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10/08/09 12:16:29 PM#61
I totally agree with the OP , the economy of the game will never recover when you have bots that can farm 24/7 with mouse click programs and then sellers that sell 24/7 , not to mention the lack of enjoyment when you can't even get a group due to the spam in the looking for group channel , oh also you got mail ... nope its gold spam again ... whispers ... gold spam ... its never ending
/fail NCSOFT AGAIN |
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10/08/09 12:19:51 PM#62
Aion: Tower of Spammers |
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10/08/09 12:30:56 PM#63
Originally posted by nowrnvr
Yeah. Plus the way that cash flow increases exponentially as you level just compounds the issue. There are already huge inflationary pressures with out gold sellers throwing their own monkey wrench into the economy. Just about every design flaw that you can think of that would make the game economy vulnerable to destruction at the hands of gold sellers exists in Aion. Add in the fact that NCSoft West is underfunded and understaffed and you end up with a situation where Gold Sellers, bots and farmers have free reign. Heck, prime time play hours for farmers are during the window when NCSoft West has ZERO support available. You can't even report abuses for future action. The reporting system is shut down I believe 11 hours out of the day! Lineage 2 in the West was crippled by bots, farmers and spammers. NCSoft had a huge hill to climb in order to convince people that Aion would be different. You aren't going to convince anyone Aion will be any different by failing to provide well staffed, 24 hour GM support, or even a reporting mechanism for hours when there are no live GMs. Someone at NCSoft is pennywise and pound foolish. I guess it's understandable after Richard Garriot fleeced them out of over $100 million is completely wasted funding for Tabula Rasa. I think they are very gun shy about investing any money into the Western market, even if underfunding leads to larger losses. Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated |
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10/08/09 12:37:45 PM#64
If gold spammers an a few bots are Aions big problems I think they are still ahead of other mmos that have been released these past few years. Seems like these issues would be easy to fix, and I saw a post earlier showing a bunch of gold spamers getting baned. I will be waiting a while before I consider buyinh the game, but I think they will be able to get better. |
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10/08/09 12:50:08 PM#65
They will get a Handle on gold spammers; it's just going to take a little time to get into their nitch. But if that’s the biggest bitch about this game, they are ahead of the game. Their Numbers are climbing, they are on a roll. Till they get the spammers under control, I will continue to block them as they come in. annoying, but I can deal with it. I am in agreement that if you don't like a game, don't play it. Move on. The people who like the game don't care why you quit. That goes for EVERY game not just this one.
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10/08/09 12:59:20 PM#66
Some people dont get it, and i agree with the OP. You say the bots doesnt boder you right? K, well everything u craft, sell, buy is inflicted by bots, so the more they are, more of everything u do worths less, on top of that normal player started to bot it all over(see Aionsource), some just because they are lasy, some to do experiments to see if NC Soft bans them. Of course all fail. Is a flawed korean grind, totaly inferior to War and AOC, but you dont even get the chance to play it normaly. Queue, massive influx of farmed materials hit the auction house, and there is NOO GM, Community Managers, activity from developers on the Europe Forums. If they wanted to do something they woulded be prepared at launch, they werent.
Shame on me. Lineage 2 players know better to avoid NC Soft, me i am just dumb, i got scammed again. |
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10/08/09 3:00:06 PM#67
Originally posted by nowrnvr
Oh... there is fail here alright...
but it aint' NCSoft's |
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10/08/09 6:36:06 PM#68
Nah, I think these problems are around position 4 or 5. I would set weak replayability, hacks and avoiding PvE community higher.
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heartless
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Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
10/08/09 9:13:59 PM#69
Originally posted by BloodDuality
Actually, you may not be aware of exactly how damaging gold sellers and bots can be to an MMORPG. Once the gold farmers and their bots take control of the in-game market, they will hike up the price of everything on the AH which will make buying gold mandatory, if a player wants to stay competitive. Kind of like the current situation in Lineage 2. Hey, another game by NCSoft... When I played the Chinese version of Aion, bots were everywhere. They would run around in packs of 2-3 and kill steal everything in sight. It was almost impossible to do a kill X quest because the bots would kill steal the mobs. Especially with Aion's silly kill rights being awarded to the person or group who did the highest damage, which practically beg for griefing. Imagine attacking a mob and having a 3 bot group run up and kill it. They get the credit, you get absolutely nothing. Now rinse and repeat. That was pretty much my experience in Chinese Aion. While I'm sure that, currently, it's not as bad in the US as it is in China or Korea, it's getting there.
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Jackio81
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Joined: 11/11/08
The MMO genre as a whole is a running joke considering a 5+ year old game is so dominant. |
10/08/09 9:43:32 PM#70
You know I have my criticism of Aion, but this thread is just straight up negative. |
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10/08/09 9:57:15 PM#71
Originally posted by Sovrath
here you go: www.aionsource.com/forum/1517875-post.html
Further, after seeing what measures Square Enix took, and continue to take, in FFXI to aggressively combat RMT/botting, and the drastic difference it's made in that game, I'm far less sympathetic to other companies when they say "we're doing our best... really!" *Especially* NCSoft. Action, not words.
