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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,562101,00.html Wow! Im Inpressed. If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. |
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10/08/09 7:54:06 AM#2
They are spreading like the plague in third world countries. |
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10/08/09 7:59:38 AM#3
Originally posted by Precusor
It's where religion works best. In poor, weak, and uneducated minds. |
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10/08/09 8:43:31 AM#4
Looks like we'll need a whole lot of body bags.
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10/08/09 11:29:51 AM#5
Originally posted by Sabiancym
It's where religion works best. In poor, weak, and uneducated minds.
Interesting how the guy who calls ME arrogant would make such a disgusting comment about his fellow human beings. Pure hypocrisy and classic liberal elitism. |
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10/08/09 11:51:27 AM#6
Originally posted by Fishermage
Interesting how the guy who calls ME arrogant would make such a disgusting comment about his fellow human beings. Pure hypocrisy and classic liberal elitism.
Well it's true: Where do uneducated people have to turn, but religion? Religion was created to maintain order and develop some sort of creation myth to justify it's authority. Before Christianity and Judaism there was Zoroastrianism, yet none of the aforementioned have ever given due credit to it... People can manage just fine without religion: Ethics, morals, empathy and sympathy can be learned and don't require the belief in myths. Science can approach physics a lot better than religion can, since it's basis is based on more sophisticated logic and reasoning than the religions of old that were reliant on tradition and fiction; the big bang and other theories of creation don't necessitate rituals and the exclusion of others who don't follow them. Without formal education there is no other explanation for anything other than what has been handed down in the community: Tradition and religion.
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10/08/09 12:21:25 PM#7
And that it is how it starts. I'm guessing 6 pages by tomorrow around this time. |
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10/08/09 8:55:41 PM#8
Originally posted by //\\//\\oo
Interesting how the guy who calls ME arrogant would make such a disgusting comment about his fellow human beings. Pure hypocrisy and classic liberal elitism.
Well it's true: Where do uneducated people have to turn, but religion? Religion was created to maintain order and develop some sort of creation myth to justify it's authority. Before Christianity and Judaism there was Zoroastrianism, yet none of the aforementioned have ever given due credit to it... People can manage just fine without religion: Ethics, morals, empathy and sympathy can be learned and don't require the belief in myths. Science can approach physics a lot better than religion can, since it's basis is based on more sophisticated logic and reasoning than the religions of old that were reliant on tradition and fiction; the big bang and other theories of creation don't necessitate rituals and the exclusion of others who don't follow them. Without formal education there is no other explanation for anything other than what has been handed down in the community: Tradition and religion.
However, some of the most ignorant people I have ever met are atheists. We have many on this forum. Also, some of the most intelligent and knowledgeable people I have known were religious as well. I see no correlation between ignorance and religion. I do see a large correlation between atheism and arrogance (ignorance too). Also, every society with atheism as a founding principle has been a slave society. Sounds like the most ignorant people in the world are/were atheists. People don't seem to manage fine without religion at all -- it seems they quickly degrade into decadence and murder without religion. Maybe on some other planet things are different, but not here on earth. I see religion as having brought literacy as a value, an end to slavery, and the notion of human equality. Atheists have either been non-existent, or sat on the sidelines throughout all great intellectual and ethical movements in history. they are still largely out of it. I know of no great atheist who is out there doing anything but attacking religion and defending atheism. None seem to be actually making society a better place in any way, shape or form. Pretty much everyone out there changing things, making the world something better, are doing so because they also believe it is God's will. Sure there's more than enough evil to go around coming from religion, but pretty much every good thing we have (socially speaking) comes from it as well. I consider that hardly ignorant. Either way to even make the statement Sabian made, and you supporting it, shows you to be assuming taht someone is more ignorant than both of you. I'm sorry I don't see you as being any better. Ignorant, because only someone very ignorant would generalize people in such a way. That is far more ignorant than choosing a faith. Anyway, when you discover a society founded by atheists that isn't a sluaghterhouse of humanity I'll be happy to look at it. So far, it hasn't happened. |
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10/08/09 9:03:18 PM#9
Four main religions in the world with a number of misc ones. The buddist ones can get confusing as they can have more than one each, kinda splits up fairly even though it seems. |
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10/08/09 9:50:55 PM#10
Originally posted by Sabiancym
It's where religion works best. In poor, weak, and uneducated minds.
