Originally posted by chesiremorph

One in every 8 people will be the same as you. yes they may have orange hair and they may be a midget, but their skillset is exactly like yours.

this is like saying that every chess player has the same pieces, or that every boxer has two gloves, every team has the same type of players etc...

Originally posted by glofish

Originally posted by chesiremorph

One in every 8 people will be the same as you. yes they may have orange hair and they may be a midget, but their skillset is exactly like yours.

this is like saying that every chess player has the same pieces, or that every boxer has two gloves, every team has the same type of players etc...

 

No... it's like playing chess with only Pauns and rooks.... or boxing with only jabs and hooks..... or playing football with only linemen and quarterbacks....

the more class variability a game has the more complicated it becomes.... sooooo.... fewer classes equils simplicity of play.... generaly that is.....

I enjoy complexity... so I want more classes... you may be satisfied with Arena football.... but I like the NFL ... if you don't get what I'm saying .... I'm sorry..... comparing MMO's to chess and boxing is stupid anyway.

Wrender,

I had a similar problem. What I was doing "wrong" was that I was typing [ /block <name> ] , with the first letter of the name in lower-case. This results in the system returning the message that the player is blocked, but it does not actually do anything.

If you do what I did, right-clicking will NOT work, until you first type [ /unblock <name> ]. Then you can right-click block, or use [ /block <name> ] (with the first letter of the name capitalized) and it should work.

Hopefully this helps, I was as frustrated as you until I figured it out. Played last night for about 5 hours, blocked 4-5 spammers in that time. Doesn't seem to bad to me for a new game, but I'd like to see the spam diminish over the next couple months.

Originally posted by chesiremorph

No... it's like playing chess with only Pauns and rooks.... or boxing with only jabs and hooks..... or playing football with only linemen and quarterbacks....

I think this is something that you deliberatly mis-interpret. The point that I was making is that having identical "moves" or "abilities" does not make people identical. There is a large number of variability in many aspects of the gameplay, now whether  that is enjoyable to you or not is a different question.

If you get beat in WoW's Arena or Aion pvp  - that's because the other guy is  better than you (not as a human being, but at pushing some buttons in some, optimal order).

Originally posted by Wrender

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by JonMichael

Any popular MMO these days has gold spamming problems right after launch.  LOTRO was awful in the early days.

Not to worry, NCSoft will smash em.  The spammers that were hitting chat channels last night were getting caught by GM's on my server.  There was even an announcement that they were aware of them and what to do to report them.

I'm usually too busy to even pay attention to them.

 

 

 

HEH now where was that screenshot again?? Has NCsoft paid MMORPG to delete it? I smell a conspiracy here....

Naw... that was my bad. They don't allow RMT site ads on here, or links to such sites (+1 for mmorpg.com), and the screenshot I posted is littered with them. I should have blurred them out.

Here's the image with the address blurred out... This *shouldn't* be a violation now...


 

Originally posted by Wrender

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Ethian

Originally posted by Wrender

Well I can't take it any longer. Never have I played a game where gold spamming is as rampant as it is in AION. It is getting worse every day and NCsoft apparantly aren't doing anything about it. It started out with mainly constant "tells" I could block those ,,,no problem but today when I logged in I noticed it has spread to an almost constant stream ..Litterally hundreds of gold spamming bots are flooding ALL the chat channels and blocking them has no effect in the chat channels. I can't even send or read a message as the chat is scrolling way to fast to keep track. And it's all gold spamming. It is driving me insane! I am almost to the point of cancelling my account and I was really enjoying the game! Any sugestions as I have been told that blocking the spam names stops it. But for me blocking them only has stopped the tells ...no effect on chat channels? Any suggestions would be welcomed!

 

Not sure if anyones mentioned it here but you go /anon ingame so they cant send you gold tells anymore. At least they dont for me anyway. 

You have to do this command each time you log on. I usually forget but once I get my first gold spam its become automatic for me now. Hope this helps!!

That worked for a short time. The RMT have gotten wise to it, so now they simply spam the chat channels.

Incidentally... I whipped up a quick new logo for them.. I'm thinking of presenting it to them, as sort of a "parting gift". Think they'll like it?

Awesome Logo ! Can I use it?
 

