You know if you look at my signature, you can pretty much read how I feel about the MMO genre in gaming as a whole.

You see no matter how good a game might be, if you play it long enough you're bond to get tired of it and want to try something else, the problem I've seen in MMOs is there really isn't anything else good to try out, and every time you join a new and upcoming MMO bandwagon you end up realizing developers in this genre still really don't know what they're doing.

WoW has pretty much become the definition of what MMOs are, remember back in the 80s you never said you're playing a video game instead said you're playing Nintendo? Well today, if you mention to a console gamer or non-gamer you're playing an MMO they might not even know what you're talking about, but if you say you're playing WoW they know exactly what you mean. Now a lot of older MMO gamers will complain how WoW wasn't the first of it's kind, but then again Nintendo was not the first video gaming console made ever now was it?

The problem with today's MMO genre in my opinion is its still in its adolescence, the genre's newer MMOs in it on themselves still don't know what they want to be when they grow up...0o

The MMO gamer right now is a starved sort, whose played WoW, realized this is as good as MMOs will get for a while, and has decided to blame everything on this one game for being good at what it does.

WoW is a great game and arguably the best MMO out right now, but it's been around for way too long on top.....For instance as an FPS gamer myself one thing I'm very happy about considering that genre is at least there's variety in it.

If I don't like Halo (and I'm a Halo hater) I can play CoD, if I don't like that I can play Crysis, if i want a smart FPS I can play Half-Life 2...If I want a little RPG in my game I can play Bioshock, if I want a lot of RPG to the point it's no longer considered a shooter I can play Fallout 3...and it just goes on and on.

But when it comes to MMOs, bringing up another FPS example, we're pretty much stuck in the mid 90s where every other shooter is a Doom clone....In MMO terms....a WoW clone....0o

..and to all those that say EQ defined what the WoWclone is today...well Wolfenstein was the defining game considering what Doom and every other Doom clone use to be....0o

....

You know I think the day another MMOs comes out to prove it's worth even comparing to a massive game like WoW, 90% of the WoW hating will cease complaining. Sure you'll have a period where a bunch of 12 year old haters will start spamming on these and the WoW forums:

"FUCK YEAHHHH, WE'RE FREE BITCHES WE'RE FREE, THANK THE LORD WE'RE FREE...DING DONG THE BITCH ASS WOW IS FINALLY FUCKING DEADDDDDDDDD!!!///SPIT//SPIT...GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE."

(Even though WoW will never die, and WoW2 will again come out in the future to repeat the cycle again...lolz)

But once that happens the MMO genre will finally reach balance, there will be variety, and WoW will be respected from even the haters for being at least one of the better MMOs of its time....hmmmm

I agree completely, a very well thought out post. I look forward to the day when WoW is toppled. Not because it "deserves" to be toppled or is ruining the industry, but because that event will signal an advancement of the genre as a whole.

To say WoW is the best the genre can do is a best non-sensicle. Sure, it has the most numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the "best". These are console systems where there are only two or three out at any given time. MMOs have direction and there are plenty of variety as long a you know where to look.

Originally posted by luciusETRUR

To say WoW is the best the genre can do is a best non-sensicle. Sure, it has the most numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the "best". These are console systems where there are only two or three out at any given time. MMOs have direction and there are plenty of variety as long a you know where to look.

Saying it's the best MMO out right now is what I'd consider it....but even you or anyone else has to agree it's very popular for a reason and it's ranking is up there.

Look at it this way, even the video game critic Nazi Yahtzee says WoW is as good as it gets...and that guy hates MMOs and 80% of all games...lol

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, OP.

Bottom line is money!  Blizzard does something that most other publishers can't/won't do.  When Blizzard decides to make a game, they set a budget and they live or die by that budget.  Blizzard has shelved several game titles and one of several reasons why they will shelf a title is if it turns out to be more expensive than what they think it will cost to do what they consider, "RIGHT!"  Blizzard will shelve a game long before they will release a game half baked. 

