As long as they only put black and white crystals there, I won't give a flying fuck about it

See If i was Bioware, I'd just put in stuff like respecs and all that technical stuff. I reckon when you buy an item, it loses its value. You didn't earn it. You didn't fight through hell to get it. Like that holocron collection in galaxies, I'm proud to say I did it myself. Twice.

 I reckon aslong as they don't give rediculous items like black and white crystals, I'll be happy. Nothing breaks immersion more than some jedi weilding some nerd porn. I mean, it's simple. Jedi blue-green-yellow-purple. Sith Red-Purple.

Aslong as they keep everything in the right look of the game, I'll be happy.

If they have a cash shop, and a subscription system... I don't think I'll bother with SW:TOR. I was lookin forward to it, but so much good is coming out of 2010 that I'm not worried it'll be the only fun game to play at that time.

I have no problem with item shops, its all fluff anyways.

I fully support RMT and will continue to do so, if SWTOR has it, ill be the first to purchase from it!

Originally posted by wolfing

So you'd prefer if the items weren't there at all.

See, it's not that the items would be there for free without microtransactions.

Yes, it is. That`s exactly what it is.

  The income from microtransactions is what's paying for the artists/coders needed to create those items in the first place. Without microtransactions they just wouldn't be there. See it like this:

Prove it. that`s a very conenient claim to support cash shops with no evidence that I have seen.

 

 Normal game or

 Normal game + extra items + microtransactions

There is no 'Normal game + extra items' option.

Normal game is `Normal game + extra items`. Unless you are playing some P2P game which patches in no content outside of a paid expansion. If so, what game is that?

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by wolfing

So you'd prefer if the items weren't there at all.

See, it's not that the items would be there for free without microtransactions.

Yes, it is. That`s exactly what it is.

  The income from microtransactions is what's paying for the artists/coders needed to create those items in the first place. Without microtransactions they just wouldn't be there. See it like this:

Prove it. that`s a very conenient claim to support cash shops with no evidence that I have seen.

 

 Normal game or

 Normal game + extra items + microtransactions

There is no 'Normal game + extra items' option.

Normal game is `Normal game + extra items`. Unless you are playing some P2P game which patches in no content outside of a paid expansion. If so, what game is that?

 Got a question for you Doubter.

Would you play if there was a cash shop that only dealt in non 'uber' items. I.E 'fluff'. Or would the very fact that there are microtransactions prevent you playing.

From what I understand, we're not forced to buy. We get the game plus content for our subscription. The microtransactions are for unneeded things.

Only thing that'll annoy me is if they get stupid like galaxies did with 'Wings' and halos. Stuff that breaks immersion.

Originally posted by Maverz290

Got a question for you Doubter.

Would you play if there was a cash shop that only dealt in non 'uber' items. I.E 'fluff'. Or would the very fact that there are microtransactions prevent you playing.

I quit playing WoW when they started the pet shop. Fluff matters a lot to some players (not me, really). I do care about equality in a game, though. Paid extras means a tiered system of access. I will not stand for that.

I will not pay to play in a game with paid content. In a game - you show your dedication and skill by playing, not by paying.

From what I understand, we're not forced to buy. We get the game plus content for our subscription. The microtransactions are for unneeded things.

 

Nothing is needed. It is all optional. As long as you do not care about having fun in a game you are paying for.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Maverz290

Got a question for you Doubter.

Would you play if there was a cash shop that only dealt in non 'uber' items. I.E 'fluff'. Or would the very fact that there are microtransactions prevent you playing.

I quit playing WoW when they started the pet shop. Fluff matters a lot to some players (not me, really). I do care about equality in a game, though. Paid extras means a tiered system of access. I will not stand for that.

I will not pay to play in a game with paid content. In a game - you show your dedication and skill by playing, not by paying.

From what I understand, we're not forced to buy. We get the game plus content for our subscription. The microtransactions are for unneeded things.

 

Nothing is needed. It is all optional. As long as you do not care about having fun in a game you are paying for.

So I go to a baseball game and you are telling me I should get free food and a baseball cap with my ticket price? 

I shouldn't have to pay extra for those side things?

Originally posted by Laughing-man

So I go to a baseball game and you are telling me I should get free food and a baseball cap with my ticket price? 