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Kaocan
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Joined: 8/18/09
The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend. |
10/08/09 10:01:45 PM#72
Originally posted by heartless
Actually, you may not be aware of exactly how damaging gold sellers and bots can be to an MMORPG. Once the gold farmers and their bots take control of the in-game market, they will hike up the price of everything on the AH which will make buying gold mandatory, if a player wants to stay competitive. Kind of like the current situation in Lineage 2. Hey, another game by NCSoft... When I played the Chinese version of Aion, bots were everywhere. They would run around in packs of 2-3 and kill steal everything in sight. It was almost impossible to do a kill X quest because the bots would kill steal the mobs. Especially with Aion's silly kill rights being awarded to the person or group who did the highest damage, which practically beg for griefing. Imagine attacking a mob and having a 3 bot group run up and kill it. They get the credit, you get absolutely nothing. Now rinse and repeat. That was pretty much my experience in Chinese Aion. While I'm sure that, currently, it's not as bad in the US as it is in China or Korea, it's getting there.
Yes, gold farmers/spammers can cause a serious mess - L2 is a prime example of that no doubt. But Aion has a small advantage over L2 and that is there is no open world PvP amongst same faction players. They trashed L2 economy because you had no choice but buy the items you wanted from them, at their high prices, with their gold - not because they were in the game, but because they were allowed to control it all. I played a bounty hunter in L2, and believe me when I say, the farmers controlled the drops in every grid block in the game. If you stepped into one of their farm grids you had better be ready to defend your choice to walk there. They would gang up and destroy you the second you picked your first mob to hit. Once they forced all the players away from farming their own drops it was just a matter of time before they controlled the entire economy. As long as Aion doesn't allow them the chance to kill anyone who walks into their farm grids they can be relatively ignored. The only problem they cause with the economy then is not them as much as it is the buyers. The more people feed them RL cash for in-game kinah, the more the economy becomes unstable, but in the other direction usually. You flood the market with cash and everything becomes worthless trash except the very high end gear that soon becomes unreachable in price. This makes the 'competitive' people the only ones that have to buy kinah to stay in their tier. Right now the problem is there are too many people who are trying to force end game that are willing to dish out $30 for extra kinah. If they would stop buying there wouldn't be a market for the farmers to sell in. We as players blame NCSoft for letting the problem be there, in reality it is us that is creating the mess from them. Stop feeding them, it really is that simple. Block them, ignore them, DON'T BUY FROM THEM, and they will go away. (DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.) |
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heartless
Hard Core Member
Joined: 1/05/04
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. -Carl Sagan |
10/08/09 10:15:51 PM#73
Originally posted by Kaocan
Yes, gold farmers/spammers can cause a serious mess - L2 is a prime example of that no doubt. But Aion has a small advantage over L2 and that is there is no open world PvP amongst same faction players. They trashed L2 economy because you had no choice but buy the items you wanted from them, at their high prices, with their gold - not because they were in the game, but because they were allowed to control it all. I played a bounty hunter in L2, and believe me when I say, the farmers controlled the drops in every grid block in the game. If you stepped into one of their farm grids you had better be ready to defend your choice to walk there. They would gang up and destroy you the second you picked your first mob to hit. Once they forced all the players away from farming their own drops it was just a matter of time before they controlled the entire economy. As long as Aion doesn't allow them the chance to kill anyone who walks into their farm grids they can be relatively ignored. The only problem they cause with the economy then is not them as much as it is the buyers. The more people feed them RL cash for in-game kinah, the more the economy becomes unstable, but in the other direction usually. You flood the market with cash and everything becomes worthless trash except the very high end gear that soon becomes unreachable in price. This makes the 'competitive' people the only ones that have to buy kinah to stay in their tier. Right now the problem is there are too many people who are trying to force end game that are willing to dish out $30 for extra kinah. If they would stop buying there wouldn't be a market for the farmers to sell in. We as players blame NCSoft for letting the problem be there, in reality it is us that is creating the mess from them. Stop feeding them, it really is that simple. Block them, ignore them, DON'T BUY FROM THEM, and they will go away. Given the opportunity, some people will always take the easy way out. Those are the same type of people who use cheats or hacks to their advantage and there is no stopping them. There is no use trying to appeal to their better nature as most of them do not see anything wrong with their behavior. You say that we're to blame because some of us buy gold? I say NCSoft is to blame for not protecting the rest of us from those who buy gold or use exploits. In short, gamers as a group, cannot be trusted to police themselves because for every honest gamer, there are at least two douche bags out there who see nothing wrong with buying gold or cheating. And there is nothing you or me, as fellow gamers, can do about them. The only people who can are developers and publishers.