This is true. One can only imagine how much more civilized our society would be if it wasn't for religion. |
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10/08/09 9:55:25 PM#11
Originally posted by Gameloading
This is true. One can only imagine how much more civilized our society would be if it wasn't for religion. So says the one who doesn't read books. |
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10/08/09 10:08:37 PM#12
Originally posted by Fishermage So, in a nut shell you think only religious people are altruistic and that it is necessary to believe in god to contribute to the world. # Julius Axelrod (1912–2004): American Nobel Prize winning biochemist, noted for his work on the release and reuptake of catecholamine neurotransmitters and major contributions to the understanding of the pineal gland and how it is regulated during the sleep-wake cycle.[2] # Patrick Blackett OM, CH, FRS (1897–1974): Nobel Prize winning English experimental physicist known for his work on cloud chambers, cosmic rays, and paleomagnetism.[6] # Sir Hermann Bondi KCB, FRS (1919–2005): Anglo-Austrian mathematician and cosmologist, best known for co-developing the steady-state theory of the universe and important contributions to the theory of general relativity.[8][9]#
# Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar (1910–1995): Indian American astrophysicist known for his theoretical work on the structure and evolution of stars. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1983.[14] # William Kingdon Clifford FRS (1845–1879): English mathematician and philosopher, co-introducer of geometric algebra, the first to suggest that gravitation might be a manifestation of an underlying geometry, and coiner of the expression "mind-stuff".[15] # Francis Crick (1916–2004): English molecular biologist, physicist, and neuroscientist; noted for being one of the co-discoverers of the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1962.[18][19][20][21][22][23][24] # Arnaud Denjoy (1884–1974): French mathematician, noted for his contributions to harmonic analysis and differential equations.[27] # Paul Dirac (1902–1984): British theoretical physicist, one of the founders of quantum mechanics, predicted the existence of antimatter, and won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1933.[28][29] # Richard Feynman (1918–1988): American theoretical physicist, best known for his work in renormalizing Quantum electrodynamics (QED) and his path integral formulation of quantum mechanics . He won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965.[33][34] # Vitaly Ginzburg (1916–): Russian theoretical physicist and astrophysicist who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2003. He was also awarded the Wolf Prize in Physics in 1994/95.[38] # G. H. Hardy (1877–1947): a prominent English mathematician, known for his achievements in number theory and mathematical analysis.[45][46] # Peter Higgs (1929–): British theoretical physicist, recipient of the Dirac Medal and Prize, known for his prediction of the existence of a new particle, the Higgs boson, nicknamed the "God particle".[47] # Frédéric Joliot-Curie (1900–1958): French physicist and Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1935.[51][52] # Harold Kroto (1939–): 1996 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry.[55] # Sir John Leslie (1766–1832): Scottish mathematician and physicist best remembered for his research into heat; he was the first person to artificially produce ice, and gave the first modern account of capillary action.[58] # Sir Peter Medawar (1915–1987): Nobel Prize-winning British scientist best known for his work on how the immune system rejects or accepts tissue transplants.[63] # Peter D. Mitchell (1920–1992): 1978-Nobel-laureate British biochemist. Atheist mother, and himself atheist from age 15.[67] # Hermann Joseph Muller (1890–1967): American geneticist and educator, best known for his work on the physiological and genetic effects of radiation (X-ray mutagenesis). He won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1946.[72] # Linus Pauling (1901–1994): American chemist, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry (1954) and Peace (1962)[29][75] # Francis Perrin (1901–1992): French physicist, co-establisher the possibility of nuclear chain reactions and nuclear energy production.[78] Atheism can mean the lack of belief as well as the belief that there are no deities. That list is incomplete by the way: There are many, many more, but I'm sure you wouldn't care, since you think none of them contributed to society. Societies founded by atheists? Not many, but our great nation was partially founded by deists who rejected Christianity and religion.
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10/08/09 10:20:48 PM#13
Originally posted by Gameloading
This is true. One can only imagine how much more civilized our society would be if it wasn't for religion.
