Let people call it a grind if they want, they simply mean it's boring. What's the problem if you yourself enjoy it. What, does it hurt that much to see other people having different opinions?

Seriously, does EVERY fucking thread I see in a game forum need to contain debates, even in topics that has nothing with that to do. I know my little comment won't change anything, but let me express my opinion.

Back to topic, 2 weeks of constant playing to reach lv50 is quite a lot compared to the latest MMORPG, isn't it? I wouldn't blame people calling it a grind if they just want to reach "end game". I've been playing since headstart and lately reached lv24, I got a long way to go, akak. I'm not hating the game if you think so, I quite like it.

Originally posted by Mattyb710

I'm LOL'ing at anyone who thinks a single person played each character.

me too, gold farmer boys characters. def

Originally posted by Cammy

http://uk.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?charID=33924&serverID=38

http://uk.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?charID=3349&serverID=38

 

Was originally posted on aionsource

http://www.aionsource.com/forum/aion-discussion/74297-two-first-level-50s.html 

repeat after me .... BOTERS! ..c`mon dont be shy

I know for a fact that Pengu, the 50 on my server, played his own character at all times that it was played.. he just didn't stop playing.

Crazy beast and he's a human who speaks words, too.

I'm kind of the opposite of people that call this game a grind who run out of quests. I usually find questing to level a grind and rather kill mobs solo or grouped. I'm still doing quests, but I kind of have too many quests. Lets say I have a quest to kill 10 mobs, well I end up killing like 80 of them, lol.

A grind is really only if you find it boring.

Nice! I gotta say I feel abit sorry for them for rushing through the content but grats none the less! lol

People who call Aion a grind just define grinding different (different is wrong in this case).

I call grinding killing mobs for EXP. to level up.

Quests, what ever the goal is, are not to be called grinding IMHO.

(This all In the case of 'grinding' being defined as something negative)

Many people who say Aion is an endless grind see the quests as grinds because they have to kill or gather x mobs/drops.
I would like to welcome these people to their, apparently, first MMO!!! Also, if they did not like this way of playing, I really advise these people to stop their MMO journey right now and never play any MMO ever again. Because the goals of most quests in pretty much all MMO's are in fact to kill x mobs and gather x items, with the occasional find / explore this person / place. This hasn't changed since the very first MMO.

lol, the trolls are losing..bots my ass

Originally posted by Jimmydean

You call it a Linear Themepark and yet you can't even find the quests in it? Must not be that linear. I just hit level 35 and I have not grinded ONCE. I've been doing quests all the way up + I did nochsana training camp when I could. That was good fun. SERIOUSLY people, you are contradicting yourselves.

You say its a linear grindfest, but that's only because you are playing it like a linear game when it is not. GO EXPLORE. Find the quests, the only reason you are grinding is because you are expecting it to hand you the quests and lead you from hub to hub just like game-that-must-not-be-named.  Get a clue.

  It is not? Really? How many places are there to level at 23? There's Morheim and a section of Brusthonin, both of which are entirely linear. The quests gives on average  30k exp (equal to less than 6 mobs my level) and totaled 64 (20-24), while the level exp requirements are upwards of 1.5 million. 30000 * 64 => one level's worth of quests in that interval. In addition to the aforementioned I also completed all of the BC quests. There IS NO WAY TO AVOID GRINDING BETWEEN 20-25. I doubt you have ever played the game yourself, since everybody I've talked to in game has told me the same thing.

   I suppose that you enjoy spreading lies to save your game, although if the game were any good I doubt you would ever have had the need to make them.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

And people call this a grind.

I dont think its a grind but no offense this is a major ignorant comment, since you have picked up the topic of L2, when LUNA the EU server opened within 2 weeks there were ppl at lvl 76 which was the cap back then, are you saying that L2 has no grind?

Weather they have botted or not does not matter, if someone played for 2 weeks solid, with more than one person playing or simply playing for full days they will get to the top. There are some crazy ppl out there whose only goal was to get to 50 as fast as possible and probably got more than one person playing their accounts maximizing the gaming time. This happens with every MMO release hell I remember WoW, the first couple of L60 on my server where ppl who had like 2-3 ppl playing their characters and they got there in record time.

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by Zandora2018

Originally posted by ghost047

Originally posted by select20

Originally posted by Bagguns

Originally posted by Zandora2018

LOL here comes all the QQing about the grind. I really glad to see ppl max lvl after a few weeks out. Goes to show all those QQer's that there very little grind in this game. And now that they upped the xp for quest will see lots more max ppl out there in the abyss. Game on !

 

The only people that will be level 50 this soon are the ones who have played 24/7 since the headstart. 

