Never bought gold myself.. have friends that bought it before

really never cared if someone bought gold  . doesnt affect  how i play the game. i myself enjoy making my own gold part of the fun to me , others might look at it as a grind but hey thats how they feel im not gonna argue about what they like or not

i dont worry how others play the game,  i just focus on what is fun to me .if someone needs to buy gold to have fun well whatever  do what you ill do what i do

Exuses and answers.....

"I have a real job and life so I can't spend time farming gold or isk"

If you are to busy to play the game, then DON"T PLAY THE GAME. quite trying to change the game that some of us do have time for.

And you know what. I do have a wife and kid, I do work a 8-5 job. and I still have time for MMO's....just as they are.

"Money = Time"

.....so how much money/time are you waisting on MMO's? once again you seem to make time to play the game, but you dont' really wanna play the game.

I think the time exuse is just bull. has nothing really to do with it. You are just lasy.

"Well since I bought gold I can pwn you in PVP, so ur the loser!"

Congrats, you need to spend real life money to beat some dude AT A COMPUTER GAME. you are now the worls biggest loser.

"Mmos are my hobby, if I wanna spend money on my hobby then let me!"

ok, but why should my hobby be ruined by yours? I love mmos. but by you buying gold/isk you are hiking up the price, and getting gear you didn't earn. which DOES effect my gameplay.

"RMT is the futer, you can't handle it"

It doesn't have to be the futer, and it shouldn't be. Our system right now works great.

"you having more time to play is an unadvantage to me, so I should be able to buy gold"

Listen i'm fairly short (5' 10") so I don't play basetball. I'm not stacked, so I don't wrestle, i'm not huge so I don't play football. In life we play games that we are able to play, if you arn't able to PLAY this game then don't.

Its like some dude steping onto the court in a NBA game and saying "i'm only only 5'5" so the rest of you have to play on your knees!!" 

IF YOU CAN"T PLAY THE WAY IT WAS MEANT TO BE PLAY"D THEN DON"T PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

End result is, people who buy gold/items/isk are lasy losers. And you don't want to spend the time to play the game the way it was meant to be play'd.

 Nope, never have. I've reported people I've known who have and told them I did. A couple of whom were suspended for buying (but not banned permanently).

Why?

For several reasons...

1. It undermines and defeats the purpose of playing the game. The idea in a game - any game - is to earn your achievements. The game provides the means to obtain those items and it's up to the player to do so using whatever means they can *in-game*. 

2. It screws up the economy. Yes, it really does. Lineage 2's economy is botched largely because the RMT have managed to get a strangle-hold on it, thanks to players paying them money to do so. FFXI's economy was out-of-hand for a while until SE stepped up and created their task force. Within a few months, the task force removed enough ill-gotten gil from the economy and got it back under control. It was even better than at launch in the US. That's just two examples.

3. RMT are annoying as hell. I play a game to hang out with friends, quest, kill stuff and have fun. I don't play it to have my chat log filled with RMT spam in local chat, PMs, etc... 

4. In many MMOs, the bots RMT use to farm overrun areas, monopolize resources in the game, screw up the auction house, and generally make the game less enjoyable for many legit players.

5. As a follow-up to point 2, when all other options become less feasible, RMT companies have and will resort to illegal tactics like trying to hack accounts, obtain customer info through key loggers, sending bogus emails pretending to be the game company, etc... 

I've seen people in this thread, and in others about this topic, say that in a given game (L2 for example) you *have* to RMT to get anywhere. Bullshit. I have played Lineage 2 on and off going on 4 years. Every single piece of gear I've earned has been through my own effort. I have never spent a dime on RMT, nor ever felt the need to. Other people I know who are better at playing the market or use riskier methods like over-enchanting have more money than they know what to do with. You never have to buy money in a MMO... that's a lame cop-out used by people who are simply too impatient to take the time to get something, want and feel entitled to have it "now".

And as for saying "well I'm not interested in spending 10 hours trying to get something"... then what the hell are you playing a MMO for? The average MMO - even a sub-average one - could potentially keep a player playing for hundreds, if not thousands of hours. 10 hours is a drop in the bucket. You are not entitled to have something "now" simply because you "don't feel like" spending the time necessary to earn it in-game.