No doubt we'd drop the charade and kill each other in the name of more money
And when you watch as your children starve it would be easier than you might think as is the case in the worst of the third world |
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10/08/09 10:25:23 PM#14
Originally posted by Gameloading
This is true. One can only imagine how much more civilized our society would be if it wasn't for religion.
Yeah your right, cause only religion makes humans selfish, greedy, and want to kill each other. Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time. If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day. AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD |
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10/08/09 10:28:14 PM#15
Originally posted by Precusor
It is spreading in all countries. Hold on Snow Leopard, imma let you finish, but Windows had one of the best operating systems of all time. If the Powerball lottery was like Lotro, nobody would win for 2 years, and then everyone in Nebraska would win on the same day. AMD 4800 2.4ghz-3GB RAM 533mhz-EVGA 9500GT 512mb-320gb HD |
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10/08/09 10:33:50 PM#16
Originally posted by Arndur
This is true. One can only imagine how much more civilized our society would be if it wasn't for religion.
Yeah your right, cause only religion makes humans selfish, greedy, and want to kill each other. Yeah because that's really what I meant, right? I wonder what loops of logic you had to jump through to come tot hat conclussion. |
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10/08/09 10:45:40 PM#17
Originally posted by Gameloading
That experiment was tried and failed miserably. |
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10/08/09 10:52:10 PM#18
Originally posted by Fishermage
Well it's true: Where do uneducated people have to turn, but religion? Religion was created to maintain order and develop some sort of creation myth to justify it's authority. Before Christianity and Judaism there was Zoroastrianism, yet none of the aforementioned have ever given due credit to it... People can manage just fine without religion: Ethics, morals, empathy and sympathy can be learned and don't require the belief in myths. Science can approach physics a lot better than religion can, since it's basis is based on more sophisticated logic and reasoning than the religions of old that were reliant on tradition and fiction; the big bang and other theories of creation don't necessitate rituals and the exclusion of others who don't follow them. Without formal education there is no other explanation for anything other than what has been handed down in the community: Tradition and religion.
However, some of the most ignorant people I have ever met are atheists. We have many on this forum. Also, some of the most intelligent and knowledgeable people I have known were religious as well.
Notice the words "Nobel Prize" 20+ times on that page?
Of course you think atheists are ignorant. You believe in a god.
However, since I to can define ignorance, most of the most ignorant people I've ever met believed in god. The more belief they have the more ignorant they are.
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10/08/09 10:54:00 PM#19
Originally posted by //\\//\\oo So, in a nut shell you think only religious people are altruistic and that it is necessary to believe in god to contribute to the world. # Julius Axelrod (1912–2004): American Nobel Prize winning biochemist, noted for his work on the release and reuptake of catecholamine neurotransmitters and major contributions to the understanding of the pineal gland and how it is regulated during the sleep-wake cycle.[2] # Patrick Blackett OM, CH, FRS (1897–1974): Nobel Prize winning English experimental physicist known for his work on cloud chambers, cosmic rays, and paleomagnetism.[6] # Sir Hermann Bondi KCB, FRS (1919–2005): Anglo-Austrian mathematician and cosmologist, best known for co-developing the steady-state theory of the universe and important contributions to the theory of general relativity.[8][9]#
# Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar (1910–1995): Indian American astrophysicist known for his theoretical work on the structure and evolution of stars. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1983.[14] # William Kingdon Clifford FRS (1845–1879): English mathematician and philosopher, co-introducer of geometric algebra, the first to suggest that gravitation might be a manifestation of an underlying geometry, and coiner of the expression "mind-stuff".[15] # Francis Crick (1916–2004): English molecular biologist, physicist, and neuroscientist; noted for being one of the co-discoverers of the structure of the DNA molecule in 1953. He was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1962.[18][19][20][21][22][23][24] # Arnaud Denjoy (1884–1974): French mathematician, noted for his contributions to harmonic analysis and differential equations.[27] # Paul Dirac (1902–1984): British theoretical physicist, one of the founders of quantum mechanics, predicted the existence of antimatter, and won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1933.