Aion is nothing but grind.

 

Wow, even when you show someone the light, they can still have the ignorance to call it a bowl of soup. Doesn't make sense to me. Seeing as how there are max lvl people already in this game, it shouldn't make sense to anyone else who says there is to much grind.

Grind doesn't mean it will take longer to level to max lvl, it just means that you will have to do the same task over and over to level. You see when you don't have enough quest within your level range and you have to go out just killing mobs to get xp, that is a grind. It as nothing to do with the fact that some people did it within few weeks. WAR was the same at launch, they didn't have enough quest to lvl and after couple weeks, there was already some lvl 40.

So don't call that the light, trying to convince yourself that because there is already 2 lvl 50 that it's not a grind. You sound like someone in a cult, can we have some of your coolaid?

Hmmmm. ..... Am not in a cult at all so ...... I play the game and am lvl 30 with almost a full quest log and lots to do for the story line quest. I play a few hours a day and enjoy the game. Just tired of ppl QQing about the "Grind" and they have yet to make it past lvl 20. How long did it take you to max your lvl in what ever MMO you play ??? Or do you even play MMO's and just come here to vent ??

You are right, the point is to enjoy and have fun, this is what I am looking for in a MMO and Aion didn't delivered that to me. Imagine are these people feel if they are crying about the grind before lvl 20, they know that it could be worst after lvl 20. To answer your question, The time it takes you to get to max lvl as nothing to do with the grind, that's today's problem with MMO, people what games they can be lvl cap by the end of the month and after complain that there is no end game. Yes I do play an MMO at the moment but not Aion.

I remember back in the day, when playing MMO was about the world, community, grouping with friend to discover a new world. The when no one was looking at the xp bar, we just didn't care about it, we were having fun.

So let me get this right. I enjoy the game and have fun. Yet you do not and that makes it a "Grind" . you still dance around my question with what MMO's are you playing and how lond did it take you to max ? Or do you not play and come here just to troll ??

What they should of done in this game is capped it at lvl 10, then started the endgame, or whatever the hell you grind whiners want.  20 man raids killing mosbears i guess, and finding equipment that gives you 5 more hit points than your last peice. 

end-game is a grind too you morons.  sorry if you got to put some time in before you get there.

i havn't played many other mmorpgs in the last couple years, but as far as i've heard in games like EQ1, EQ2 and WoW they practically hand you a lvl 50 now when you roll a new character.  

 my biggest problem with Aion so far is the constant gold spam thats popped up over the last week or two. i shouldn't have to type /anon everytime i logon and shut down all my channels to avoid it. other than that it's a solid game, maybe not everyones cup of tea, but what is?

as far as being a grind i really don't mind that in games as much as i do the lack of options. the original everquest was a grind game but the fact you could explore almost endless areas and had so many options as to where you leveled alleviated the tedium of grinding, atleast for me it did. the thing that bugs me the most about recent games is the linear "starter island" mentality where you are basicly forced to level in one or two areas and the whole notion of actually exploring an online world has been boiled down to "from 1-10 you fight here" "from 10-20 you fight here".. seems the newer games have somewhat lost that charm that made me fall in love with the genre to begin with...

grats to the level 50's, aslong as you enjoyed yourself it doesn't matter how you got there.. peace

 fanbois and haters, get over it.  Aion has a grind part,  i don't say its alot, i don't say its nearly nothing, it has a grind part, i don't think many MMORPG's nowadays have gameplay with ZERO GRINDING. its usually a part, and if there is not too much grind, it CAN be ok......

Originally posted by loeslein

What they should of done in this game is capped it at lvl 10, then started the endgame, or whatever the hell you grind whiners want.  20 man raids killing mosbears i guess, and finding equipment that gives you 5 more hit points than your last peice. 

end-game is a grind too you morons.  sorry if you got to put some time in before you get there.

i havn't played many other mmorpgs in the last couple years, but as far as i've heard in games like EQ1, EQ2 and WoW they practically hand you a lvl 50 now when you roll a new character.  

also, for those of you who think 25 hours a week is causual, you have to understand that there's hundreds of millions of people across the world that would kill for 25 hours a week to do ANYTHING besides their career and sleep and spend a lil time with family.  but they are probably the ones who work their asses off so you can sit around and play a computer game all day ,while they build up your trust fund or pay your way through college or some shit.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by Jimmydean

You call it a Linear Themepark and yet you can't even find the quests in it? Must not be that linear. I just hit level 35 and I have not grinded ONCE. I've been doing quests all the way up + I did nochsana training camp when I could. That was good fun. SERIOUSLY people, you are contradicting yourselves.

