Originally posted by metalhead980

im sorry but someone like me will never be all 99.9 in everything. Some of us just dont play enough and honestly most of use will skill in shit that helps us improve our character in our own playstyle.

I dont even like casting in DF so I've basically just used archery and Melee and im fine with that. Every fucking troll on this forum tells people everyone is the same and thats just bullshit.

Honestly why level up archery skills if you hate using a bow? why bother with magic if you like archery? Why would I waste my time raising every stupid freaking skill if I dont intend to do everything?

The game gives me the freedom to do what I want, If i wanna specialize I can, If I want to be everything I could do that also that is freedom.

 

Just a "devil's advocate", but if everyone can grind to 99.9 skill or max out everything, then are you specializing or handicapping?

edit: just to expand a little, I think a skill decay system or a significant time sink that is not easily circumvented would really contribute to the idea of specializing. Sure, a game like EvE allows you to train all skills to max, but there is a significant barrier to reaching max skill based on the time required. As a result, specialization is the norm.

Originally posted by mklinic

Originally posted by metalhead980

im sorry but someone like me will never be all 99.9 in everything. Some of us just dont play enough and honestly most of use will skill in shit that helps us improve our character in our own playstyle.

I dont even like casting in DF so I've basically just used archery and Melee and im fine with that. Every fucking troll on this forum tells people everyone is the same and thats just bullshit.

Honestly why level up archery skills if you hate using a bow? why bother with magic if you like archery? Why would I waste my time raising every stupid freaking skill if I dont intend to do everything?

The game gives me the freedom to do what I want, If i wanna specialize I can, If I want to be everything I could do that also that is freedom.

 

Just a "devil's advocate", but if everyone can grind to 99.9 skill or max out everything, then are you specializing or handicapping?

edit: just to expand a little, I think a skill decay system or a significant time sink that is not easily circumvented would really contribute to the idea of specializing. Sure, a game like EvE allows you to train all skills to max, but there is a significant barrier to reaching max skill based on the time required. As a result, specialization is the norm.

Specializing, I wont be at a disadvantage if I only trained up Archery an melee while another guy has magic, archery and melee.

I've already tested this out I kill people just as much as I die as an archer with decent melee skills for oh shit situations.

Anyway last time I checked it does take quite some time to skill in everything, this is not something you could do in a couple months believe me. Actually I dont think we have any players in game that naturally skilled everything (by naturally I mean not macro botting).

Originally posted by metalhead980

Specializing, I wont be at a disadvantage if I only trained up Archery an melee while another guy has magic, archery and melee.

I've already tested this out I kill people just as much as I die as an archer with decent melee skills for oh shit situations.

Anyway last time I checked it does take quite some time to skill in everything, this is not something you could do in a couple months believe me. Actually I dont think we have any players in game that naturally skilled everything (by naturally I mean not macro botting).
 

I think you touched on what I was implying with my "easily circumvented" comment. I mean, in EvE, you can train learning skills and get implants, but otherwise, you're not going to accelerate training really. These are in game mechanics meant to 'naturally' assist in training as quickly as possible. One of the main gripes (posted on these forums at least) is the ability to "cheat the system" and I think that is where the idea that someone could max out across the board comes from.

Regardless, this is diverging a bit from the topic of sandbox or not and I think just about every argument that could be made has been made on that topic :P. The sandbox crowd will decide with their wallets and ultimately, if it meets each players personal standards then for them I suppose it's a sandbox. For me, I think it's done better by CCP, but I'll keep my eye on this as I think things are moving in the right direction.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Honestly why level up archery skills if you hate using a bow? why bother with magic if you like archery? Why would I waste my time raising every stupid freaking skill if I dont intend to do everything?

Why level them up? Why not level them up? You're still giving yourself a combat advantage over your opponent and so, in the long run, the only real way to play the game is to level up everything, as you would not be able to compete otherwise.

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by metalhead980

Honestly why level up archery skills if you hate using a bow? why bother with magic if you like archery? Why would I waste my time raising every stupid freaking skill if I dont intend to do everything?

Why level them up? Why not level them up? You're still giving yourself a combat advantage over your opponent and so, in the long run, the only real way to play the game is to level up everything, as you would not be able to compete otherwise.

Welcome to MMORPG's , in MMORPG'sthere is skill and char  progression, if  you level up skills on your char you become better at them over time. 

You are wrong on that part about "not able to compete".  Some masters in archery will tell you otherwise and of course is not to expect that you mastered anything in Darkfall.

You only have to do what you think in fun in DF.  You love sword + shield, archery and fire magic....you "level up that! Simply as that.

