i quit this game when i find that its almost impossible to complete abyss quest without being ganked. i play elyos on nekezan server. and most of the fortress are captured by asmodians. I feel so frustrated keep getting ganked, can't do quests in peace. guess im a super duper pve guy.

Originally posted by GaryM

Originally posted by rznkain

 I really wanna like LOTRO and I do to some degree.Fact is I love the ppl at Turbine Asherons Call was my first mmog and from there I have continued to buy pretty much everything they have made including Asherons Call 2.They do try to make there customers happy thats for sure.I am on the fence even now about resubbing and takin advantage of the deal they have going.If combat was abit better and I could actually get in groups to do the book quests I would probly stay there community is great.

1. The new combat system will hopefully address your concerns - right now auto-attacks delay the firing off of skills, which is what makes it feel slow and unresponsive.

2. That's a common complaint about the book quests. Starting with the next Book (Vol 2, Book 9), they are going to allow scaling the book quests just like the Skirmishes; that is, everything will be soloable if you want. Hopefully they will eventually retrofit this system for *all* the group content - especially important for the lvl45 class quests in Carn Dum and Urgarth. The Skirmish system is definitely what I'm most excited about for SoM.

2) I hope this is the case with scaling all the lower level group content to make them soloable...even if they only do that for the book quests, that would be great.  When I quit LotRO, 30 out of the 35 quests in my log were group quests, and I just got sick of being LFF all the time while trying to find some soloable quests.

Originally posted by Teala

Wow...you didn't  even make it to theend of the free month.    Sorta a waste of money don't you think?

LOL i only lasted 9 days in FE and i would say i only played about a total of 9 hours,maybe.

The thing is ,time is more important than money,if you continue to waste time in something you don't like,you can NEVER recover that time back.I actually already decided to quit FE in the second day,money was of no concern at all to me,i considered it a donation for their future development lol.

Even if i spent 500 bucks on a game,i could quit day 1 if the game was not what i wanted/needed or hoped for.

I think the problems i am reading from Aion gamers is one of the game design more so than the grind we hear them complaining about.I think what is happening is that once they have no easy mode questing to level up anymore,they look to the Abyss and PVP and soon realize how bad PVP is in games,i think they forget as they jump from game to game.PVP is the problem here not GRIND not so much the questing system or the game.

I have said this before ,once you utilize PVP you will ALWAYS have a 50/50 scenario,one half is happy the other half is not.That is not a good % to live by in a game,PVE promotes a 100/0 ratio,or close to it ,where by everyone is happy apart from the usual whining you see in games.So this is why we see instant numbers in PVP type games,they all want in but 50% want out eventually.

Why would a LotRO player play AION?

*Shakes head*

You see lil kid, back in the day us "old timers" had these MMOs where they had good PvE mixed in with some good PvP (OMG! You got PvE in my PvP!). Games like UO, AC, DAoC ...

The problem now is that most games are either one or the other ... or an attempt at both with one side being extremely weak (PvMP, for example).

Anywho .. I really liked AION, but I won't be subbing. NCSoft has sat back and let their game become infested with Bots. They are EVERYWHERE ... even in the abyss farming shards.

I like how Aion fanbois are trying to redefine what "Grind" is in MMO..."Grind" is to repeatedly have to kill mobs to level without quests really...now some have added the Quest Grind as in doing multiple quests....but intruth that defies the original idea behind "Grind" unless you are doing the same quest over and over again.  Get over it if you have to kill monsters outside of quests to level it is grinding.

 Well I play LoTRO and did try Aion in hopes of something new and entertaining. I am a PvP guy first and foremost so Aion made perfect sense for my new game. That was until I tried it and found the PvP to be lacking, the PvE to be beyond grindy and all in all just a game that bored me. Thats not to say it isn't a good game or entertaining to some people, just not to me. Because of this LoTRO is my primary game still at the moment. If I want a PvP fix I just log back into Asheron's Call on Darktide :)

Originally posted by Drakkhen

Why would a LotRO player play AION?

*Shakes head*

You see lil kid, back in the day us "old timers" had these MMOs where they had good PvE mixed in with some good PvP (OMG! You got PvE in my PvP!). Games like UO, AC, DAoC ...

The problem now is that most games are either one or the other ... or an attempt at both with one side being extremely weak (PvMP, for example).

Anywho .. I really liked AION, but I won't be subbing. NCSoft has sat back and let their game become infested with Bots. They are EVERYWHERE ... even in the abyss farming shards.

