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  ste2000

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10/15/09 11:36:12 AM#41

Almost a 9 for this game???

Way over rated, the reviewer was a bit over enthusiastic.
This game is not awful, but giving it a 9 shows how biased the reviewer was.

Aion is very polished, it has decent content and the graphics are pretty good.
But the game play can be tedious and repetitive, and you need to grind quite a lot in order to max your character.
Also the game doesn't bring anything new to the genre whatsoever, therefore lacking the innovation  element  which doesn't justify such an high score.
Hardly 9 rating material.....................

  gkk1212

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"Kill`em All Let The Medics Sort 0ut The Body Parts"

10/15/09 11:43:36 AM#42
Originally posted by Stradden

MMORPG.com reviewer Sean Bulger turns his sights this week onto NCsoft's newest title, Aion.

Players create a character from one of one of two factions, the angelic Elyos - who live on the temperate and blessed half of a shattered world, or the black-winged Asmodians - who brave much harsher climates and have evolved to survive them. While each race might hold a stereotypical hero/villain appearance, neither fit these stereotypes. However, that doesn't mean that players won't be seeing plenty of combat between the two sides, and their true enemy, the NPC-controlled Balaur.

While the story is largely fluff, it does set the stage for Aion's main gameplay mechanic: PvPvE (Player vs. Player vs. Environment). While PvPvE largely focuses on faction-based PvP combat, it still manages to bring in plenty of PvE to add variety, and ensures that all playstyles will get some attention. However, despite its seamless and polished integration of both these systems, Aion still remains a conservative game.

Read the Aion Review


 

 

 

1st off... we asmodians are just asangelic as well you pompous tree hugging Elyos... tee hee! Sorry for being curt but honestly your very first sentence came of like you think of us asmodians as the lesser faction... being the underdogs and the fallen one's that got the short end of the stick, "meaning we got no sun on our half of the world and were freezing or butt's off so we got this wierd furry mane on our backside keep us warm..." therefore our wings do not look ethereal like the Elyos... forgive me if i seem to be coming off defensive"  OMG  you say hero / villain  just cuzz we have black wings we are labeled bad? ROFLMAO!  >*< ! Holy cow what next a forum post on racism  between the to factions ROFLMAO tee hee *giggles... I do agree of your opinon on the lore story line... for some people that like to play solo they ae screwed for you are forced to play in groups or never lvl to your peek level. PvP is fun and the PvE is falty at the least for if you do not gather in the game when you reach level 20 your damned when doing quests in Morhiem  for it seems you must gather at least 30 % or more things to finish a quest in that region... i know i'm going off subject but their ore some bugs in the GRFX in the game that i hope the address soon ... " if AION does not get a handle on the spammersin channels 1-2-3-4-5 & 6 things are going to be rough for alot of ppl chat is gone "LFG ch. is gone as well as trade ch. is gone! and these channels are VERY MUCH needed... i like doing solo things but this mmo was not made to be like that so i accept this and enjoy AION, as for the paying for  paying for death... this is bunk !

In conclusion  i concur with 75 % of what  Stradden has said...

( at least you  addressed that we have to live in the cold harsh weather with no sun! ! )

& 4 Ascended Alts ... 10 assasin 10 gladiator 10  ranger & sorc!

*Giggles!!!

in a mmo called Rohan 'blood feud' there was a way that they got rid of the gold spammers after1 month the game put in these handcuffs you could buy at any NPC vendor for 5 gold and if you saw a spammer or a gold farmer or a dealer you could slap the cuffs on them and it would Immediately send a tell to a Game Master and they would BAN them from the game...
now it did not get rid of all of them cuzz they could remake a toon and come back but the players could police the game. At the very least keep the chats from being swamped... in AION ... "my god i have to stay in my own tab that i made in the game so i don't see the spammers BUT they killed the 1.2.3.4.5.6. ch.  LFG and Trade windows are useless!!!