And yes, you CAN skill up anything you like! But every human on earth can be a doctor as well......but they arent. Because they dont want to. I know its a really bad comparison. But you understand what i mean.

Originally posted by daarco

You only have to do what you think in fun in DF.  You love sword + shield, archery and fire magic....you "level up that! Simply as that.

And yes, you CAN skill up anything you like! But every human on earth can be a doctor as well......but they arent. Because they dont want to. I know its a really bad comparison. But you understand what i mean.

In DF, you can be anything and everything, and can end up with every skill, learning everything there is to learn in the "world".  In real life, yeah, you can be a doctor, that is just one profession, but try being every profession and learning everything there is to learn on the face of the Earth...real world and game world comparisons don't really work here I'm afraid.

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by metalhead980

Honestly why level up archery skills if you hate using a bow? why bother with magic if you like archery? Why would I waste my time raising every stupid freaking skill if I dont intend to do everything?

Why level them up? Why not level them up? You're still giving yourself a combat advantage over your opponent and so, in the long run, the only real way to play the game is to level up everything, as you would not be able to compete otherwise.

Why would I want to raise a skill that I don't enjoy?

Because other people use magic? fuck that!!! I'm not a sheep, I do what I want with MY character and I practice practice practice.

You ask the last piece of shit dwarf that I snipered to death if I could "compete", seriously do you even play this game?

Man up and make a character that you enjoy playing, dont follow others like a sheep.

In my earlier days of EVE, it was said it would take over 6 years to max out your skills. Nowadays it would take much longer as they have added many more skills.

I'm by no means saying Darkfall will have the insane variety of skills that EVE ended up with, but come on you don't think we'll eventually be getting more skills down the line.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Why would I want to raise a skill that I don't enjoy?

Because other people use magic? fuck that!!! I'm not a sheep, I do what I want with MY character and I practice practice practice.

You ask the last piece of shit dwarf that I snipered to death if I could "compete", seriously do you even play this game?

Man up and make a character that you enjoy playing, dont follow others like a sheep.

You are the exception to the rule, then. The exception that will ultimately be ground under the boot of skill conglomate supremacy. Stop posting about you being special or whatever, the crowd follows the easiest path.

EDIT: Cecropia, EvE is different because, even if you did max out EVERY skill, you'd still be different for your item set up, whereas in Darkfall everyone uses the same equipment.

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by metalhead980

Honestly why level up archery skills if you hate using a bow? why bother with magic if you like archery? Why would I waste my time raising every stupid freaking skill if I dont intend to do everything?

Why level them up? Why not level them up? You're still giving yourself a combat advantage over your opponent and so, in the long run, the only real way to play the game is to level up everything, as you would not be able to compete otherwise.

 

Why would I want to raise a skill that I don't enjoy?

Because other people use magic? fuck that!!! I'm not a sheep, I do what I want with MY character and I practice practice practice.

You ask the last piece of shit dwarf that I snipered to death if I could "compete", seriously do you even play this game?

Man up and make a character that you enjoy playing, dont follow others like a sheep.

It's all very manly and oh-so-very nonconformist of you. However, you do know that in games, people today rarely play for flavor. They play to win, and thus will milk every little advantage they can get. By not conforming to the rule, you WILL be behind those who do.

It does not mean you won't be able to nab some hapless soul out there. But, within the game logic, you are limiting yourself, thus, gimping your character, to use the parlance or our times.

And, because this game is so poorly implemented, you have to suck up this disadvantage. A good game wouldn't penalize you for that, allowing roomy builds that at the same time promote variety and lessen the disadvantage of those who like to walk the less traveled path.

Originally posted by StrixMaxima

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by metalhead980

Honestly why level up archery skills if you hate using a bow? why bother with magic if you like archery? Why would I waste my time raising every stupid freaking skill if I dont intend to do everything?

Why level them up? Why not level them up? You're still giving yourself a combat advantage over your opponent and so, in the long run, the only real way to play the game is to level up everything, as you would not be able to compete otherwise.

 

Why would I want to raise a skill that I don't enjoy?

Because other people use magic? fuck that!!! I'm not a sheep, I do what I want with MY character and I practice practice practice.

You ask the last piece of shit dwarf that I snipered to death if I could "compete", seriously do you even play this game?

Man up and make a character that you enjoy playing, dont follow others like a sheep.

 

It's all very manly and oh-so-very nonconformist of you. However, you do know that in games, people today rarely play for flavor. They play to win, and thus will milk every little advantage they can get. By not conforming to the rule, you WILL be behind those who do.

It does not mean you won't be able to nab some hapless soul out there. But, within the game logic, you are limiting yourself, thus, gimping your character, to use the parlance or our times.