 

The point being Aion is marketed as a PvP game, and LoTRO is very much not a PvP game.

None of the games you mentioned had particularly good PvE content, if you honestly believe they did you should go back and give them a try.  Absence makes the heart grow fonder.  Aion has better PvE than every one of those games,but you keep looking through those rose colored glass if it makes you feel better.. I certainly wouldn't have played DAoC for its stimulating PvE gameplay.

I've been playing MMOs since they started with the muds on Genie, so I guess that makes me an "old timer".  My brain still isn't addled enough to, for instance,  look for good PvP content in LoTRO... so I'm not sure why you'd look for stellar PvE content in Aion.

I won't argue Aion's advantages or disadvantages on LOTRO's forum - there's plenty of that going on within Aion's forum. I will say, though, that LOTRO makes a fine fallback point from Aion. Aion's being marketed as a PvP game, and unfortunately that puts it in direct competition with some rather mature, truly PvP-focused MMOs. After spending over a hundred hours in Aion, I realize I'm simply not welcome there. I'm welcome in LOTRO. It's not the PvP mechanism - I'm also welcome in EVE - but that the game simply isn't ready for prime-time.

Besides, with the Mirkwood expansion just around the corner, I'm looking forward once again to LOTRO.

Originally posted by oliver71

Hi guys.

Just finished playing Aion . Found the game and the grind so mind numbing. THe abyss is gank central unless you have a pally with you. And at the moment the abyss is all its got going for it.  I guess i have always being a PVE guy and on that bases i find LOTRO the best there is atm. Just as an added bonus the graphics in LOTRO are so much better than AION. Anyway see you guys in the game.

You mean a Cleric ...there is no pallys in AION

Another good reason to fall back on LOTRO is to recover from the horrible community in Aion.

The open-world PVP & heavy grind might weed out the 'carebears' and 'wowtards' but at least this game's solid RP foundation seperates the civilized from the feral.

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Ragnaven

LoTRo ain't a grind, and no you don't get skills from killing X number of mobs you get titles then stat incresses through virtues from killing X number of mobs. Which is totally optional, I have three max lvl characters and I have not spent hardly any time working on virtues at all. When I do work on them I get a group together and everyone kills them own mob in that area, full group can burn through even the end game virtues in a half hour. Vs Aion needing to grind to actually lvl up, which is what people are complaining over.

As to the whole wavey hair thing, my computer can stomach those graphics with ease, but I'm running a high end dual core, sli, 8 gig rig made for gaming. Most people out there don't have a grand or more to throw down for a pc so game manufacturers decide do I want pretty, or do I want pretty and playable. The smart ones opt for pretty and playable if they plan to have a lot of people on screen at one time.

 

That is what he was refering to, the virtues. And if one could get a group together to "burn through" them then one could just as easily get a group together in Aion and burn through group related content with great xp. There are several areas that are only for grouups and the xp is extremely good.

To that end, "no" you don't have to grind to level up. There are quests out there. It's just that people are not taking the time to find them or are wanting to compeltely be led to them each time they are made available. If an npc doesn't have a quest there is a chance he might have one in a level or two.

My logbook is filled with quests that I never finished.

 If the above is your experience so far you are still a pretty low level. Quests begin to dry up at around 37+ and by 43 you have 4-5 left to do. Hopping into a group to burn out an instance, or a goup related quest is anything but "Good" exp.. as a matter of fact I make more in a few hours solo grinding than I would spending double the time in an Elite grind/instance group.

You are not yet at the level where you apparantly can see the grind, the lack of quests, and the carrot begining to shrivel..... you are therefore the exact opposite of whats needed to argue these threads.

To clarify another point : There is a grind in Lotro, there is a grind in EVERY Mmo. The catch with Aion is the grind is horridly boring, where as some games, Lotro being the example here.. disguise the grind well enough most don't notice it for what it is. THAT is the issue : Aion gives little to no incentive to grind, and makes it as boring as possible.

Aion is Grindy IMO they just need to fix there pvp instead of there forts being on stupid timers

Originally posted by Redemp 

 If the above is your experience so far you are still a pretty low level. Quests begin to dry up at around 37+ and by 43 you have 4-5 left to do...

Dunno about that, I'm just about to hit 43 and still have tons of quests in the log to do, that's with skipping a good 7 or 8 Dol Dinen group quests in the North Downs.

