Every kid, including the three I have by my own, wanna play the same games as their friends. It dosnt really matter if its the "best" game in the genre as long as their friends are laying it. If I ask them about why they still play WOW or CS thats what they tell me. They KNOW there are better games out there, but that dosnt matter since their friends arent playing them.

So theres the reason why so many kids play WOW.

Should rename the topic to MMOs and People. Lot of people stick to certain MMOs because friends/family do. WoW is no special case.

Since its the most played MMO overall... of course its the most played by kids and females also.

Everybody knew that, old news.

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Originally posted by greed0104

Should rename the topic to MMOs and People. Lot of people stick to certain MMOs because friends/family do. WoW is no special case.

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You cant beat WOW at being WOW. Sadly, developers don't realise that, and they keep making WOW copies that fail and fail and fail... year after year after year...

The whole MMO industry is at a complete standstill when it comes to innovation because everyone thinks they have to make a better WOW to compete with WOW... That will never work because kids will keep playing the same game that their friends are playing.

At the same time, there is zero MMOs for the age group 18+... AOC did it right with the nudity, graphics, blood and gore, etc, but the game is basicly a WOW copy underneat the hood. Making it very boring for most adult minds.
They need to make it sandbox.

Originally posted by Zorndorf

@ Sec.

A recently held study in Flanders showed ... older people stay much longer with certain games/internet websites  than teenagers.

They also talked about trends like facebook and the use of twitter etc... While facebook is already out with the younger ones, it stays much more being used by older people.

Older people (your group) is very reluctant to change their internet and games.

 Why change games if you already play the one you are feeling comfortable with?

Yea i can only speak from my own experience, and all my friends play games like Crysis and Battlefield while all our kids play games like WOW and Lotro. I dont know if its the other way around in your social group but thats how it is here. Im 36 and live in Sweden if it matters.

Me and my friends dont have a problem moving from Quake ---> Quake 2 ---> Quake 3 ---> BF1942 ---> BF2 ---> COD4 ---> BF2142 ---> Crysis, etc, etc, etc while our kids: WOW. End.

Originally posted by Securion

 

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Originally posted by greed0104

 

Should rename the topic to MMOs and People. Lot of people stick to certain MMOs because friends/family do. WoW is no special case.

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I think WOW is a special case since that game prevents all other MMOs from being successful, and everyone still wonders why...

 

You cant beat WOW at being WOW. Sadly, developers don't realise that, and they keep making WOW copies that fail and fail and fail... year after year after year...

The whole MMO industry is at a complete standstill when it comes to innovation because everyone thinks they have to make a better WOW to compete with WOW... That will never work because kids will keep playing the same game that their friends are playing.

At the same time, there is zero MMOs for the age group 18+... AOC did it right with the nudity, graphics, blood and gore, etc, but the game is basicly a WOW copy underneat the hood. Making it very boring for most adult minds.
They need to make it sandbox.

Seriously? I hear this a lot. Before you pull the "fanboy" card, I hate the direction WoW is taking right now. But you can't blame that shit on WoW. What they did was raise the bar. If other companies can't hack it, it's their fault. They should try some creativity.

Their are a few companies that are far from a standstill. BioWare and surprisingly Cryptic oh and CCP if you count Dust 514. All three are introducing new innovative features into the MMO world. ToR probably being the most innovative. And can you please explain to me the appeal of a 18+ MMO with nudity and such. I can understand blood and gore. But nudity? That's innovative to you? Well maybe you will enjoy Playboy Manager. Nudity being the appeal is a fkn joke.

If you can't deal with themepark games, look into the upcoming sandbox games.

I freaking hate WoW, but that's why I picked it back up about a year ago. Everyone I knew played, so I was like "wth".
 
Thank god all but one have quit, I am able to move on.
 

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Originally posted by greed0104

Should rename the topic to MMOs and People. Lot of people stick to certain MMOs because friends/family do. WoW is no special case.

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Originally posted by greed0104
Seriously? I hear this a lot. Before you pull the "fanboy" card, I hate the direction WoW is taking right now. But you can't blame that shit on WoW. What they did was raise the bar. If other companies can't hack it, it's their fault. They should try some creativity.