And, because this game is so poorly implemented, you have to suck up this disadvantage. A good game wouldn't penalize you for that, allowing roomy builds that at the same time promote variety and lessen the disadvantage of those who like to walk the less traveled path.

It takes forever to grind every freaking combat skill.

If someone wants to grind every skill more power to them but believe me it is in no way a IWIN button.

Think about it for a second, have you played the game? what if I strafe and aim better than you? will it really matter if you have better magic skills? What if I use my terrain better than you? what if I have more support? 

Honestly, you have a lot of variables to think about. I'm not gimping my character by playing my way. Because the game is more than just raising skills.  Its about switch gameplay and knowing how to handle certain situations.

You act as if two players fighting just stand next to each other, hard locked and cast at each other leaving it all up to skill levels. I can avoid arrows, spells and melee swings. I can kite and use terrain as an advantage.

You act as if skill sets are everything. Your forgetting the most important aspect of Darkfall, the skill it takes to become a good pvper.

Oh, and yes, when you can't heal yourself because you haven't levelled up the magic, that's not a major disadvantage at all? When you can't attack someone in melee because you haven't levelled it up, that's not a major disadvantage at all? When you can't do things that would allow you to turn the tide of the fight, that's not a major disadvantage at all?

Do you even play this game, or do you just pretend to in your head?

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Oh, and yes, when you can't heal yourself because you haven't levelled up the magic, that's not a major disadvantage at all? When you can't attack someone in melee because you haven't levelled it up, that's not a major disadvantage at all? When you can't do things that would allow you to turn the tide of the fight, that's not a major disadvantage at all?

Do you even play this game, or do you just pretend to in your head?

Your narrow mindedness is showing.

I agree with what he says and play a very similar style.

Just because you don't agree with his way of doing things, doesn't mean he's not playing.

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Oh, and yes, when you can't heal yourself because you haven't levelled up the magic, that's not a major disadvantage at all? When you can't attack someone in melee because you haven't levelled it up, that's not a major disadvantage at all? When you can't do things that would allow you to turn the tide of the fight, that's not a major disadvantage at all?

Do you even play this game, or do you just pretend to in your head?

Why are you on this forum? to promote that shitty NES looking mmo? 

Anyone that plays DF knows you don't play just by your posts.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and tell me at what lesser magic level you get Self heal and how much self heal is improved by skilling up magic? 

Ill wait for you to google it since you obviously never played the game.

Just for the record and to prevent missleading information thrown here by dishonest persons who don't hesitate to lie to you. You get a free heal spell at the first day even without having to "climb" any magic school. These is not the only way to heal yourself, for example potions and food can heal you too from the very beginning. (oops Metal has been faster).

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

Just for the record and to prevent missleading information thrown here by dishonest persons who don't hesitate to lie to you. You get a free heal spell at the first day even without having to "climb" any magic school. These is not the only way to heal yourself, for example potions and food can heal you too from the very beginning. (oops Metal has been faster).

You and I both know he's full of sh*t.

He's giving DF such a hard time because he wants people to play that wannabe sandbox mmo that looks like it was designed for gameboy advance.

I love indy games but give me a break, why would i play that pos when I could easily sub to UO and play a better 2d mmo?

Originally posted by metalhead980

Why are you on this forum? to promote that shitty NES looking mmo? 

Anyone that plays DF knows you don't play just by your posts.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and tell me at what lesser magic level you get Self heal and how much self heal is improved by skilling up magic? 

Ill wait for you to google it since you obviously never played the game.

So, wait, you're denying that levelling lesser magic will cause your self heal to get better? In mana efficiency, casting speed and how much it heals for? Man, you're a shitty liar.

ANY combat advantage is an advantage.

( Also, I'm going to guess you DO use lesser magic, so basically everything you've said before this is a lie. )

Originally posted by Dawnsinger

Originally posted by metalhead980

Why are you on this forum? to promote that shitty NES looking mmo? 

Anyone that plays DF knows you don't play just by your posts.

Why don't you do yourself a favor and tell me at what lesser magic level you get Self heal and how much self heal is improved by skilling up magic? 

Ill wait for you to google it since you obviously never played the game.

So, wait, you're denying that levelling lesser magic will cause your self heal to get better? In mana efficiency, casting speed and how much it heals for? Man, you're a shitty liar.

ANY combat advantage is an advantage.

( Also, I'm going to guess you DO use lesser magic, so basically everything you've said before this is a lie. )

You need to stop, Your making yourself look like a fool.

Play the game first before you troll please.

Psst everyone starts with lesser magic skill lol!

I could finally get Greater Magic today : )

After six months of playing.

 I hate magic. Hows that for sandbox?