And for those who try to spin it as being okay for this, that or the other reason... give it a rest. You know what you're doing is wrong, you know it's against the EULA (where applicable) and you know the penalties for being caught... Stop pretending that you're somehow entitled or are doing something perfectly legit because "insert cliche' overused reason here". Call it what it is: cheating.

Originally posted by WSIMike

 Nope, never have. I've reported people I've known who have and told them I did. A couple of whom were suspended for buying (but not banned permanently).

Why?

For several reasons...

1. It undermines and defeats the purpose of playing the game. The idea in a game - any game - is to earn your achievements. The game provides the means to obtain those items and it's up to the player to do so using whatever means they can *in-game*. 

2. It screws up the economy. Yes, it really does. Lineage 2's economy is botched largely because the RMT have managed to get a strangle-hold on it, thanks to players paying them money to do so. FFXI's economy was out-of-hand for a while until SE stepped up and created their task force. Within a few months, the task force removed enough ill-gotten gil from the economy and got it back under control. It was even better than at launch in the US. That's just two examples.

3. RMT are annoying as hell. I play a game to hang out with friends, quest, kill stuff and have fun. I don't play it to have my chat log filled with RMT spam in local chat, PMs, etc... 

4. In many MMOs, the bots RMT use to farm overrun areas, monopolize resources in the game, screw up the auction house, and generally make the game less enjoyable for many legit players.

5. As a follow-up to point 2, when all other options become less feasible, RMT companies have and will resort to illegal tactics like trying to hack accounts, obtain customer info through key loggers, sending bogus emails pretending to be the game company, etc... 

I've seen people in this thread, and in others about this topic, say that in a given game (L2 for example) you *have* to RMT to get anywhere. Bullshit. I have played Lineage 2 on and off going on 4 years. Every single piece of gear I've earned has been through my own effort. I have never spent a dime on RMT, nor ever felt the need to. Other people I know who are better at playing the market or use riskier methods like over-enchanting have more money than they know what to do with. You never have to buy money in a MMO... that's a lame cop-out used by people who are simply too impatient to take the time to get something, want and feel entitled to have it "now".

And as for saying "well I'm not interested in spending 10 hours trying to get something"... then what the hell are you playing a MMO for? The average MMO - even a sub-average one - could potentially keep a player playing for hundreds, if not thousands of hours. 10 hours is a drop in the bucket. You are not entitled to have something "now" simply because you "don't feel like" spending the time necessary to earn it in-game.

And for those who try to spin it as being okay for this, that or the other reason... give it a rest. You know what you're doing is wrong, you know it's against the EULA (where applicable) and you know the penalties for being caught... Stop pretending that you're somehow entitled or are doing something perfectly legit because "insert cliche' overused reason here". Call it what it is: cheating.

 

Amen.

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by zaxxon23

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by Anubisan

I have bought gold on several occasions in the past...

The way I see it is this: I have a job and other real world responsibilities that take up the vast majority of my time. I have only a small amount of time each day to play my game of choice. I unfortunately cannot afford to play for 8 hours straight each day like many people do. Still, I want to be competitive... so when I have finally reached the end game and I see a piece of gear I can purchase and immediately enhance my character, I have occasionally done so with purchased gold.

I don't see anything wrong with this because advancement in MMORPGs comes down to little more than time spent in game. I have less time to spend in game, but I have more money because I work constantly. If I spent less time working and more time playing MMOs, I would make less money, but my character would be stronger. Buying a little gold occasionally just balances things out ;P

Time = money = advancement.

 

Sounds like you should stick to console games instead of MMO's, because that's what MMO's are about...time. MMORPG, emphasis on the RPG. Role-Playing Game...and we all know RPG's are NOT short games.

 

As I've said many times before, if you feel so strongly against rmt as an unbalancing factor, then you should feel the exact same about time played.  After all, someone who works a full time job is inherently disadvantaged against the player who has lots of time to play (for whatever reason).  Ultimately, the person you are berating has a valid point, buying gold can not only enhance the enjoyment of a mmo, it can also level the playing ground between those who have lots of time and those who do not.  You can hide behind your eula as much as you want, and claim the moral high ground due to rules, but you know in your heart that time advantage is just as imbalancing as buying gold.