I'm just finishing the Trollshaws and heading upto the Misty Mountains

Originally posted by Kayless

Originally posted by Redemp 

 If the above is your experience so far you are still a pretty low level. Quests begin to dry up at around 37+ and by 43 you have 4-5 left to do...

Dunno about that, I'm just about to hit 43 and still have tons of quests in the log to do, that's with skipping a good 7 or 8 Dol Dinen group quests in the North Downs.

I'm just finishing the Trollshaws and heading upto the Misty Mountains

I think he talking about Aion ;)

Lvl 43-50 is probably the level range with the most quests in LotrO. You have MM, Angmar, Forochel and Trollshaws to quest in at thoose levels.

 I to are quitting Aion to come play LOTRO i cant go back to WOW and its casual player base and gameplay

Originally posted by Redemp

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Ragnaven

LoTRo ain't a grind, and no you don't get skills from killing X number of mobs you get titles then stat incresses through virtues from killing X number of mobs. Which is totally optional, I have three max lvl characters and I have not spent hardly any time working on virtues at all. When I do work on them I get a group together and everyone kills them own mob in that area, full group can burn through even the end game virtues in a half hour. Vs Aion needing to grind to actually lvl up, which is what people are complaining over.

As to the whole wavey hair thing, my computer can stomach those graphics with ease, but I'm running a high end dual core, sli, 8 gig rig made for gaming. Most people out there don't have a grand or more to throw down for a pc so game manufacturers decide do I want pretty, or do I want pretty and playable. The smart ones opt for pretty and playable if they plan to have a lot of people on screen at one time.

 

That is what he was refering to, the virtues. And if one could get a group together to "burn through" them then one could just as easily get a group together in Aion and burn through group related content with great xp. There are several areas that are only for grouups and the xp is extremely good.

To that end, "no" you don't have to grind to level up. There are quests out there. It's just that people are not taking the time to find them or are wanting to compeltely be led to them each time they are made available. If an npc doesn't have a quest there is a chance he might have one in a level or two.

My logbook is filled with quests that I never finished.

 

 If the above is your experience so far you are still a pretty low level. Quests begin to dry up at around 37+ and by 43 you have 4-5 left to do. Hopping into a group to burn out an instance, or a goup related quest is anything but "Good" exp.. as a matter of fact I make more in a few hours solo grinding than I would spending double the time in an Elite grind/instance group.

You are not yet at the level where you apparantly can see the grind, the lack of quests, and the carrot begining to shrivel..... you are therefore the exact opposite of whats needed to argue these threads.

To clarify another point : There is a grind in Lotro, there is a grind in EVERY Mmo. The catch with Aion is the grind is horridly boring, where as some games, Lotro being the example here.. disguise the grind well enough most don't notice it for what it is. THAT is the issue : Aion gives little to no incentive to grind, and makes it as boring as possible.

That's fine, I can't speak for 43. But I am talking about anything up to 32. And with that said there are plenty of quests and I find it hard to believe that players are complaining about lack of quests up to that point.

So with that said, I can't really take anyone's opinion except my own. I mean, people up to 32 are saying there are no quests and I have a quest log filled with quests. And they are saying no, there are no quests. Heck, I ran into a player who was too low for one of the areas and his reason was that he ran out of quests. So I started asking him whether or not he had been to certain areas and he just clammed up and insisted that he was going to stay in the higher level area.

So given that I can't even remotely agree with those players I will have to wait and see around the 40's and make my own mind up. You could very well be right. But given what I've seen I think I'll just wait and see.\

And no, I found the kill x quests in LOTRO atrocious. Even told Senor Steefel that and his reply was "yes we know and we are going to be revamping areas".

Any quest that has me run to an area, kill something, run back, kill some more things and then do it one more time to kill some mini boss is just doing it wrong. And lotro had its share of those.

However, if you were to ask me which game has the superior pve experience then it's LOTRO hands down. My advice to people is that if you are not remotely interested in the pvp experience that Aion has then by all means find another game unless the world is just compelling to you.

 Sov :

I would have dealt with Aions faults  -IF- the PvP was as it should be. At 43 + I was playing a PvE grinder, and PvP was a figment. Rifts are filled with Bots, thats not pvp. The Abyss is only active during Fort vuns, from 40+ its dead... I ran threw the upper layer for an hour and met two people a 35 and a 50.

The lack of PvP and the lack of anything but Zerg PvP up to then is what sealed its fate with me.

So... I figure i'll play Lotro for the great pve, and a fps for instant gratification.

Same here. Aion has potential if they choose to take peoples advice..until then. time to get on my runekeeper