Have played: Asheron's Call, Champions Online, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, Guild Wars, Lineage, Lord of the Rings Online, RF Online, Rohan: Blood Feud, Shaiya, Ultima Online, Warhammer, WoW and SC, BW, D1, Diablo 1 expantion, D2, D2x, Warcraft 2, & 3 !

  Oldmasters

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Joined: 10/15/09
Posts: 4

10/15/09 11:44:52 AM#43
Originally posted by ste2000

Almost a 9 for this game???

Way over rated, the reviewer was a bit over enthusiastic.
This game is not awful, but giving it a 9 shows how biased the reviewer was.

Aion is very polished, it has decent content and the graphics are pretty good.
But the game play can be tedious and repetitive, and you need to grind quite a lot in order to max your character.
Also the game doesn't bring anything new to the genre whatsoever, therefore lacking the innovation  element  which doesn't justify such an high score.
Hardly 9 rating material.....................


 

I agree

  nate1980

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Joined: 3/03/09
Posts: 1833

10/15/09 11:46:06 AM#44
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by indiramourn

I'm not interested in reviews that are all "fluffy kittens" and "happy thoughts".  I want a critique.  I what to hear a critical evaluation of the game--even the best games have issues.  Because ultimately it's whether or not I can tolerate the "issues" with the game that will determine the long-term playability for me.  I found this review far too positive.  And the only place they start to lean critical, the next to the last paragraph, it's more about outside forces on the the game--Gold spam and GM response time--than about game mechanics, etc.

 

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right? 

This is an idiotic mindset and moreover it's what is contributing to the problem of games being rushed out, overhyped, and under delivered to meet an unrealistic expectation.

The review is a solid one and the 8.7 is deserved.  I've played them all just about and I left WoW myself after going through the trend of big hyped up games coming out only to fall flat, heralding a return to WoW.  This time I was very pleasantly surprised and that's even going in with a really pessimistic view.

People need to stop feeling threatened and stop hating on this game just because their worried their game might topple from the number 1 spot.  Who cares.  Enjoy it for what it is.  No one said it was revolutionary, they said it was a new take on an old model and after experiencing it first hand, I'll take it.  It's beautiful, well polished, and has some very interesting and unique features.


 

What kind of mindset is it when you make assumptions about other people?

That poster asked for an honest critique of the game, not an overly negative review. Critiques reveal both the good and the bad. That poster was right that this wasn't a critique, because it didn't systematically reveal the good and the bad of the game. However, a critique would require more thought and would be longer than gamers might want to spend reading a forum. So a critique may not be called for. I wouldn't of minded a critique, nor would that poster you quoted. I'd of found a real critique interesting, even though I've played the game and didn't like it.

  indiramourn

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Joined: 12/13/05
Posts: 882

MMOs require more reasoning and imagination than most stereotypically ''adult'' activities.

10/15/09 11:46:57 AM#45
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by indiramourn

I'm not interested in reviews that are all "fluffy kittens" and "happy thoughts".  I want a critique.  I what to hear a critical evaluation of the game--even the best games have issues.  Because ultimately it's whether or not I can tolerate the "issues" with the game that will determine the long-term playability for me.  I found this review far too positive.  And the only place they start to lean critical, the next to the last paragraph, it's more about outside forces on the the game--Gold spam and GM response time--than about game mechanics, etc.

 

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad


 

Yes, that is exactly what I want.   And so I am still waiting for a review that does it.

  mmaize

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Joined: 7/23/09
Posts: 275

10/15/09 11:49:49 AM#46
Originally posted by nate1980
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by indiramourn

I'm not interested in reviews that are all "fluffy kittens" and "happy thoughts".  I want a critique.  I what to hear a critical evaluation of the game--even the best games have issues.  Because ultimately it's whether or not I can tolerate the "issues" with the game that will determine the long-term playability for me.  I found this review far too positive.  And the only place they start to lean critical, the next to the last paragraph, it's more about outside forces on the the game--Gold spam and GM response time--than about game mechanics, etc.

