Real men play Templars... men play Gladiators.

He who tanks and protects the team is the alpha one, like in real life, in wolf packs or anything.

Originally posted by EduardoASG

Real men play Templars... men play Gladiators.

He who tanks and protects the team is the alpha one, like in real life, in wolf packs or anything.

til my sin or ranger destroys your self esteem in pvp.  you guys are nothing without healers.

As a tank I can say that it really helps to be able to mark your own targets. Having someone else do it has me constantly looking around when I could just be moving us to our next target sucks. Templars are by design the font line, I am the puller, I decide when and where I might as well decide who as well.

I do not care what level you are, or how L33T you are. I know for a fact that I AM NOT and this will keep us alive. I am careful and will make sure the party is ready before pulling.

If you wanted to be the leader you should have rolled a Templar. ;) haha J/K

With all of the above said I will never demand the lead. If the party leader does not want to give it up I do not push the issue but unless I am new to an instance or area I will ask. I have also had some really good leaders who were not temps or glads. (especially so with Rangers for some reason)
 

I'm a templar, and i'd say we take the lead just out of nature from previous games/experiences.

I don't necessarily take charge of the entire group's managment or decide what our objectives are, i leave that up to the leader and other group members, but once we get started fighting i'm almost if not always leading the pack and deciding what to pull.

If the  leader wants to lead so he can brand targets thats fine with me, just make sure I get the inital aggro and it's all good.

Originally posted by Rikimaru_X

Alright, even though I'm pure console gamer and I do play mmo's there is something about some templars (and maybe you can add gladiatiors) that I don't understand. If I invite a Temp to a group party, why the hell do some think that they are the instant "alpha-male" of the party all of a sudden? Meaning they take auto lead. Some threw up the argument with me that tank should always lead. This is something I don't agree with. To me, whomever has the crown (party leader) is the lead and shot-caller unless party leader gives that job to another person.

I don't like when it's all my legion and I invite a Tank (outside the legion party) and they pretty much think they run the show, when technically the legion is far more connected to each other than the random. Meaning I don't like some tanks that like to be rouge and expect the party to follow or healer to do things when they are trying to lead a group of people that are far more connected within each other than the person. I even had tanks brag to me about how they were ranked -insert random number- in WoW.

This isn't WoW, I don't care where you were ranked, and I don't care if your famous or not. As long as you work as a team and follow marks it's all good. If I give you the authority to lead the party I will. I don't like when people think they can take over a party and try to make their e-peen bigger by charging at an elete mob, and doing repeats.

Hey, if the tank was party lead, I'm down for it. He's the party leader. If the leader give him shot-caller authority, I'm down with that too. If the guy just gets in the party and shows off without listening or following lead/shot-caller instructions then that's a big no no. I've also had arguments to me that tanks should be party leader anyway.

To me, anybody can be party leader and lead the party, as long as you have the knowledge and observation skills. In my opinion, from a RTS perspective, I would say scout classes and sorc classes (and maybe healer too) to have a much wider range of vision to look out for patrol, additional mobs, opposte faction, etc.

I don't have no hate with Templars or Glads and if they do make a mastake into thinking that they thought they was leading the party, it's all good. I have had many stubborn and ignorant ones in my parties though and I find them more to complain about the party. I had a guy decked out in all crit, blue and gold gear talking about he won't join a party without CC and yet we went though Kaidan HQ with no problems, as long as you know how to lead the party.

most of the time the tank is givin the lead so he can mark the mobs so we know wich order he's going in. Aion is pretty unforgiving when it comes to adds and most pulls have them. on the other hand i have had tanks that didn't want lead and didn't want to have to mark the targets but wanted some one else to. its just alot easier with mobs marked than not marked for wich is being killed in what order. if you have 3 mobs in a pull and all 3 dps are on different ones 2 of the 3 will probably die and more than likely take the healer with them since he would have huge amounts of hate on him trying to heal that many people.

Originally posted by Baggs 

You're an idiot.

 

Templars lead parties because they can tag targets FASTER and choose for THEMSELVES since they will be the ones who will get their ass spanked through the entrire fight.

 

I do make groups myself, but when we actually start killing mobs the Templar or whoever is tanking should have the lead.

It goes faster that way.

 

And no, i don't play a Templar, im a Spiritmaster.

See, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Instead of making a debate, you think Temps should lead and make yourself look like a fool. A temp is nothing without a healer. Thus if I am party leader and the Tank is putting my healer in trouble, I can cut off their heals. Now that is never something I want to do, but I don't have to puppy train a Tank that this is not his time to shine. This is for all of us. Anybody can target mobs faster. Being a tank don't increase your targeting speed. Just because you have the job of getting beat up the most don't mean you should get leader neither. All the classes get beat up in tough PVE groups.

Don't matter who is lead, as long as they got knowledge of what they are doing and how they want to do it. The party will always go faster. Not only that a lot of temps I've played with seem to ignore the respect of most of the players when they need mana also.

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

I'm a templar, and i'd say we take the lead just out of nature from previous games/experiences.

I don't necessarily take charge of the entire group's managment or decide what our objectives are, i leave that up to the leader and other group members, but once we get started fighting i'm almost if not always leading the pack and deciding what to pull.

If the  leader wants to lead so he can brand targets thats fine with me, just make sure I get the inital aggro and it's all good.

See, I fully agree with you. You leave that up to the leader of the party. I never said I don't understand why Temp is leader, even though I can see a reason, but for someone to try to force the leader position that could possibly confuse and fatague the party if another one knows what he is doing and marking for what the Temp needs to tank then its a problem. There are good peeps like you and then there is a few of the bunch that feels they should either lead or quit.

well templars are meant to take aggro on themselves & tank

Many a times I join any random group I find myself leading it .But think it in a diffent ways.

A soc /spirit master or ranger needs a fooder/bait and a templar /gald is the best one

I think its the close melee gameplay mechanics that overrides and templars start taking control of the grp.

totally the worst choice to let the tank chose mobs , just becouse they will go for the thoughest one first wich for the rest of the party is the wors't scenario ( take kaidan example always but always in every party that i didn't lead the tank sleeped the ranger and killed the tank wich is proven to be a huge mistake becouse when the range wakes up he kills the sorc then goes to healers ignoring the tank ) i usually put marks in parties i am in , and i am a sin , is easyer for me to see a clear view of the battlefield becouse i only have to do dmg , the tank has to keep aggro , and cc all mobs in area of him , sorc has too cc ads and keep sleep , cleric/chanter have to heal tank and others if take aggro , so untill now the best option for aion parties has been that a full DD apoints targets becouse he is more relaxed , and is a naturall thing for a dd to kill easier ( by that means ranger/caster tipe mobs) and then tanks wich again is a wining order atleast for aion elite areas.

But in the end the leader of the party has to be someone who knows how to appoint the targets , who knows the area , has experience  in leading ppl  and has a least some idea of what mobs are arround him and what dmg they do, and that doesn't mean it has to be the tank