I shouldn't have to pay extra for those side things?

You should also pay a sub fee for each inning. Although, I hear the "end game" is a bit of a let down..just more of the same grind.

Really though, why does everything devolve to bad analogies? Baseball caps and food....You have to physically make or prepare one for every customer that wants one. Item Shop products...you have a script that copies something, that was made (and hopefully QA'd) once, to someone's account.

The problem with analogies is that they are easy to pick apart and distract form the actual topic to more or so nit-picking (see previous paragraph for example).

For my money, an Item Shop is a negative. An item shop plus sub fee is a big negative. That's just my opinion and a factor in deciding how to spend my money. Will it keep me from playing the game; possibly. Depends on how intrusive it all feels. I'd love to have a good SW MMO to play again so I'll reserve judgement until I see the implementation.

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Maverz290

Got a question for you Doubter.

Would you play if there was a cash shop that only dealt in non 'uber' items. I.E 'fluff'. Or would the very fact that there are microtransactions prevent you playing.

I quit playing WoW when they started the pet shop. Fluff matters a lot to some players (not me, really). I do care about equality in a game, though. Paid extras means a tiered system of access. I will not stand for that.

I will not pay to play in a game with paid content. In a game - you show your dedication and skill by playing, not by paying.

From what I understand, we're not forced to buy. We get the game plus content for our subscription. The microtransactions are for unneeded things.

 

Nothing is needed. It is all optional. As long as you do not care about having fun in a game you are paying for.

So I go to a baseball game and you are telling me I should get free food and a baseball cap with my ticket price? 

I shouldn't have to pay extra for those side things?

I don't see the logic here.

Having game-altering microtransactions is like paying big bucks to get good seats at a ball game, but having a blocking screen pop up in front of you every inning, which you'd have to pay to remove. It is nothing like paying for hotdog or a cold brew. I have to pay for those when I'm playing MMOs, too.

Originally posted by Hrothmund

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Maverz290

Got a question for you Doubter.

Would you play if there was a cash shop that only dealt in non 'uber' items. I.E 'fluff'. Or would the very fact that there are microtransactions prevent you playing.

I quit playing WoW when they started the pet shop. Fluff matters a lot to some players (not me, really). I do care about equality in a game, though. Paid extras means a tiered system of access. I will not stand for that.

I will not pay to play in a game with paid content. In a game - you show your dedication and skill by playing, not by paying.

From what I understand, we're not forced to buy. We get the game plus content for our subscription. The microtransactions are for unneeded things.

 

Nothing is needed. It is all optional. As long as you do not care about having fun in a game you are paying for.

So I go to a baseball game and you are telling me I should get free food and a baseball cap with my ticket price? 

I shouldn't have to pay extra for those side things?

I don't see the logic here.

 

Having game-altering microtransactions is like paying big bucks to get good seats at a ball game, but having a blocking screen pop up in front of you every inning, which you'd have to pay to remove. It is nothing like paying for hotdog or a cold brew. I have to pay for those when I'm playing MMOs, too.

 I don't think anyone agrees with 'game altering' microtransactions. The arguement is people believe they should get all content with their subscription costs. However its not true. In a game like STO, theres poor content, they need more, but they waste their content building skills on cryptic store stuff, instead of adding content. Now if SwTOR has the content, then I guess they could get away with such a thing, eventually. First you need a solid game.

 Thats why Cryptic are morons. Not all, just the ones who decided to add microtransactions WITH a sub.

Now I reckon its okay if its like... adds a new bunch of faces to choose from in character creator. However there has to be sufficiant amount of faces first by default. Otherwise its just them stealing money off you for content you should've already been given.

I really dislike item shops and micro-transactions. When I play a game, I want to relax and enjoy myself and forget about the real world....not constantly worry about how much real money I'm spending...or whether item X is worth the real dollars that I spend on it.

Not everyone is like that...but that's certainly my personal preference.

I look at it like one of those "all-inclusive" vacations where you pay one fee up front and you get to partake as much or as little as you want in the activities. That basicaly allows you to relax and forget about everything but the vacation and having fun while you're there.

There is nothing I hate more then having to dig into your wallet every time you want to do something or get something. It's not even the actual cost so much.... I don't mind paying premium dollar for a quality experience.... as it is the act of having to constantly think about how much you are spending (one of the reasons I hate gambling).