It is sobbering to think that Blizzard made WoW in five years and stuck to their budget of $35 million.  Today, games get released that have far bigger budgets than $35 and are released in 2-3 years, yet they can't hold 200,000 concurrent subscribers, much less the numbers that WoW has.  Does that make other games bad?  No.  It just means other games need to limit the size of the game and let it grow over time.  It is reported that a couple MMOs being created right now are over $150m in budget.  That is just insane and the concurrent subscriber base to maintain the justification of that expenditure is mind blowing.  They will have to have WoW like concurrent subscriber numbers, or the game will be considered a financial failure.  To me, they need to stop trying to be like WoW and start acting like Blizzard.  There is a difference.

Originally posted by Shannia

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, OP.

Bottom line is money!  Blizzard does something that most other publishers can't/won't do.  When Blizzard decides to make a game, they set a budget and they live or die by that budget.   

You know even if a gaming company has a lot of tome and money, they can still come up with shit...want a perfect example:

Duke Nukem Forever...0o

...

Oh and even with a small budget you can make a great game...perfect example:

Portal

I'm sorry but I don't agree with this argument, the problem isn't the funding...it's the simple fact that these developers don't know what they're doing...=/

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Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by luciusETRUR

To say WoW is the best the genre can do is a best non-sensicle. Sure, it has the most numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the "best". These are console systems where there are only two or three out at any given time. MMOs have direction and there are plenty of variety as long a you know where to look.

 

Saying it's the best MMO out right now is what I'd consider it....but even you or anyone else has to agree it's very popular for a reason and it's ranking is up there.

Look at it this way, even the video game critic Nazi Yahtzee says WoW is as good as it gets...and that guy hates MMOs and 80% of all games...lol

 

Heh, Yahtzee hates EVE, which utterly invalidates his opinion about any other game including WOW in my eyes.  In fact, if he likes it, game is deficient in many ways.  (which it is).

That which makes it popular does not make it good, at least to a player with my tastes. 

I'll agree, most new games have been poor, mostly because they try to be WOW, and you just can't do that and create a successful game.

Developers need to try to do something different (and perhaps some are about do do so), in order to really carve a new niche in the market.  (and get say, 1M steady subs))

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by luciusETRUR

To say WoW is the best the genre can do is a best non-sensicle. Sure, it has the most numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the "best". These are console systems where there are only two or three out at any given time. MMOs have direction and there are plenty of variety as long a you know where to look.

 

Saying it's the best MMO out right now is what I'd consider it....but even you or anyone else has to agree it's very popular for a reason and it's ranking is up there.

Look at it this way, even the video game critic Nazi Yahtzee says WoW is as good as it gets...and that guy hates MMOs and 80% of all games...lol

 

 

Heh, Yahtzee hates EVE, which utterly invalidates his opinion about any other game including WOW in my eyes.  In fact, if he likes it, game is deficient in many ways.  (which it is).

That which makes it popular does not make it good, at least to a player with my tastes. 

I'll agree, most new games have been poor, mostly because they try to be WOW, and you just can't do that and create a successful game.

Developers need to try to do something different (and perhaps some are about do do so), in order to really carve a new niche in the market.  (and get say, 1M steady subs))

 

I agree with Yahtzee...EvE is boring...=/

EvE is a niche game and nothing else.

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by Shannia

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, OP.

Bottom line is money!  Blizzard does something that most other publishers can't/won't do.  When Blizzard decides to make a game, they set a budget and they live or die by that budget.   

 

You know even if a gaming company has a lot of tome and money, they can still come up with shit...want a perfect example:

Duke Nukem Forever...0o

...

Oh and even with a small budget you can make a great game...perfect example:

Portal

I'm sorry but I don't agree with this argument, the problem isn't the funding...it's the simple fact that these developers don't know what they're doing...=/

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That was my point if you would have read my entire post instead of just the opening line.

I take the time to read your entire post and agree with you.  You read the first line of my post, and trash what I have to say.  Thank you for your consideration and time.

I can't deny WoW is good for what it is, the thing is its just not for me.  I subbed off and on for a total of like 14 months in 3 years. I was jumping around trying to find something better than FFXI and WoW and let me tell you I was looking in all the wrong places.   Ive probably played every P2P game ever released in some way or another and I have a graveyard of mmo boxes sitting next to my desk.

