FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

Thanks for the insight! This let's me know not to put much stock into the things you "figure out".

i can't tell if hes trying to sell me vanguard or trolling me really hard

Originally posted by cybertrucker

FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

Are we talking Vanguard Beta 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, Vanguard at launch, or Vanguard now? Because I thought it was excellent before Microsoft dropped Sigil and SOE urinated on it.

If Fallen Earth is anything like Vanguard Beta 2, you may have just piqued my interest in a game I previously thought was crap. Tell me more!

Originally posted by Saerain

Originally posted by cybertrucker

FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

Are we talking Vanguard Beta 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, Vanguard at launch, or Vanguard now? Because I thought it was excellent before Microsoft dropped Sigil and SOE urinated on it.

If Fallen Earth is anything like Vanguard Beta 2, you may have just piqued my interest in a game I previously thought was crap. Tell me more!

Saerain, he admittedly only spent a "limited time" in game. I don't imagine he'd be able to have experienced much to tell you alot about the game. Of course, if his gameplay time works for you, then by all means, listen up, lol!

Vanguard is actually a good game now (2 1/2 years after release).  Fallen Earth is better, and it was just released.

Actually I loved Vanguard. Even with its lag issues which I never suffered as much as some did and some severe bugs the game had. I loved it. Granted alot of that had to do with the amazing looking world well written content, and amazing classes and class balance overall.

FE on the hand was a blah looking world with blah content.. I will admit the shooter aspect was fun. and I enjoyed the classless aspect. but lag is a terrible issue in fallen earth character animations are glitchy.

The only things Vanguard and Fallen Earth have in common is that I bought both of them shortly after launch without having researched them much during development. Thats strange for me because I usually follow MMOs for years prior to release and then decide if I will buy them based on if I trust the Dev team or not.

However I bought both Fallen Earth and Vanguard on a whim just a few days after release and I have had COMPLETELY DIFFERENT experiences with both. I knew Vanguard was CRAP right away, not because of bugs or lag but just because the game was BORING and the gameplay was generic with none of the features the developers bragged about (which is similar to my reasons for quitting AoC during the beta). With Fallen Earth there has been a lot of lag and it honestly has been a problem but unlike Vanguard the gameplay is actually GOOD and the game itself is actually FUN when you aren't being buried by lag.

And if you are the kind of guy who likes or dislikes a game based on graphics then quite honestly I don't think anyone will miss you if you quit this game. Games aren't and never have been about graphics and the people who think otherwise should go back to playing Xbox.

So no, I would say that Fallen Earth and Vanguard have nothing in common. Even if you feel that they share one or two similar issues that could be improved on you still have to deal with the fact that the reasons for those issues are totally different, with the Vanguard developers being drug addicted idiots who sold their game to SOE, while the Fallen Earth developers seem to just be a small development studio doing the best they can with the resources they have. I may not agree with all their decisions but atleast they aren't addicted to drugs or trying to sell out to SOE.

I honestly liked Vanguard and gave it numerous chances to succeed, even despite the bugs, but it was just far too buggy to be an enjoyable experience over time. They've fixed it since then and that's great, but I gave it its chance a while ago and am not going back. Too many other good games to play.

I'm enjoying my time in FE and am not even experiencing a quarter of the bugs I hit in Vanguard. The graphics are /monotonous/, which I think is what a lot of these people who say they're crappy are referring to, as the detail is fairly good. But once you hit S2 and S3, you'll see a wider variance as the terrain changes.

Originally posted by cybertrucker

FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

 

I havent bought Fallen Earth yet as I am still on the fence about it........but I certainly intend to give it a go in the near future. This post makes me feel like playing it even more. I'm sorry but I cant put any stock in what you are saying because.....well......Vanguard has good content? Vanguard has great graphics that are not crappy and outdated? What are you smoking.

Vanguard has some things going for it like parts of the game world can look quite nice.......but then other parts can look bloody awful. Same goes for the character models. Some of the monsters you meet look great.......but then the character models and pretty much any humanoid model looks stupid. Quests......yep some of them are better than other MMO's and there are lots of them......but none of them had any relevance to my character or what I wanted to be doing in the game.

Vanguard was an unplayable wreck at launch but I resubbed back to it roughly half a year ago. It was much more playable and things had been fixed. I did actually find it interesting for a little while but after a week its stupid stale game world with its multitude of deformed freaks (Mr Foxhead, Mr Gnome, Mr Orc and Mrs Doghead go for a picnic) running around in groups over an uninspired and unoriginal landscape doing silly quests for no reason just began to piss me off. All those races in the game running around together just look so god damn stupid! The crafting was vaguely interesting at first but it didnt take long to see how utterly pointless it was.......not as pointless as the so-called diplomacy quests though. Yeah diplomacy where you cant actually do anything that involves any diplomacy and instead just play a simplistic card game that unlocks paragraphs in a block of text. This is supposed to be entertainment?

Nope sorry Vanguard is a dull game set in a badly thought out "mish mash" of a generic fantasy world. The setting alone for Fallen Earth puts it above Vanguard. There are too many other features about FE that make it a far more appealing game, such as the way factions play out in the game (quests relevant to your faction, player conflict and a decent roleplaying setting) and the fact that I am not restricted to playing a certain class. It also doesnt have Mr Foxhead, Mr Cathead and Mrs Doghead running around in tweed jackets with weirdly deformed human bodies. Thats gotta be a bonus.