 

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right? 

This is an idiotic mindset and moreover it's what is contributing to the problem of games being rushed out, overhyped, and under delivered to meet an unrealistic expectation.

The review is a solid one and the 8.7 is deserved.  I've played them all just about and I left WoW myself after going through the trend of big hyped up games coming out only to fall flat, heralding a return to WoW.  This time I was very pleasantly surprised and that's even going in with a really pessimistic view.

People need to stop feeling threatened and stop hating on this game just because their worried their game might topple from the number 1 spot.  Who cares.  Enjoy it for what it is.  No one said it was revolutionary, they said it was a new take on an old model and after experiencing it first hand, I'll take it.  It's beautiful, well polished, and has some very interesting and unique features.


 

What kind of mindset is it when you make assumptions about other people?

That poster asked for an honest critique of the game, not an overly negative review. Critiques reveal both the good and the bad. That poster was right that this wasn't a critique, because it didn't systematically reveal the good and the bad of the game. However, a critique would require more thought and would be longer than gamers might want to spend reading a forum. So a critique may not be called for. I wouldn't of minded a critique, nor would that poster you quoted. I'd of found a real critique interesting, even though I've played the game and didn't like it.

 

Really?  Then why don't you give us that critique since you seem to be the expert on what a review is or isn't?

  mmaize

Novice Member

Joined: 7/23/09
Posts: 275

10/15/09 11:51:18 AM#47
Originally posted by ste2000

Almost a 9 for this game???

Way over rated, the reviewer was a bit over enthusiastic.
This game is not awful, but giving it a 9 shows how biased the reviewer was.

Aion is very polished, it has decent content and the graphics are pretty good.
But the game play can be tedious and repetitive, and you need to grind quite a lot in order to max your character.
Also the game doesn't bring anything new to the genre whatsoever, therefore lacking the innovation  element  which doesn't justify such an high score.
Hardly 9 rating material.....................

 

Just so I'm clear...the rating system is 1-9 right?  Not 1-10.  Because a 10 is obviously by everyones standards here not possible and a 9 is pretty much the right hand of god? Yes?

  maji

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Joined: 1/15/04
Posts: 1859

10/15/09 11:54:43 AM#48
Originally posted by mmaize

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right?

 

Well the good stuff is already mentioned to death at any advertisment of the game, the games fansites, websites etc. So a reliable review must stress the negative stuff.

Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)

Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)

  nate1980

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Joined: 3/03/09
Posts: 1833

10/15/09 11:57:49 AM#49
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by nate1980
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by indiramourn

I'm not interested in reviews that are all "fluffy kittens" and "happy thoughts".  I want a critique.  I what to hear a critical evaluation of the game--even the best games have issues.  Because ultimately it's whether or not I can tolerate the "issues" with the game that will determine the long-term playability for me.  I found this review far too positive.  And the only place they start to lean critical, the next to the last paragraph, it's more about outside forces on the the game--Gold spam and GM response time--than about game mechanics, etc.

 

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right? 

This is an idiotic mindset and moreover it's what is contributing to the problem of games being rushed out, overhyped, and under delivered to meet an unrealistic expectation.

The review is a solid one and the 8.7 is deserved.  I've played them all just about and I left WoW myself after going through the trend of big hyped up games coming out only to fall flat, heralding a return to WoW.  This time I was very pleasantly surprised and that's even going in with a really pessimistic view.

People need to stop feeling threatened and stop hating on this game just because their worried their game might topple from the number 1 spot.  Who cares.  Enjoy it for what it is.  No one said it was revolutionary, they said it was a new take on an old model and after experiencing it first hand, I'll take it.  It's beautiful, well polished, and has some very interesting and unique features.


 

What kind of mindset is it when you make assumptions about other people?