[28][29] # Richard Feynman (1918–1988): American theoretical physicist, best known for his work in renormalizing Quantum electrodynamics (QED) and his path integral formulation of quantum mechanics . He won the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1965.[33][34] # Vitaly Ginzburg (1916–): Russian theoretical physicist and astrophysicist who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 2003. He was also awarded the Wolf Prize in Physics in 1994/95.[38] # G. H. Hardy (1877–1947): a prominent English mathematician, known for his achievements in number theory and mathematical analysis.[45][46] # Peter Higgs (1929–): British theoretical physicist, recipient of the Dirac Medal and Prize, known for his prediction of the existence of a new particle, the Higgs boson, nicknamed the "God particle".[47] # Frédéric Joliot-Curie (1900–1958): French physicist and Nobel Laureate in Chemistry in 1935.[51][52] # Harold Kroto (1939–): 1996 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry.[55] # Sir John Leslie (1766–1832): Scottish mathematician and physicist best remembered for his research into heat; he was the first person to artificially produce ice, and gave the first modern account of capillary action.[58] # Sir Peter Medawar (1915–1987): Nobel Prize-winning British scientist best known for his work on how the immune system rejects or accepts tissue transplants.[63] # Peter D. Mitchell (1920–1992): 1978-Nobel-laureate British biochemist. Atheist mother, and himself atheist from age 15.[67] # Hermann Joseph Muller (1890–1967): American geneticist and educator, best known for his work on the physiological and genetic effects of radiation (X-ray mutagenesis). He won the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine in 1946.[72] # Linus Pauling (1901–1994): American chemist, Nobel Laureate in Chemistry (1954) and Peace (1962)[29][75] # Francis Perrin (1901–1992): French physicist, co-establisher the possibility of nuclear chain reactions and nuclear energy production.[78] Atheism can mean the lack of belief as well as the belief that there are no deities. That list is incomplete by the way: There are many, many more, but I'm sure you wouldn't care, since you think none of them contributed to society. Societies founded by atheists? The good old USA. Some of the founding fathers were nontheists, so I'm sure those evil abominations were the cause of the downfall of our great country.
Sorry I was speaking in the social context -- scince taht was the context YOU had drawn. I qualified it later. You gave me scientists in the physical sciences. Also, you show no evidence that their morality was atheistic. None. Try again. Show me atheists that are out there making the world a better place. Not scientists making discoveries, which is a great thing, and plenty of folks of all belief systems are doing. That has nothing to do with the context. The fact that you couldn't find ONE person who fit what I was talking about was very telling (I can actually think of a few better examples than you gave). America was started by rational theists. Every one of them. They were Christians, Deists, and Unitarians. ALL were theists, and believed religion was necessary for civil, free society to exist at all, let alone flourish. However NAME ONE who was a nontheist. You have utterly failed to make the case in all areas. Once again it just shows YOUR ignorance, not the ignorance of religious people.
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10/08/09 10:58:44 PM#20
Originally posted by Sabiancym
Well it's true: Where do uneducated people have to turn, but religion? Religion was created to maintain order and develop some sort of creation myth to justify it's authority. Before Christianity and Judaism there was Zoroastrianism, yet none of the aforementioned have ever given due credit to it... People can manage just fine without religion: Ethics, morals, empathy and sympathy can be learned and don't require the belief in myths. Science can approach physics a lot better than religion can, since it's basis is based on more sophisticated logic and reasoning than the religions of old that were reliant on tradition and fiction; the big bang and other theories of creation don't necessitate rituals and the exclusion of others who don't follow them. Without formal education there is no other explanation for anything other than what has been handed down in the community: Tradition and religion.
However, some of the most ignorant people I have ever met are atheists. We have many on this forum. Also, some of the most intelligent and knowledgeable people I have known were religious as well.
Notice the words "Nobel Prize" 20+ times on that page?
Of course you think atheists are ignorant. You believe in a god.
However, since I to can define ignorance, most of the most ignorant people I've ever met believed in god. The more belief they have the more ignorant they are.
Actually I know plenty of smart atheists. You are not one of them. Please reread what I wrote. Note the word "some." Obviously you have some difficulties. I am not saying EITHER group is ignorant. You are, which shows your own ignorance.
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