Originally posted by cybertrucker

FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

 

You obviously have never played FE at all, are TROLLS allowed here.

Why are people comparing FE to vanguard?

Vanguard was designed to be a catassers dream game that sent electro-shocks to your nuts if you did not start ever sentence with "Forsooth!" or played for less than 8 hours a day. Where you stand in line at the end of a public dungeon and then Waite for the class defining item to drop on a mob that was on a 24 hour timer.

Fallen earth was designed to be fun.

Originally posted by cybertrucker

FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

 

Fallen Earth doesnt have horable lag. I live in US on east cost my latency stays around 40-60 if your in euro or some 3rd word country playing on US based server dont bitch about lag, play a different game.

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by cybertrucker

FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

 

 

You obviously have never played FE at all, are TROLLS allowed here.

Was this a serious question?

Of course they are, if not encouraged.

The more amazing thing is how many people respond to them even when they are obvious.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by cybertrucker

FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

 

 

You obviously have never played FE at all, are TROLLS allowed here.

 

Was this a serious question?

Of course they are, if not encouraged.

The more amazing thing is how many people respond to them even when they are obvious.

 

Thing is it's also quite obvious people become defensive for stuff they like.

Originally posted by shamus252

Originally posted by cybertrucker

FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

 

 

Fallen Earth doesnt have horable lag. I live in US on east cost my latency stays around 40-60 if your in euro or some 3rd word country playing on US based server dont bitch about lag, play a different game.

 I'm EU and I'm not a 3rd world country either (take a bit of an offence at that) and I have no lag either...

Oh and learn to be nice to your better countries :P

In reply to this thread.

1) Vanguard was both bug ridden and feature incomplete

- Fallen earth is feature complete.

2) Vanguard was hyped to death

- Fallen Earth has only said whats in the game and nothing more

3) Vanguard was unplayable for most people.

- Fallen Earth plays wonderfully for most people, there are some lag issues but that might be ISP or configuration issues. But considering its all over the US and Europe its not specific to one set of circumstances. Why do I say this? There are very very few peopel complaining on the forums compared to Vanguard

4) Vanguard was stopped half way in development, lost its publisher and lots of other things

- Yep it was a suprise in beta when they said they were going to launch, but from then to now its made massive improvements. Has a solid and stable company behind it.

What Fallen Earth is not:

1) Counter Strike

2) A full FPS game - its a hybrid and therefore don't think like its going to have reaction times like counterstrike or such games you don't need to be in the next room to have an advantage in the game.

3) Easy to get into. Think read and don't worry, it comes quickly.

What Fallen Earth is:

1) Fun

2) Intreging and interesting to get into

3) A game with POTENTIAL - it _will_ get better in time. The difference from a few months ago to now is staggering.

Oh and a quick message to trolls, you are boring boring boring.

 The list could go on forever on what was wrong with VG at launch and not even compare to FE at launch. Nice attempt to troll though. VG I hear is a nice game now 2 yrs later but 3 weeks later FE is a very solid game. 

Ok I think I might as well throw in my 2 cents here and comment since I'm sick to death of whiney people like this especially those who always love to jump in and start comparing to other games, I guess they didn't bother reading the The Stale Comparison which discusses how over the years comparison has become more stale because whenever someone plays another game they instantly say "This isn't like [insert favourite game here] it sucks!" just because its not what they're used to and not catering to their needs.

Also, here's another facter regarding games at launch, almost all game at launch have issues because whether they've had beta tests or not, doesn't compare to the vast majority of players that will enter once it has become available to the general public! In my opinion the odds are more like 1000/1, for every 1 beta tester there's at least possibly a thousand members joined after beta phase. These thousands of players joining no doubt have different specs to their beta comrads and there is a slight possibility that its more or less down to minimum spec rather than above recommended! There for, analyse says, these people still have issues because the game has not been adapted to their systems yet! Basically, what I'm trying to say here is, its not the game thats buggy, half the time its the fact that it can't run on their system. Also, if it is the server thats lagging, well give them a fucking break, its only just become public, there's thousands more logging in than there was before public release, call it a stress test if you may, I'm pretty sure they'll get it sorted over time, as do all other games before this one.

Anyways, now that I'm done I hope this has enlightened some of you to think twice before flaming and bitching about how this or any game is not like your favourite game, of course its not and never will be, get over it and get over yourselves. If you don't like new games and changes, don't play them, or at least refrain from bitching about it because 9/10 you just piss off the people who are enjoying it.

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by Isane

Originally posted by cybertrucker

FE = Vanguard part 2 the apocolypse, only instead of having great graphics. The graphics in FE look super dated and crappy.

Now on that note. Vanguard runs really well now. Granted it took over a year of patching and fixes to get it running smooth for most. So if you can stand the horrible lag much like Vanguard had.. Alot of bugs much like Vanguard had. Mixed with terrible content (unlike Vanguard) and Crappy outdated Graphics (unlike Vanguard) then this might be the perfect game for ya.

This of coarse is just my opinion on the game from the limited time I spent in it. But from the basic gameplay this is not hard to figure out.

 

 

You obviously have never played FE at all, are TROLLS allowed here.

 

Was this a serious question?

Of course they are, if not encouraged.

The more amazing thing is how many people respond to them even when they are obvious.

 

True that. Although, you will have to admit, it's often hard to resist :D

Heck, sometimes I even liked to demolish and obliterate them. Nowadays I'm too laid back to give a cr*p :D

DB