I'd rather pay a $30 a month sub fee and no micro-transactions then a $15 a month sub with RMT. At the very least...if they do open a RMT shop....I hope they offer Premium sub fee where you can pay a higher monthly sub....and then get anything that is availble in the cash shop for in-game currency or as an in-game drop. Call it an Unlimited Subscription or something like that.

My personal preference would be a one price subscription model with no cash shop....but if they do institute one..I'd rather they institute some sort of "all-inclusive" plan for those that don't want to bother with micro-transactions but still want access to everything that might be available in game.

Originally posted by Maverz290

Originally posted by Hrothmund

Originally posted by Laughing-man

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Maverz290

Got a question for you Doubter.

Would you play if there was a cash shop that only dealt in non 'uber' items. I.E 'fluff'. Or would the very fact that there are microtransactions prevent you playing.

I quit playing WoW when they started the pet shop. Fluff matters a lot to some players (not me, really). I do care about equality in a game, though. Paid extras means a tiered system of access. I will not stand for that.

I will not pay to play in a game with paid content. In a game - you show your dedication and skill by playing, not by paying.

From what I understand, we're not forced to buy. We get the game plus content for our subscription. The microtransactions are for unneeded things.

 

Nothing is needed. It is all optional. As long as you do not care about having fun in a game you are paying for.

So I go to a baseball game and you are telling me I should get free food and a baseball cap with my ticket price? 

I shouldn't have to pay extra for those side things?

I don't see the logic here.

 

Having game-altering microtransactions is like paying big bucks to get good seats at a ball game, but having a blocking screen pop up in front of you every inning, which you'd have to pay to remove. It is nothing like paying for hotdog or a cold brew. I have to pay for those when I'm playing MMOs, too.

 I don't think anyone agrees with 'game altering' microtransactions. The arguement is people believe they should get all content with their subscription costs. However its not true. In a game like STO, theres poor content, they need more, but they waste their content building skills on cryptic store stuff, instead of adding content. Now if SwTOR has the content, then I guess they could get away with such a thing, eventually. First you need a solid game.

 Thats why Cryptic are morons. Not all, just the ones who decided to add microtransactions WITH a sub.

Now I reckon its okay if its like... adds a new bunch of faces to choose from in character creator. However there has to be sufficiant amount of faces first by default. Otherwise its just them stealing money off you for content you should've already been given.

I do not agree. The baseball metaphor was flawed. Nobody expects to get free hot dogs and beer when going to a baseball game. People do expect to get access to all the content and game altering items in MMOs, when paying a monthly fee however. Expansions are a different thing.

Blizzard has the their little pet and mount store, and I do not like it all. Hwever, mounts will not aid you in raid encounters or the end-game PvP that matters, arenas. Pets are purely vanity items. Blizzard's real additional cost content are their expansion packs. I'm willing to pay for more content if its a major update like, the mentioned WoW expansions. I think Blizzard also has a good handle on the pricing and frequency of the these expansions.

I'm fine with something like that. Paying $10 extra per month to be competitive is something I will not put up with.

Originally posted by GrumpyMel2

I really dislike item shops and micro-transactions. When I play a game, I want to relax and enjoy myself and forget about the real world....not constantly worry about how much real money I'm spending...or whether item X is worth the real dollars that I spend on it.

Not everyone is like that...but that's certainly my personal preference.

Mine too. The other major issue for me is the inequality between haves and have-nots in a game. I won't tolerate that.

Some people have mentioned having content areas purchasable (like what happens in a WoW expansion, only smaller scale) and that's not acceptable to me. I don't want to make friends with someone in-game and have them not able to group with me in a certain dungeon because they haven't paid for it.

Everyone pays the same. Everyone has equal access.

I think they'll be there. You only have 8 classes and a few of those are iconic lightsaber types. You don't think they're going to offer people to buy different colors or hilts, cloaks etc... common. That's like someone turning down a million dollar record deal because they don't want to be mainstream....that doesn't exist anymore. Welcome to 2010 and the decade of greed.

I can currently buy small content patches in mass effect 2 and dragon age for money.  Why do people think the model will change because its an mmo?

If they sell weapons and armors that players must have then count me out. If it is all cosmetic stuff then I'm ok with it.