That poster asked for an honest critique of the game, not an overly negative review. Critiques reveal both the good and the bad. That poster was right that this wasn't a critique, because it didn't systematically reveal the good and the bad of the game. However, a critique would require more thought and would be longer than gamers might want to spend reading a forum. So a critique may not be called for. I wouldn't of minded a critique, nor would that poster you quoted. I'd of found a real critique interesting, even though I've played the game and didn't like it.

 

Really?  Then why don't you give us that critique since you seem to be the expert on what a review is or isn't?


 

To what purpose would a critique serve and what would the benefit be for me? I've already critiqued the game for myself, which lead me to quit the game. Critiquing the game is not my job, nor is there any real benefit to me doing so for a forum full of ungrateful people, who will likely let the thread die in a matter of days, after flaming it to death. The only way I'll spend the effort to write down a critique about something is if I was properly rewarded for it, such as if it was my job, or a grade in school depended on it.

  mmaize

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Joined: 7/23/09
Posts: 275

10/15/09 12:00:56 PM#50
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by mmaize

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right?

 

Well the good stuff is already mentioned to death at any advertisment of the game, the games fansites, websites etc. So a reliable review must stress the negative stuff.

 

Completely disagree.  Aspects of the game should be told in a non biased and fair manner.  If there are no negative aspects of a game or your having to get to microscopic to look for them then you tell it like it is...that there are really no negative aspects that you could find or that the ones you did find which are this, this, and that, are really more of a minor annoyance or hardly mentionable flaw.  Same goes with the positive side...if all you find is negativity and the positives are too small then you mention them for what they are.

What you don't do is try to drum up things to try to create some equal balance in order to appease the readers of a review because they believe a review isn't a review unless it's mostly negative...or mostly positive.

Just state the facts and let the reader make up their own mind.  That being said a review is always going to be created in the eyes of the person doing the review and what they find as an annoyance or what have you, might be something that's right up your alley in terms of play style or what have you.

  dscar23

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10/15/09 12:01:39 PM#51

mmorpg.com's review of wow they gave it an 8.0

aion gets an 8.7?

aion is wow with...less content...

 

make sense

  mmaize

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Joined: 7/23/09
Posts: 275

10/15/09 12:02:25 PM#52
Originally posted by nate1980
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by nate1980
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by indiramourn

I'm not interested in reviews that are all "fluffy kittens" and "happy thoughts".  I want a critique.  I what to hear a critical evaluation of the game--even the best games have issues.  Because ultimately it's whether or not I can tolerate the "issues" with the game that will determine the long-term playability for me.  I found this review far too positive.  And the only place they start to lean critical, the next to the last paragraph, it's more about outside forces on the the game--Gold spam and GM response time--than about game mechanics, etc.

 

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right? 

This is an idiotic mindset and moreover it's what is contributing to the problem of games being rushed out, overhyped, and under delivered to meet an unrealistic expectation.

The review is a solid one and the 8.7 is deserved.  I've played them all just about and I left WoW myself after going through the trend of big hyped up games coming out only to fall flat, heralding a return to WoW.  This time I was very pleasantly surprised and that's even going in with a really pessimistic view.

People need to stop feeling threatened and stop hating on this game just because their worried their game might topple from the number 1 spot.  Who cares.  Enjoy it for what it is.  No one said it was revolutionary, they said it was a new take on an old model and after experiencing it first hand, I'll take it.  It's beautiful, well polished, and has some very interesting and unique features.


 

What kind of mindset is it when you make assumptions about other people?

That poster asked for an honest critique of the game, not an overly negative review. Critiques reveal both the good and the bad. That poster was right that this wasn't a critique, because it didn't systematically reveal the good and the bad of the game. However, a critique would require more thought and would be longer than gamers might want to spend reading a forum. So a critique may not be called for. I wouldn't of minded a critique, nor would that poster you quoted. I'd of found a real critique interesting, even though I've played the game and didn't like it.

 

Really?  Then why don't you give us that critique since you seem to be the expert on what a review is or isn't?


