highlighted the double zs in your name because I know what they mean skin. You only have five posts here which tells me that you are either somebody's sock puppet or one of your nazi friends called you in as backup. I suggest you cease and desist RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

For those of you that don't know, the double zz is code for the SS symbols. The vice part is meant to forground this. It's not as obvious as having the number 88 in their name (88=HH which stands for "heil Hitler") but it's still a dead give away if you know what to look for.

 

I did not know this, learn something new every day here it seems.  Or at least sometimes lol.

 

Can anyone find a link or a place where this is stated elsewhere on the internet? I can't, but I am multitasking right now.

Well that's what I've found after a bit of search.

http://www.goantiques.com/detail,zeppelinflieger-luftwaffe-german,1534404.html

DIAL: Black non-reflective military dial signed "W-ZZ" (Wermacht SS) and "ZEPPELINFLIEGER" under the post. Mint dial.

Plus this one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine might have something to do with that double ZZ.

Not sure though, I did know from my history lessons that the double z's were associated with the wermacht but not really why.

Originally posted by sniperg

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Mandarr

Originally posted by Jimmy_Scythe

Originally posted by zzvicezz 

 

I highlighted the double zs in your name because I know what they mean skin. You only have five posts here which tells me that you are either somebody's sock puppet or one of your nazi friends called you in as backup. I suggest you cease and desist RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

For those of you that don't know, the double zz is code for the SS symbols. The vice part is meant to forground this. It's not as obvious as having the number 88 in their name (88=HH which stands for "heil Hitler") but it's still a dead give away if you know what to look for.

 

I did not know this, learn something new every day here it seems.  Or at least sometimes lol.

 

Can anyone find a link or a place where this is stated elsewhere on the internet? I can't, but I am multitasking right now.

 

Well that's what I've found after a bit of search.

http://www.goantiques.com/detail,zeppelinflieger-luftwaffe-german,1534404.html

DIAL: Black non-reflective military dial signed "W-ZZ" (Wermacht SS) and "ZEPPELINFLIEGER" under the post. Mint dial.

Plus this one en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_machine might have something to do with that double ZZ.

Not sure though, I did know from my history lessons that the double z's were associated with the wermacht but not really why.

Well to quote Arte Johnson...verrrrrrrrry interesting...