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Their are a few companies that are far from a standstill. BioWare and surprisingly Cryptic oh and CCP if you count Dust 514. All three are introducing new innovative features into the MMO world. ToR probably being the most innovative.

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And can you please explain to me the appeal of a 18+ MMO with nudity and such. I can understand blood and gore. But nudity? That's innovative to you? Well maybe you will enjoy Playboy Manager. Nudity being the appeal is a fkn joke.

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(seriously... you need an explanation why adults like nudity?!? omg)

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If you can't deal with themepark games, look into the upcoming sandbox games.

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Originally posted by Securion

Every kid, including the three I have by my own, wanna play the same games as their friends. It dosnt really matter if its the "best" game in the genre as long as their friends are laying it. If I ask them about why they still play WOW or CS thats what they tell me. They KNOW there are better games out there, but that dosnt matter since their friends arent playing them.

So theres the reason why so many kids play WOW.

Well that is true. When you get enough of kids doing something many other will follow, no matter if it is magic the gathering card, Wow or something else.

The problem is to get enough of them to start playing your game, and that was what Blizzard succeded in.

I am not really sure how they made it, Wow got popular with older players from the start because they played Blizzards other games. Maybe they let their kids or smaller siblings try the game?

Originally posted by Securion

 

Thats what im asking for. You should read my post again perhaps?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     Starting out by saying it's WoWs fault is what you said. Maybe you should go back and read it.

 

 

?!? SW:TOR innovative? You must be joking? Please share with me and the rest of the world what kind of amazing new innovative features that game has?

 

 

 Gladly. Story Drive MMO"RPG" where your actions change the worlds view of you. Where your story will drive you in different directions, example being skills and abilities being affected not by the points you choose to put into a tree but your actions in the world. Here is another one MMOs are lacking. Replay Value, deep class story where you are motivated to actually level up multiple characters. Another good one, FULLY voiced. Not like AoC, lol, Tortage. And BioWare has barely released information on the game. Wait and see what else they have to offer
If you need an explanation to why 18+ people like nudity... your probably too young to hear the explanation... ;)

 

(seriously... you need an explanation why adults like nudity?!? omg)                                                                                           

That's pretty hilarious. Considering the pixelated tits draw teenage boys, not many adults. You will have to excuse me, im not into cybering. I like my adult content to be more realistic then AoC, so I'm saying real life. Also since you enjoy this type of stuff, why not give MO a try. It has all the bewbs and penis "you" could dream of.

 

There ARE no upcoming sandbox games from big companies. Only "indy" games.
Well, for now, you're SoL.

 

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Originally posted by greed0104Gladly. Story Drive MMO"RPG" where your actions change the worlds view of you. Where your story will drive you in different directions, example being skills and abilities being affected not by the points you choose to put into a tree but your actions in the world. Here is another one MMOs are lacking. Replay Value, deep class story where you are motivated to actually level up multiple characters. Another good one, FULLY voiced. Not like AoC, lol, Tortage. And BioWare has barely released information on the game. Wait and see what else they have to offer

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And the new stuff...? Seriously, NOTHING of what you just wrote are new to the MMO genre. NOTHING. Its just more of the same old stuff. Even more cartoon graphics, levels, auto-attack and auto-aim, classes, quests and mindnumbing boring grind, grind, grind, grind, grind to become like everyone else having the same gear, the same stats, etc, etc, etc, in absurdum.
Its not even clear if its an MMO at all since the whole game seems more like a cartoon version of Mass Effect. Minus the innovative and very good combat system Mass Effect had. Oh, and they removed the ability to freely travel. And the nice graphics. And the ability to have sex with aliens. ;) The list goes on... basicly they just removed everything innovative about Mass Effect and made it into a WOW clone instead.

Its shit. No. Its the SAME OLD shit.

Its amazing how a company like BioWare, that are renowned for their innovative game titles, can go and make such a game as SW:TOR.