Heheh sure.

Are there botters in the game running rampant yet?

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by Brixon

Yeah the gold farmers are running wild now. Sure there are ways to reduce the spam, but these are band-aids for a bigger problem. Does NCsoft condone this activity? If not then they need to get busy banning these morons. Sure there will always be a market for gold sellers, but you can do a simple google search to find them. People shouldn't have to put up with in game harrasment like this.

It's not that hard to fight. GM creates a level 1 character and just starts swinging the ban stick.

 

If the multi-billion a year gaming giant Blizzard can't stop them in WoW, what makes you think anyone can? Gold farmers are like the cold virus, no one wants it, but theres nothing you can do to eliminate it from the face of the planet.

Giant Blizzard can't stop them, yet a single guy at home can make a perfectly working add-on that filters all the gold messages. You simply don't get a single gold message using that filter.

So giant Blizzard really doesn't want to stop them. Neither does NCsoft.

Offer to sell in-game currency like CCP does with EvE online and match the market price so no one is going to buy it off the gold farmers. It's the only way to stop it. You get more money since players are now paying your company for the gold rather than some Chinese guy, and your playerbase is free of the constant spam.

I'm not sure NcSoft realizes the scope of this problem.

Now that I can get right on to my server since there are no longer queues (I'm thinking this is a good thing?), my first few minutes are spent blocking all the obvious goldsellers (you know who you are, asdufiudfiujk) and then blocking all the people who went to the site to claim their 'free' gifts from NcSoft and all they had to do was enter their username and password, and then I block all the people talking about wow, or Obama or my mom and then I'm sort of ready to play

Crap, I forgot to /anon and am getting whispers from more gold sellers so I need another few minutes to block those jerks. 

Wow, something I put up sold in the AH!  Woot.  Go pick that up. 

Ok, ready to check my quest journals and mark the quests I want to finish tonight.  Unfortunately, that's all the time I have tonight to play.  I guess I'll try again tomorrow.

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Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by Brixon

Yeah the gold farmers are running wild now. Sure there are ways to reduce the spam, but these are band-aids for a bigger problem. Does NCsoft condone this activity? If not then they need to get busy banning these morons. Sure there will always be a market for gold sellers, but you can do a simple google search to find them. People shouldn't have to put up with in game harrasment like this.

It's not that hard to fight. GM creates a level 1 character and just starts swinging the ban stick.

 

If the multi-billion a year gaming giant Blizzard can't stop them in WoW, what makes you think anyone can? Gold farmers are like the cold virus, no one wants it, but theres nothing you can do to eliminate it from the face of the planet.

Giant Blizzard can't stop them, yet a single guy at home can make a perfectly working add-on that filters all the gold messages. You simply don't get a single gold message using that filter.

So giant Blizzard really doesn't want to stop them. Neither does NCsoft.

Can you provide a link to this mystical addon that no one else can find?

Originally posted by Raztor

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by Brixon

Yeah the gold farmers are running wild now. Sure there are ways to reduce the spam, but these are band-aids for a bigger problem. Does NCsoft condone this activity? If not then they need to get busy banning these morons. Sure there will always be a market for gold sellers, but you can do a simple google search to find them. People shouldn't have to put up with in game harrasment like this.

It's not that hard to fight. GM creates a level 1 character and just starts swinging the ban stick.

 

If the multi-billion a year gaming giant Blizzard can't stop them in WoW, what makes you think anyone can? Gold farmers are like the cold virus, no one wants it, but theres nothing you can do to eliminate it from the face of the planet.

Giant Blizzard can't stop them, yet a single guy at home can make a perfectly working add-on that filters all the gold messages. You simply don't get a single gold message using that filter.

So giant Blizzard really doesn't want to stop them. Neither does NCsoft.

Can you provide a link to this mystical addon that no one else can find?

Go to WoWinterface and search for Spam, you'll find some.

Originally posted by Wrender

Originally posted by WSIMike

Originally posted by Kyleran

Originally posted by tanoril

Originally posted by DuraheLL

Originally posted by tanori

You never played Lineage 2, did you?

 

no

 

The reason I asked you this is L2 is the case study example of how a game can get completely ruined by gold farming.  You log into that game now and there are whole sections of the game that is just infested by gold farmers/botters.  It does have an effect on the server if it's not handled properly.