 

To what purpose would a critique serve and what would the benefit be for me? I've already critiqued the game for myself, which lead me to quit the game. Critiquing the game is not my job, nor is there any real benefit to me doing so for a forum full of ungrateful people, who will likely let the thread die in a matter of days, after flaming it to death. The only way I'll spend the effort to write down a critique about something is if I was properly rewarded for it, such as if it was my job, or a grade in school depended on it.

You could have stopped at the "its not my job" part.  Case rested.  And since it isn't your job how are you a credible critic of a review over anyone else?  How can you tell anyone that this review is any better or worse than any other?

  ste2000

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10/15/09 12:03:38 PM#53
Originally posted by dscar23

mmorpg.com's review of wow they gave it an 8.0

aion gets an 8.7?

aion is wow with...less content...

 

make sense

 

Eheh exactly my point.
Also WoW doesn't even deserve an 8.............and Aion ain't better than WoW, go and figure.

Me think MMORPG.com needs better reviewers

  Bloodaxes

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10/15/09 12:03:49 PM#54
Originally posted by dscar23

mmorpg.com's review of wow they gave it an 8.0

aion gets an 8.7?

aion is wow with...less content...

 

make sense

 

Maybe mmorpg like pvp wow didn't do it good anyway so many class unbalances.

 

And people that played wow at launch say that it was not bug free so maybe that can add to the rating.

  nate1980

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10/15/09 12:09:22 PM#55
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by mmaize

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right?

 

Well the good stuff is already mentioned to death at any advertisment of the game, the games fansites, websites etc. So a reliable review must stress the negative stuff.

 

Completely disagree.  Aspects of the game should be told in a non biased and fair manner.  If there are no negative aspects of a game or your having to get to microscopic to look for them then you tell it like it is...that there are really no negative aspects that you could find or that the ones you did find which are this, this, and that, are really more of a minor annoyance or hardly mentionable flaw.  Same goes with the positive side...if all you find is negativity and the positives are too small then you mention them for what they are.

What you don't do is try to drum up things to try to create some equal balance in order to appease the readers of a review because they believe a review isn't a review unless it's mostly negative...or mostly positive.

Just state the facts and let the reader make up their own mind.  That being said a review is always going to be created in the eyes of the person doing the review and what they find as an annoyance or what have you, might be something that's right up your alley in terms of play style or what have you.


 

Is it truely unbiased writing when you only write from your perception of things? What you describe the writer doing, is writing from his perception. If the writer didn't perceive there to be much negative, then there wasn't much negative.

  ste2000

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10/15/09 12:11:40 PM#56
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by ste2000

Almost a 9 for this game???

Way over rated, the reviewer was a bit over enthusiastic.
This game is not awful, but giving it a 9 shows how biased the reviewer was.

Aion is very polished, it has decent content and the graphics are pretty good.
But the game play can be tedious and repetitive, and you need to grind quite a lot in order to max your character.
Also the game doesn't bring anything new to the genre whatsoever, therefore lacking the innovation  element  which doesn't justify such an high score.
Hardly 9 rating material.....................

 

Just so I'm clear...the rating system is 1-9 right?  Not 1-10.  Because a 10 is obviously by everyones standards here not possible and a 9 is pretty much the right hand of god? Yes?


No game, no movie, no music track ever gets a 10 on serious magazines or Ezines.
10 is perfection, which no product, no matter how good it is, will ever achieve.
So 9 is the best achieveable score any product can ever get.

And a 9 for Aion is way, and I repeat WAY over rated, no matter how much you like the game.

As I said the game isn't bad, but you cannot give such an high score to a game which doesn't bring any innovation to the genre and which is quite tediious for a good number of people who already quit the game (me included).