Originally posted by Securion

 

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Originally posted by greed0104Gladly. Story Drive MMO"RPG" where your actions change the worlds view of you. Where your story will drive you in different directions, example being skills and abilities being affected not by the points you choose to put into a tree but your actions in the world. Here is another one MMOs are lacking. Replay Value, deep class story where you are motivated to actually level up multiple characters. Another good one, FULLY voiced. Not like AoC, lol, Tortage. And BioWare has barely released information on the game. Wait and see what else they have to offer

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And the new stuff...? Seriously, NOTHING of what you just wrote are new to the MMO genre. NOTHING. Its just more of the same old stuff. Even more cartoon graphics, levels, auto-attack and auto-aim, classes, quests and mindnumbing boring grind, grind, grind, grind, grind to become like everyone else having the same gear, the same stats, etc, etc, etc, in absurdum.
Its not even clear if its an MMO at all since the whole game seems more like a cartoon version of Mass Effect. Minus the innovative and very good combat system Mass Effect had. Oh, and they removed the ability to freely travel. And the nice graphics. And the ability to have sex with aliens. ;) The list goes on... basicly they just removed everything innovative about Mass Effect and made it into a WOW clone instead.

Its shit. No. Its the SAME OLD shit.

Its amazing how a company like BioWare, that are renowned for their innovative game titles, can go and make such a game as SW:TOR.

Uh huh, sure none of those are innovative. Keep telling yourself that.

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Originally posted by greed0104Uh huh, sure none of those are innovative. Keep telling yourself that.

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Im not trying to make fun of you, but if you want to I can go through your post sentence for sentence and show you that all of those things you think are "new" and "innovative" in fact are very very old and just the same old shit we've had for years and years.

I cant, even if I try, and belive me I have tried since im a huge fan of BioWare, find a SINGLE innovative feature about SW:TOR. Not ONE. :(

Personally im really looking forward to Teras no targeting system and its using lines of tankers. Granted, while personally i will be very pleased, the games not likely to be anymore of a revolution than Aion is at the moment. But we really need to start looking beyond WOW. What we need is niche games more in the style of EVE that are meant for demanding gamers and not the general public. And stop this silly expectation of a WOW killer coming along. A game consistently holding 1 mil subs would be a huge success, especially if it manages without it becoming a wowish dumbed down verion of itself.

The genre is in serious need of deep mechanics (and no, not sandbox, except maybe in some elements) and sleek functional UIs, if you add this to a good amount of content and solid gameplay from the day of launch, youd have a succesful "premium" MMO. The IP becomes the least important of factors, good style and decent graphics being a given.

Solid games are more important imo than inovative ones at the moment. We need good precedents of success to get the companies willing to invest on the concepts that would become revolutions in the genre. Yes, for kids games will be more about social networks and we can all be somewhat thankful they do seem to flock a bit more towards WOW than other games.

to be honest the average WoW player is between 18-32 just like most mmo's. People just tend to be immature over the internet where there really aren't any punishments for them acting in such a way.

its always the older people bitching and whining and be rude on trade then most kids tbh since theyr so hateful cause they suck and so on and many other things

Originally posted by Frostbite05

to be honest the average WoW player is between 18-32 just like most mmo's. People just tend to be immature over the internet where there really aren't any punishments for them acting in such a way.

True. People acting stupid on the net cos it's the only place where it doesn't hurts your real life.

Originally posted by Securion

Every kid, including the three I have by my own, wanna play the same games as their friends. It dosnt really matter if its the "best" game in the genre as long as their friends are laying it. If I ask them about why they still play WOW or CS thats what they tell me. They KNOW there are better games out there, but that dosnt matter since their friends arent playing them.

 

So theres the reason why so many kids play WOW.

 

 

So, rather than being glad your kids are doing something they enjoy with friends...you wanna bitch because they aren't playing "better" games?

Who's the child in this scenario, again?

Originally posted by byson123

its always the older people bitching and whining and be rude on trade then most kids tbh since theyr so hateful cause they suck and so on and many other things

No school today?

if you guys are looking for a WoW killer, FFXIV is the one

i dont see how WoW is gonna win game play - wise beside the huge fan base they got

yes, FF's fan base is not as much as WoW's due to the popularity from the 1st release and there werent many games like WoW at that time

but you should look at the game play of FFXIV, nothing in WoW can beat the System FFXIV is gonna use