No one denies that other games doesn't have this problem (WoW included), but NcSoft has a history of not being very aggressive towards the problem.

 

Lineage 2 had one major difference from Aion (that I've seen so far) and that is, in Lineage 2, crafted gear was the best, extremely expensive to buy (was quite easy for your levels to outpace your ability to earn enough adena to pay for next tier set) and therefore was a botting/gold selling paradise.

In Aion so far dropped gear has sometimes exceeded quest gear, and I've not seen any evidence that I need some sort of crafted gear at the lower levels to succeed.

If no one really feels the need to buy it, they gold sellers will subside on their own and move on to more profitable games.

(I've not reached the upper levels however, and perhaps you really do need a lot of gold to thrive)

 

It's not only gear that people buy in-game gold for. They buy it simply so they never have to worry about money for *anything* they want.

 

 

Ya know I never understood that mentality. Why don't they just make a game for 15 dollars a month you spend an hour or two creating your character and soon as you log in you are presented with an armor/weapon shop that has every possible item you could find all for free that you just pick and equip and when you leave the shop the entire game world consists only of a rotating  pedestal to stand on and emotes for /dance  /showoff? Maybe I should go into the MMO buisness myself .,I think I might be able to pull that off pretty easily  ****  Sarcasm OFF!

I know you were joking, but there is such a "game" out there and it is very popular.

It is Second Life.

You make the toon, buy currency (Linden Dollars) and buy all the stuff you can afford from shops to make your toon pretty, rp compatiable, combat ready, etc.

After all that, most folks wander around looking pretty, socialize and dance. 

It's not about weapons and armor usually, but it is exactly what you have described.

You know you can make custom chat tabs?  I made one that has enemy activity (in red letters), group chat, and legion chat.  I keep that one on most of the time ao i don't see any of the gold spammers messages.  It works well as a warning indicator that Asmodians are in the area too.  But I agree that NCSoft is not taking the action they were supposed to in controllion the spam.  Maybe they need to hire more GM's.

Originally posted by glofish

Originally posted by chesiremorph

No... it's like playing chess with only Pauns and rooks.... or boxing with only jabs and hooks..... or playing football with only linemen and quarterbacks....

I think this is something that you deliberatly mis-interpret. The point that I was making is that having identical "moves" or "abilities" does not make people identical. There is a large number of variability in many aspects of the gameplay, now whether  that is enjoyable to you or not is a different question.

If you get beat in WoW's Arena or Aion pvp  - that's because the other guy is  better than you (not as a human being, but at pushing some buttons in some, optimal order).

 

 

chesiremorph -- dude you can stop now.  It is painfully obvious you are arguing with someone alot smarter then you are.
 

Originally posted by battleaxe22

Leave it to fanboys to ignore a serious problem their game has.    NCsoft haven't done shit against farmers on lineage2.Heck you couldn't surive there without buying adena.    If this game goes the same path ,and apparantly it   ul be seeing  a massive exodus soon :)

I survived and did well without botting and buying adena in Lineage 2.

Originally posted by altairzq

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Originally posted by Brixon

Yeah the gold farmers are running wild now. Sure there are ways to reduce the spam, but these are band-aids for a bigger problem. Does NCsoft condone this activity? If not then they need to get busy banning these morons. Sure there will always be a market for gold sellers, but you can do a simple google search to find them. People shouldn't have to put up with in game harrasment like this.

It's not that hard to fight. GM creates a level 1 character and just starts swinging the ban stick.

 

If the multi-billion a year gaming giant Blizzard can't stop them in WoW, what makes you think anyone can? Gold farmers are like the cold virus, no one wants it, but theres nothing you can do to eliminate it from the face of the planet.

Giant Blizzard can't stop them, yet a single guy at home can make a perfectly working add-on that filters all the gold messages. You simply don't get a single gold message using that filter.

So giant Blizzard really doesn't want to stop them. Neither does NCsoft.

Actually in wow, if you right click on the name, it blocks them from your chat windows and reports them at the same time. I see one message, report, never see them again, until a new one comes along. I have seen maybe 3-4 in the last month or so.

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