So does it deserve a 4? Of course not, the game is solid and works flawlessly.
Personally I would have give it a 6.5.
I would accept a 7 from a satisfied customer and an 8 from a fanboy...........but 9 from a reviewer???
WoW got an 8 and has 10 million subs..................Aion in 6 months will be lucky to have 500K in US/EU.............very lucky
C'mon let's be serious.

  mmaize

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10/15/09 12:15:50 PM#57
Originally posted by nate1980
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by mmaize

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right?

 

Well the good stuff is already mentioned to death at any advertisment of the game, the games fansites, websites etc. So a reliable review must stress the negative stuff.

 

Completely disagree.  Aspects of the game should be told in a non biased and fair manner.  If there are no negative aspects of a game or your having to get to microscopic to look for them then you tell it like it is...that there are really no negative aspects that you could find or that the ones you did find which are this, this, and that, are really more of a minor annoyance or hardly mentionable flaw.  Same goes with the positive side...if all you find is negativity and the positives are too small then you mention them for what they are.

What you don't do is try to drum up things to try to create some equal balance in order to appease the readers of a review because they believe a review isn't a review unless it's mostly negative...or mostly positive.

Just state the facts and let the reader make up their own mind.  That being said a review is always going to be created in the eyes of the person doing the review and what they find as an annoyance or what have you, might be something that's right up your alley in terms of play style or what have you.


 

Is it truely unbiased writing when you only write from your perception of things? What you describe the writer doing, is writing from his perception. If the writer didn't perceive there to be much negative, then there wasn't much negative.

That's a whole different argument.  Are you unbiased in your own perceptions or are perceptions themselves biased since they aren't really the truth but more your interpretation?  Sure we could get into that all day if you wanted to.  The point I'm making is that if you are going to write a review you have to do so with an open mind and approach the subject matter from all sides.  Technical aspects can be measured sure but you can't measure fun aside from your own personal take from actually playing the game and that's not going to necessarily be the same as the readers or others who experience the game for themselves either so the best you can do is explain to them how your experience was from your point of view and THAT is what this reviewer did. 

If you want a more technical review then you need someone who spends their time measuring things such as graphics, server lag, combat models, etc.  But that's an entirely different review and usually the people who review such things have an entirely different view of what is "fun".

  nate1980

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10/15/09 12:17:31 PM#58
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by nate1980
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by nate1980
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by indiramourn

I'm not interested in reviews that are all "fluffy kittens" and "happy thoughts".  I want a critique.  I what to hear a critical evaluation of the game--even the best games have issues.  Because ultimately it's whether or not I can tolerate the "issues" with the game that will determine the long-term playability for me.  I found this review far too positive.  And the only place they start to lean critical, the next to the last paragraph, it's more about outside forces on the the game--Gold spam and GM response time--than about game mechanics, etc.

 

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right? 

This is an idiotic mindset and moreover it's what is contributing to the problem of games being rushed out, overhyped, and under delivered to meet an unrealistic expectation.

The review is a solid one and the 8.7 is deserved.  I've played them all just about and I left WoW myself after going through the trend of big hyped up games coming out only to fall flat, heralding a return to WoW.  This time I was very pleasantly surprised and that's even going in with a really pessimistic view.

People need to stop feeling threatened and stop hating on this game just because their worried their game might topple from the number 1 spot.  Who cares.  Enjoy it for what it is.  No one said it was revolutionary, they said it was a new take on an old model and after experiencing it first hand, I'll take it.  It's beautiful, well polished, and has some very interesting and unique features.


 

What kind of mindset is it when you make assumptions about other people?

That poster asked for an honest critique of the game, not an overly negative review. Critiques reveal both the good and the bad. That poster was right that this wasn't a critique, because it didn't systematically reveal the good and the bad of the game. However, a critique would require more thought and would be longer than gamers might want to spend reading a forum. So a critique may not be called for. I wouldn't of minded a critique, nor would that poster you quoted. I'd of found a real critique interesting, even though I've played the game and didn't like it.

 

Really?  Then why don't you give us that critique since you seem to be the expert on what a review is or isn't?