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10/08/09 10:20:02 PM#74
Recommendation: Think for yourself. Bans a perma, but so are sigs in necro posts. EAT ME MMORPG.com! |
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10/08/09 10:23:35 PM#75
I will put it bluntly. NcSoft are the gold sellers. Once you understand this you will not suppot this kind of double pay scjeme from them ever again. . |
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10/08/09 10:49:43 PM#76
Originally posted by Cammy
Its not crying, it sounds a lot like this person has legit concerns and a legit reason for leaving. He is annoyed and frusterated with an aspect of the game. You however sound a lot like a fanboy. If he doesnt see any reason to quit then he should be able to quit without you hounding him for it. He should also be able to get on a forum and post his said concerns without you hounding him for them as well. No i dont know this person and no I dont play Aion or WoW or any Sword and Sorcery competitor for that matter. I'm just using common sense and reading other people saying very similar things from what the OP said. So it's obviously a problem in the game, you need to chill and stop being rude just because someone doesnt like what you like.
I just fail to understand how someone who doesn't like the game will just come in and say "Im quitting"... and then not expect flaming responses.
Seriously... you think anyone here gives a flying shit if this guy quits? Of course not...
I don't care if he likes what I like but Im very sick and tired of reading every second post of "QQ - I don't like this game and blah blah". Seriously the MMO community is the absolute WORST in terms of this. If tears could be re-used for gasoline, we could drive cars for the next 100 years off this site alone.
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10/08/09 11:00:20 PM#77
yep they come to aion flaming it because lot of gamer from various game went to aion and those were left alone in wow,gw,you name it they lost player since those dont want to end up in wow or other game alone they keep coming and coming flaming the game in hope player will come back to wow or other old game flamer play want you want,but stop coming in aion making post you know nobody will care |
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10/08/09 11:03:43 PM#78
Originally posted by solareus ige is the gold seller lol check zam.com thats just the tip of the iceburg they buy every website they can ,ige own thottbot,owns wowhead etc etc etc every gaming company is scared senseless of IGE or whatever new name they ll probably use soon |
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10/08/09 11:55:17 PM#79
Originally posted by Kaocan
Yes, gold farmers/spammers can cause a serious mess - L2 is a prime example of that no doubt. But Aion has a small advantage over L2 and that is there is no open world PvP amongst same faction players. They trashed L2 economy because you had no choice but buy the items you wanted from them, at their high prices, with their gold - not because they were in the game, but because they were allowed to control it all. I played a bounty hunter in L2, and believe me when I say, the farmers controlled the drops in every grid block in the game. If you stepped into one of their farm grids you had better be ready to defend your choice to walk there. They would gang up and destroy you the second you picked your first mob to hit. Once they forced all the players away from farming their own drops it was just a matter of time before they controlled the entire economy. As long as Aion doesn't allow them the chance to kill anyone who walks into their farm grids they can be relatively ignored. The only problem they cause with the economy then is not them as much as it is the buyers. The more people feed them RL cash for in-game kinah, the more the economy becomes unstable, but in the other direction usually. You flood the market with cash and everything becomes worthless trash except the very high end gear that soon becomes unreachable in price. This makes the 'competitive' people the only ones that have to buy kinah to stay in their tier. Right now the problem is there are too many people who are trying to force end game that are willing to dish out $30 for extra kinah. If they would stop buying there wouldn't be a market for the farmers to sell in. We as players blame NCSoft for letting the problem be there, in reality it is us that is creating the mess from them. Stop feeding them, it really is that simple. Block them, ignore them, DON'T BUY FROM THEM, and they will go away.
Yes, the buyers ARE the key to the demand. Absent them there would be no demand for the sellers to make money off of. But the buyers aren't going away. Not unless NCsoft makes it VERY risky to buy. If buyers faced a perma ban on their accounts for buying, it would put a serious dent in the demand. NCsoft could go about this several ways. One of the nastier would be sting operations. That would make it so that buyers never know if they are dealing with sellers, or NCsoft agents who are making lists. Collect the lists over the week and then mass perma ban those on the list at the weeks end. Change the name/class of the NCsoft agents and get ready for the next week. They could also work to infiltrate the sellers groups. There are any number of counter seller operations they could run if they wished to. But those take money and skilled personnel, and I seriously doubt NCsoft wants to invest in what it would take to break the back of the sellers. Talk is cheap. Effective action takes thought, planning, experienced/skilled personnel and thus money. Look for more tough *talk* from NCsoft, and very little effective action in the end. |
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10/09/09 12:11:22 AM#80
Originally posted by drbaltazar ige is the gold seller lol check zam.com thats just the tip of the iceburg they buy every website they can ,ige own thottbot,owns wowhead etc etc etc every gaming company is scared senseless of IGE or whatever new name they ll probably use soon Turbine isn't scared of IGE. IGE is scared of Turbine. |
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