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Vanguard: Saga of Heroes

Vanguard: Saga of Heroes 

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  Trueth

Novice Member

Joined: 8/21/08
Posts: 298

10/12/09 1:44:06 PM#21

I love the cash shop that vanguard has.  I just bought a new rogue level 48 for $70 after having grown tired of the level 50 warrior I purchased a few months back. The population is definately very low, but it doesnt matter to me since if I need something I just buy it online.

  Vyrolakos

Novice Member

Joined: 11/25/06
Posts: 143

10/12/09 5:14:05 PM#22


Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean it cannot affect your gameplay or those around you. 
RMT like vanguard has changes the nature of the game.  There is now a financial incentive to get items and being altruistic with items has a tangible net loss.  It is silly, but that is what some people will see and change their gameplay accordingly.  Not to mention that there is an addition financial incentive for soe to design the game in such a way that it encourages players to use the service.  Like you said, soe wants money and they don't get any money if you don't use the service. 
When does it stop and when is it to much?  What happens when the rmt loot trading card game comes to vanguard?  Will you dismiss that away also?  How about station cash where soe openly sells items for real life money?  What happens when soe starts selling game zones through their cash shop or random loot cards? 
 
Anything can be dismissed by saying a company is a business and businesses need money.  That doesn't mean everything they do is healthy for their product or in the best interests of their customer and lets not forget that soe is a service based business.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just saying I have no influence over whether they do it or not. They decide how they run their business, we decide whether we want to use them or not.

If there were another game with all of the features that I like in Vanguard but with none of the RMT and no incoming money grabbing 'extras' that I'm pretty sure are on the horizon, then I would choose to play that game. Unfortunately, the only other game that comes even close to what I want to play, is EQ2. Which is run by SOE as well and has even MORE money grabbing 'extras' than Vanguard.

I'm just living with what has been dealt until something better comes along. The alternative is not to play any of them. How does that work in my favour?

Currently playing: Vanguard: SOH

  Vyrolakos

Novice Member

Joined: 11/25/06
Posts: 143

10/12/09 5:17:38 PM#23
Originally posted by Trueth

I love the cash shop that vanguard has.  I just bought a new rogue level 48 for $70 after having grown tired of the level 50 warrior I purchased a few months back. The population is definately very low, but it doesnt matter to me since if I need something I just buy it online.

 

Has no effect on me. You're the one who has lost out on 48 levels of game play.

Currently playing: Vanguard: SOH

  objeff

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/17/09
Posts: 101

10/12/09 9:55:59 PM#24

All items sold in the live gamer are player items. It's a live auction/market for players to sell items. To my knowledge nothing is posted by the company - it's just now a legit way to sell items/gold/characters.

In all honesty I pretty much forgot VG adopted this via live gamer - I don't think many people use this and if they do it's probably for only 1 or 2 things..

The only thing worth buying is gold and characters.. items are always replaced and most of the good items are soulbound anyway.

I play the game to have fun - it's not a competition for me.

  ethion

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Joined: 7/25/03
Posts: 2774

10/13/09 9:40:49 AM#25
Originally posted by Vyrolakos
Originally posted by Trueth

I love the cash shop that vanguard has.  I just bought a new rogue level 48 for $70 after having grown tired of the level 50 warrior I purchased a few months back. The population is definately very low, but it doesnt matter to me since if I need something I just buy it online.

 

Has no effect on me. You're the one who has lost out on 48 levels of game play.

 

Well that's why the vanguard exchange exists.... There are always people that only see the end game as being interesting and enjoyable and like to buy their characters rather then level them up.  If there weren't these types of people then people selling characters wouldn't have a market, but we all know that isn't the case, just google "anygame gold" and you will find tons of sites trading or in many cases just outright selling characters and gold...  I see these people in every game.  Wow has lots of people who buy characters for example and what is even more amazing in some cases they pay hundreds of dollars for characters.  Frankly, I never really understood why you would pay to play a game and then buy a character to bypass all the game.

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  Vyrolakos

Novice Member

Joined: 11/25/06
Posts: 143

10/13/09 5:39:37 PM#26


Originally posted by ethion

...  Frankly, I never really understood why you would pay to play a game and then buy a character to bypass all the game.



 
+1

But hey, it's their money and their leisure time, so whatever makes them happy, I suppose. Just as long as their actions don't effect my enjoyment of the game. If some form of RMT were to obviously effect or intrude on my enjoyment of the game, then that would be the end for that particular MMO for me. Game companies be warned.

Currently playing: Vanguard: SOH

  Trueth

Novice Member

Joined: 8/21/08
Posts: 298

10/14/09 1:24:05 AM#27

Who cares about the big bad warning to mmo companies. I've bought several characters, and raided with them, and taken spots in high level groups while others begged to be let in (but were denied because they had the wrong class). If RMT bothers you, find a game that doesnt have it.

 

:)

  Vyrolakos

Novice Member

Joined: 11/25/06
Posts: 143

10/14/09 5:00:00 AM#28
Originally posted by Trueth

Who cares about the big bad warning to mmo companies. I've bought several characters, and raided with them, and taken spots in high level groups while others begged to be let in (but were denied because they had the wrong class). If RMT bothers you, find a game that doesnt have it.

 

:)

 

... or just find a game where the RMT isn't intrusive. Like Vanguard for instance.

 

:)

Currently playing: Vanguard: SOH

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