Originally posted by thanith

 

@metalhead: i told you he wants to have the last word in EVERY thread in EVERY forum *laughs*

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Originally posted by Gameloading

Ofcourse I care enough to quote and respond to the guy, it's not that difficult to do. You're acting as if it takes an enormous amount of effort to respond to a post.

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Would I tell a person who hates pvp to Aion? Ofcourse not, because PVP is a big part of the experience. But I wouldn't send a person who is looking for a PVP game to Aion either. The people I would send to a game like Aion are people who are looking for a game that offers both PVE and PVP gameplay.

I agree with this.

Listen, I don't always agree with where Gameloading is coming from and sometimes I think he seems like a "young Turk" to me.

And for those who are not familiar with the expression or who are actually Turkish, here:
 

www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/15/messages/739.html
 

In any case, the one thing that Gameloading has is a good head on his shoulders and he explains his point very well. Whether or not people agree with his postion or not is another thing. I more often than not usually see the logic in what he says. Quite frankly if I was a game designer I would actually ask for his opinion even though I may or may not follow it because it is so well thought out and he sometimes he can see the heart of the matter is a very concise way.

Having said that, Gameloading is very Right and very Wrong in this postion.

He is wrong in that the lead designer stated, in no uncertain terms that Aion is a PvE and PVP game and is their attempt to bring equal focus on both.

He is right in that his above statement is correct in my eyes.

If I was a pve player and hated pvp, quite frankly I would steer away from Aion. There, I said it. From what I have experienced thus far (lvl 29) the pve is not really very compelling. Oh sure there are some great stories and the world has an interesting backstory but it really is very much a kill x and bring y to z pve experience.

And yes, LOTRO has this and a lot of it. So does WoW and any number of games. But Aion's would not satisfy a strictly pve person. At least in my opinion.

The pve does act as a nice diversion from an all out pvp experience. Which many would not want. The game does not work as a strictly pvp game because those who want to do nothing but pvp will not be happy. Heck, even now on the Aionsource forum, there is a post where a player wants to completely remove the npc guard posts in the abyss.

So I agree with his statement that EQ 2, though a fine game in its own right (but a bit precious for me in some regards) really is not a pvp game. The pvp really was tacked on afterwards. And I would probably steer anyone who wanted a more robust pvp experience toward Aion over EQ 2. conversely I would steer anyone who wanted a more robust pve experience to EQ 2.

Because Aion doesn't charge you extra for items or dungeon access.

As for as the PvE / PvP thing...

EQ2 does have better PvE, although it's been out for 5 years. Aion has better PvP than just about every game, depending on your personal tastes of course. They're both high fantasy games with quests and mobs and dungeons (even though your $15 / month does not give you access to all items and dungeons in EQ2). You COULD level to 50 in Aion and never PvP, although you would miss out on a lot of content.

 yep eq2 had the edge till today 

aion received sli supoort from nvidia  today so it should improve those guys by a long shot

eq2 is still a very good game,but some dont like it because its too gothic 

very real feel ,but most a lot love the genre

EQ2 is a far better game than it gets credit for.

Originally posted by nonjonron

That is the question I am asking myself today.   I've been playing Aion for about a week now.  Its a good game so far.

That said, I have played EQ2 on and off over the years.  It is a very polished game at this point with loads of content.  I've played on the PvP server.

With the exception of flying, I don't see a huge difference between the game play in Aion and EQ2.  Granted, Aion is faster - you are always moving.  But EQ2 is quite deep.  The spell options and character advancement options in EQ2 are enormous.  Both have great graphics (EQ2 graphics are very good).

I will keep playing Aion for at least a month or 2.  Anyone else played both games?  Thoughts?

 

The only reason to choose a new game over the one you're playing when both games are similar enough, is when you're tired of the old game. It's also better to choose the new game over the old game when you haven't played either yet, because the new game allows you to get in the game while it's still new.

It sounds to me the OP isn't tired of the old game, so perhaps the OP is just wasting his time in AION? Another thought is there must be some reason you picked up AION in the first place; perhaps boredom of EQ2?

Originally posted by metalhead980

If you like more of a pve experience play EQ2 if you like more of a pvp experience play Aion.

 

But if we like a Balance of both, Play WoW | RoM

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If I was a casual player looking for a small group themepark PvE game then EQ2 is a valid option.

If I was looking for a PvP game with themepark PvE and horrible crafting then Aion is a valid option.

Since I wanted a good PvP game with indepth crafting and economy without the themepark PvE I decided to give Fallen Earth a try and loving it so far :)

Aion has pretty well thought out PvP setup. The RvR gives PvP a meaning. PvP in Aion is very good. The PvE in Aion is lacking.

EQ2 has very good pve setup and enviroment. EQ2 has the best crafting system out there as well. Raiding is also alot of fun in EQ2. I simply did not like the graphics of EQ2 very much. 

Goddamn children in here, whoever said PVPVE was right, and has been right since beta when the people who made the game announced it.

http://www.slicedgaming.com/features/feature200.html

Sliced Gaming: What are the key features of Aion that differentiate it from other MMORPGs?

Lani Blazier: We know players have choices in what to buy and play, so it’s important to us that we offer them game mechanics and experiences that they’re not necessarily going to find in any other MMORPG. Aion features tactical flight, introducing three-dimensional combat as a game mechanic. Tactical flight will change the way players and Legions (Aion’s guilds) think about combat strategies. We’ve combined PvP and PvE—into PvPvE—so players no longer have to commit to one or the other.

PvPvE allows them to play both while also giving them the option to focus on one over the other. NCsoft has also always been known for its robust character creator systems (City of Heroes, Guild Wars), and we’ve definitely taken character creation to the next level with Aion. Not only can players create a truly distinctive character look, but they can also customize the way they play the game with that character. An example of gameplay customization is the use of Stigma stones. By using different combinations of Stigma stones, players can enhance and change their character’s class so that the character’s abilities are unique.

The odd part of this quote is "allows" --not an option of PVPVE, because half the fun of ganking is ganking people who don't want to PVP anyway? =D

On a personal note I do believe the PVE only crowd still  make up the larger market share but according to mmo numbers, Aion is currently the #2 mmo in the world subscribers wise.

http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/1m-12m.png

Hopefully it doesn't experience the warhammer drop--no one should ever have to experience the warhammer drop =P (lotta people hired on and fired off in a few months, very sad)
 

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Originally posted by blueturtle13 EQ2 is a far better game than it gets credit for.

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EQ2 was ok, Aion is ok.  I wouldn't say which is better because I think it's pretty much the same.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by Gameloading

You got to love people who actually convinced themselves a game can only be a PVP or a PVE game and not both.

 

If someone told you that they hated pvp and loved pve would you point them to Aion knowing of Aions forced pvp?

Of course not.

If someone told you that they hated pve and loved pvp would you point them to Aion knowing of Aions forced pve?

Of course not, unless they wanted to hire someone else to level their chars and wanted to buy gold to get competitive equipment from the very first moment.