You say its a linear grindfest, but that's only because you are playing it like a linear game when it is not. GO EXPLORE. Find the quests, the only reason you are grinding is because you are expecting it to hand you the quests and lead you from hub to hub just like game-that-must-not-be-named.  Get a clue.

 

  It is not? Really? How many places are there to level at 23? There's Morheim and a section of Brusthonin, both of which are entirely linear. The quests gives on average  30k exp (equal to less than 6 mobs my level) and totaled 64 (20-24), while the level exp requirements are upwards of 1.5 million. 30000 * 64 => one level's worth of quests in that interval. In addition to the aforementioned I also completed all of the BC quests. There IS NO WAY TO AVOID GRINDING BETWEEN 20-25. I doubt you have ever played the game yourself, since everybody I've talked to in game has told me the same thing.

   I suppose that you enjoy spreading lies to save your game, although if the game were any good I doubt you would ever have had the need to make them.

 

 

 

Make an Elyos character on the Marchutan server. I'll come and show you that I've played if you really want. I am a templar named Valtrex on Marchutan. And YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GRIND, EVER. There are certain quests that give more XP than others, and there are at least 2, upwards of 3 - 5 places to level up during each level range. Do all the campaign quests, explore, flip flop between the 2 zones for your level range between 20-25. YOU WILL NOT HAVE  TO GRIND. I can not make this any more clear.

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Make an Elyos character on the Marchutan server. I'll come and show you that I've played if you really want. I am a templar named Valtrex on Marchutan. And YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GRIND, EVER. There are certain quests that give more XP than others, and there are at least 2, upwards of 3 - 5 places to level up during each level range. Do all the campaign quests, explore, flip flop between the 2 zones for your level range between 20-25. YOU WILL NOT HAVE  TO GRIND. I can not make this any more clear.

   I'm Asmodian on Nezekan. If you don't believe me, then look for ALL quests in level range 20-23 Asmodian, add up all of the experience and you'll get something that is barely equal to one level (if that).

    Here is the proof: 

   www.aionarmory.com/search.aspx

    Add the campaign quests that you can do in Morheim at around 20-23 and you're only up by maybe 200k. Maybe Elyos don't have to grind, but Asmodians do.

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Make an Elyos character on the Marchutan server. I'll come and show you that I've played if you really want. I am a templar named Valtrex on Marchutan. And YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GRIND, EVER. There are certain quests that give more XP than others, and there are at least 2, upwards of 3 - 5 places to level up during each level range. Do all the campaign quests, explore, flip flop between the 2 zones for your level range between 20-25. YOU WILL NOT HAVE  TO GRIND. I can not make this any more clear.

 

   I'm Asmodian on Nezekan. If you don't believe me, then look for ALL quests in level range 20-23 Asmodian, add up all of the experience and you'll get something that is barely equal to one level (if that).

    Here is the proof: 

   www.aionarmory.com/search.aspx

    Add the campaign quests that you can do in Morheim at around 20-23 and you're only up by maybe 200k. Maybe Elyos don't have to grind, but Asmodians do.

 

You can't just add up quest XP and think that's all you are going to get out of the quests. Unlike in WoW, the mobs you kill in this game give substantial XP, and when you are doing a quest to kill 15 of X mob, you get that XP on top of the quest XP. I don't believe that asmodians and elyos sides are so different that you guys would spend all of your time grinding while we get all of the quests.

So wait the other thread was complaining that leveling is too fast in WoW?

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Originally posted by //\\//\\oo

Originally posted by Jimmydean

Make an Elyos character on the Marchutan server. I'll come and show you that I've played if you really want. I am a templar named Valtrex on Marchutan. And YOU DO NOT HAVE TO GRIND, EVER. There are certain quests that give more XP than others, and there are at least 2, upwards of 3 - 5 places to level up during each level range. Do all the campaign quests, explore, flip flop between the 2 zones for your level range between 20-25. YOU WILL NOT HAVE  TO GRIND. I can not make this any more clear.

 

   I'm Asmodian on Nezekan. If you don't believe me, then look for ALL quests in level range 20-23 Asmodian, add up all of the experience and you'll get something that is barely equal to one level (if that).

    Here is the proof: 

   www.aionarmory.com/search.aspx

    Add the campaign quests that you can do in Morheim at around 20-23 and you're only up by maybe 200k. Maybe Elyos don't have to grind, but Asmodians do.

 

 

You can't just add up quest XP and think that's all you are going to get out of the quests. Unlike in WoW, the mobs you kill in this game give substantial XP, and when you are doing a quest to kill 15 of X mob, you get that XP on top of the quest XP. I don't believe that asmodians and elyos sides are so different that you guys would spend all of your time grinding while we get all of the quests.

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