But I'll tell you why I hate WoW and not just wow all devs that make these thempark games to try and compete.

I think the success of WoW has made other devs want a piece of the pie then they start pumping out all these Themepark games. Thus flooding the genre full of tons and tons of crap games IMO.  People say WoW did a good thing by bringing more people to the Genre.  Yes they did bring people to the genre but they brought the Themepark crowd to the genre and not the sandbox crowd which I think we need more people that are interested in that type of game. The reason being is that not many companies have the balls to make sandbox games cuz they want success.  Yes we've gotten Darkfall recently but its just not my type of game either. So unless sandbox games start getting more popular all were going to see is the same thing different graphics and story with a little new feature added.

So now every person that WoW was the first MMO will compare every game to WoW and a lot of people  like to step out of their comfort zones to try something different.  Which I used to be like that save it was with FFXI instead of WoW but I recently have just been fed up with the same old same old  and tried Ryzom and I was just blown away.  How can a game so complex and in depth not be popular. It came out a few months before WoW did and stayed its course which im thankful for. 

But I guess eventually people will end up getting bored of the same shit different smell and be more open minded about games and try something new and different. Then we can finally make some progress in these genre.

 yep starcraft gost wont be released etc,its true that blizzard would rater sleep with their unreleased game then lunch it at an improper time .oh it must annoy activision investor to no end but since blizzard asnt lost money in a freaking long time

activision will keep its trap shut about blizzard intern decision

hell if i was the boss of activision i would ask tip from blizzard lol on how to expend in the right direction 

without intruding in blizzard market

I'm just wondering why the thousands of previous threads with the same topic weren't good enough.

I want to have a discussion about why we need to keep going over this again and again and again.

Have people just given up on reading posts that are already out there?

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by luciusETRUR

To say WoW is the best the genre can do is a best non-sensicle. Sure, it has the most numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the "best". These are console systems where there are only two or three out at any given time. MMOs have direction and there are plenty of variety as long a you know where to look.

 

Saying it's the best MMO out right now is what I'd consider it....but even you or anyone else has to agree it's very popular for a reason and it's ranking is up there.

Look at it this way, even the video game critic Nazi Yahtzee says WoW is as good as it gets...and that guy hates MMOs and 80% of all games...lol

 

 

Heh, Yahtzee hates EVE, which utterly invalidates his opinion about any other game including WOW in my eyes.  In fact, if he likes it, game is deficient in many ways.  (which it is).

That which makes it popular does not make it good, at least to a player with my tastes. 

I'll agree, most new games have been poor, mostly because they try to be WOW, and you just can't do that and create a successful game.

Developers need to try to do something different (and perhaps some are about do do so), in order to really carve a new niche in the market.  (and get say, 1M steady subs))

 

 

I agree with Yahtzee...EvE is boring...=/

 

EvE is a niche game and nothing else.

half a million peopel disagree with you, so back and toy with your korean grind fest

Originally posted by Shannia

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by Shannia

I agree with a lot of what you are saying, OP.

Bottom line is money!  Blizzard does something that most other publishers can't/won't do.  When Blizzard decides to make a game, they set a budget and they live or die by that budget.   

 

You know even if a gaming company has a lot of tome and money, they can still come up with shit...want a perfect example:

Duke Nukem Forever...0o

...

Oh and even with a small budget you can make a great game...perfect example:

Portal

I'm sorry but I don't agree with this argument, the problem isn't the funding...it's the simple fact that these developers don't know what they're doing...=/

=/

 

That was my point if you would have read my entire post instead of just the opening line.

I take the time to read your entire post and agree with you.  You read the first line of my post, and trash what I have to say.  Thank you for your consideration and time.

 

Oh I'm sorry about that,  I've just heard that argument I thought you were bringing up so many times I brush it by in bad habit.

Anyways, it's happened to me a lot of times to and you just have to watch how you word your first paragraph...that's just something I learned the hard way...=/

Sorry about that though.

Originally posted by Lilan

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by luciusETRUR

To say WoW is the best the genre can do is a best non-sensicle. Sure, it has the most numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the "best". These are console systems where there are only two or three out at any given time. MMOs have direction and there are plenty of variety as long a you know where to look.