 

To what purpose would a critique serve and what would the benefit be for me? I've already critiqued the game for myself, which lead me to quit the game. Critiquing the game is not my job, nor is there any real benefit to me doing so for a forum full of ungrateful people, who will likely let the thread die in a matter of days, after flaming it to death. The only way I'll spend the effort to write down a critique about something is if I was properly rewarded for it, such as if it was my job, or a grade in school depended on it.

You could have stopped at the "its not my job" part.  Case rested.  And since it isn't your job how are you a credible critic of a review over anyone else?  How can you tell anyone that this review is any better or worse than any other?


 

Do you need to be a Chef to cook a good meal or a Maid to clean your house well? Even if I made a list of reasons why I might be a more credible critic, would you or others believe them? Would it really matter?  People aren't infallible, so there's room for improvement on everything. Whether or not this is a better or worse review than any others isn't really my concern. I do think it's reasonable to expect that reviews are unbiased, because of the reasons reviews are read. After all, who is more likely to get the most use out of a review, the players or the people on the fence? I'm not picking on the reviewer, and my opinion of the review is on the first page of this thread, if you care to reread it.

  nate1980

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10/15/09 12:22:54 PM#59
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by nate1980
Originally posted by mmaize
Originally posted by maji
Originally posted by mmaize

So what your saying is that you want to hear all the "negative" aspects of the game rather than a solid balance of what's good and what's bad?  Too positive obviously equals a conspiracy by Aion fanbois to tilt the curve away from games such as WoW right?

 

Well the good stuff is already mentioned to death at any advertisment of the game, the games fansites, websites etc. So a reliable review must stress the negative stuff.

 

Completely disagree.  Aspects of the game should be told in a non biased and fair manner.  If there are no negative aspects of a game or your having to get to microscopic to look for them then you tell it like it is...that there are really no negative aspects that you could find or that the ones you did find which are this, this, and that, are really more of a minor annoyance or hardly mentionable flaw.  Same goes with the positive side...if all you find is negativity and the positives are too small then you mention them for what they are.

What you don't do is try to drum up things to try to create some equal balance in order to appease the readers of a review because they believe a review isn't a review unless it's mostly negative...or mostly positive.

Just state the facts and let the reader make up their own mind.  That being said a review is always going to be created in the eyes of the person doing the review and what they find as an annoyance or what have you, might be something that's right up your alley in terms of play style or what have you.


 

Is it truely unbiased writing when you only write from your perception of things? What you describe the writer doing, is writing from his perception. If the writer didn't perceive there to be much negative, then there wasn't much negative.

That's a whole different argument.  Are you unbiased in your own perceptions or are perceptions themselves biased since they aren't really the truth but more your interpretation?  Sure we could get into that all day if you wanted to.  The point I'm making is that if you are going to write a review you have to do so with an open mind and approach the subject matter from all sides.  Technical aspects can be measured sure but you can't measure fun aside from your own personal take from actually playing the game and that's not going to necessarily be the same as the readers or others who experience the game for themselves either so the best you can do is explain to them how your experience was from your point of view and THAT is what this reviewer did. 

If you want a more technical review then you need someone who spends their time measuring things such as graphics, server lag, combat models, etc.  But that's an entirely different review and usually the people who review such things have an entirely different view of what is "fun".


 

You had it there for a second, but then lost it in the end. Reviews are supposed to be written with an open-mind and covered from all the different angles, which can only be seen with an open-mind. A point-of-view is only one angle, one perception, and is biased. When you write something from every point-of-view, you've covered all angles and have written an unbiased piece. So you see, by claiming that a professional review should be written with only the reviewers point-of-view, you've lost the main point and contradicted yourself when I thought you figured out the answer for yourself.

  Liltawen

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Posts: 245

10/15/09 12:22:57 PM#60

User rating of 8.2.-I could see that.

Roughly the same as CO, Warhammer(8.2) or a LOTRO(8.4) without the content.

 

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