 

Saying it's the best MMO out right now is what I'd consider it....but even you or anyone else has to agree it's very popular for a reason and it's ranking is up there.

Look at it this way, even the video game critic Nazi Yahtzee says WoW is as good as it gets...and that guy hates MMOs and 80% of all games...lol

 

 

Heh, Yahtzee hates EVE, which utterly invalidates his opinion about any other game including WOW in my eyes.  In fact, if he likes it, game is deficient in many ways.  (which it is).

That which makes it popular does not make it good, at least to a player with my tastes. 

I'll agree, most new games have been poor, mostly because they try to be WOW, and you just can't do that and create a successful game.

Developers need to try to do something different (and perhaps some are about do do so), in order to really carve a new niche in the market.  (and get say, 1M steady subs))

 

 

I agree with Yahtzee...EvE is boring...=/

 

EvE is a niche game and nothing else.

 

half a million peopel disagree with you, so back and toy with your korean grind fest

half a million people on earth also probably find cross eyed people sexy...so what's your point??

Anyways you really want to bring sub numbers into this argument....and the thread has something to do with WoW? lol

Umm..yeah this is just to easy....XP

Originally posted by Lilan

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Jackio81

Originally posted by luciusETRUR

To say WoW is the best the genre can do is a best non-sensicle. Sure, it has the most numbers, but that doesn't mean it's the "best". These are console systems where there are only two or three out at any given time. MMOs have direction and there are plenty of variety as long a you know where to look.

 

Saying it's the best MMO out right now is what I'd consider it....but even you or anyone else has to agree it's very popular for a reason and it's ranking is up there.

Look at it this way, even the video game critic Nazi Yahtzee says WoW is as good as it gets...and that guy hates MMOs and 80% of all games...lol

 

 

Heh, Yahtzee hates EVE, which utterly invalidates his opinion about any other game including WOW in my eyes.  In fact, if he likes it, game is deficient in many ways.  (which it is).

That which makes it popular does not make it good, at least to a player with my tastes. 

I'll agree, most new games have been poor, mostly because they try to be WOW, and you just can't do that and create a successful game.

Developers need to try to do something different (and perhaps some are about do do so), in order to really carve a new niche in the market.  (and get say, 1M steady subs))

 

 

I agree with Yahtzee...EvE is boring...=/

 

EvE is a niche game and nothing else.

 

half a million peopel disagree with you, so back and toy with your korean grind fest

It's 300k, including botters and people who own multiple accounts after 7 years of growth.

Listen I have nothing against Eve, I find it appealing in its own way which pretty much gives it niche appeal in my consideration.

But if you're going to come out like a hardcore Eve fanboi and compare it with a game I at least did enjoy.

I will talk back and win the argument while making you look silly...and trust me I'm a very witty mofo you don't want to mess with...=P

OK so, are we going to get back on subject..hmm...=/

You are not going to see a true WoW competitor come along until all existing clone attempts have run their course. This is what happens in every industry. After something innovative appears (UO), someone polishes the product (WoW), and then scores of knock-offs arrive in an attempt to repeat the "formula" for less money.

Right now we are in the phase of market evolution where plenty of half-ass businessmen are trying to get rich by using as little effort (cost) as possible.

Eventually, true innovation will return, I just hope we are still young enough and interested enough to see it.

I do not think that WOW and EVE should be compared at all, only thing they have in common is that they are MMO, nothing else, thouse 2 are tottaly different games and they attract different people. I myself think that EVE is best space MMO out, but I will have to agree that WOW is best fantasy MMO at the moment, there are others, yes, and some have come close and maybe if Blizzard would stop expanding WOW they would overtrown WOW, but I think that is not gonna happen. Blizzard is not gonna stop expanding WOW, I do not believe they will stop even after they publish (if) WOW2

Here we go again. What does this make it thread 1,000th by now of this same old garbage? Shut the hell up and play your damn game. Why do so many of you really give a shit what others think? Seriously, be a leader for a change and not a SHEEPIL! (in case your uneducated that means follower in layman terms).