 

First off, I wasn't berating him. Simply stating RPG's are long time spent games (Unless your playing WoW), and that console games are short time (Most) and that sounds more like his gig.

Secondly, what you say may be true for PvP based MMO's, but not PvE based ones. IMO though, PvP shouldn't even be in MMORPG's. It lends to more gold buying due to what you stated, and stagnates the communities with massive amounts of douchebaggery. Or at least shouldn't be mixed WITH PvE based MMO's. They should be built solely on the premise of PvP in mind.

The problem with your argument GoatGod76 is that I absolutely love MMORPGs. They are my favorite type of game by far and are how I spend most of my gaming time.

When I was younger and could afford to spend ridiculous amounts of time playing MMOs, I did. But that eventually became impossible to maintain due to real world obligations. Still, I want to have fun and be competitive when I do have time to play. I don't think it is fair that someone who gets to sit at home all day and do nothing but play games should always have a major advantage over those of us who work a lot. Buying gold occasionally allows me to better enjoy the games I play, while also not neglecting my real life responsibilities. I really don't see anything wrong with that...

Anyone that buys this crap should stop gaming period because they honestly forgot the reason they started playing games in the first place!

Originally posted by tarvik

Never bought gold myself.. have friends that bought it before

really never cared if someone bought gold  . doesnt affect  how i play the game. i myself enjoy making my own gold part of the fun to me , others might look at it as a grind but hey thats how they feel im not gonna argue about what they like or not

 

i dont worry how others play the game,  i just focus on what is fun to me .if someone needs to buy gold to have fun well whatever  do what you ill do what i do

If more people had such an open mind like you there would be a lot more happy people.

Seriously, directed at others, gold and item buying is going to happen regardless of what anyone feels. Why not find a group or guild of like minded individuals and play with them? If there's not enough people who feel the same way in that game then maybe it's time to change with the times or leave the MMO genre.

Complaining clearly solves nothing since websites such as Playerauctions.com have been around for 10 years.

Originally posted by Anubisan

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by zaxxon23

Originally posted by Goatgod76

Originally posted by Anubisan

I have bought gold on several occasions in the past...

The way I see it is this: I have a job and other real world responsibilities that take up the vast majority of my time. I have only a small amount of time each day to play my game of choice. I unfortunately cannot afford to play for 8 hours straight each day like many people do. Still, I want to be competitive... so when I have finally reached the end game and I see a piece of gear I can purchase and immediately enhance my character, I have occasionally done so with purchased gold.

I don't see anything wrong with this because advancement in MMORPGs comes down to little more than time spent in game. I have less time to spend in game, but I have more money because I work constantly. If I spent less time working and more time playing MMOs, I would make less money, but my character would be stronger. Buying a little gold occasionally just balances things out ;P

Time = money = advancement.

 

Sounds like you should stick to console games instead of MMO's, because that's what MMO's are about...time. MMORPG, emphasis on the RPG. Role-Playing Game...and we all know RPG's are NOT short games.

 

As I've said many times before, if you feel so strongly against rmt as an unbalancing factor, then you should feel the exact same about time played.  After all, someone who works a full time job is inherently disadvantaged against the player who has lots of time to play (for whatever reason).  Ultimately, the person you are berating has a valid point, buying gold can not only enhance the enjoyment of a mmo, it can also level the playing ground between those who have lots of time and those who do not.  You can hide behind your eula as much as you want, and claim the moral high ground due to rules, but you know in your heart that time advantage is just as imbalancing as buying gold.

 

First off, I wasn't berating him. Simply stating RPG's are long time spent games (Unless your playing WoW), and that console games are short time (Most) and that sounds more like his gig.

Secondly, what you say may be true for PvP based MMO's, but not PvE based ones. IMO though, PvP shouldn't even be in MMORPG's. It lends to more gold buying due to what you stated, and stagnates the communities with massive amounts of douchebaggery. Or at least shouldn't be mixed WITH PvE based MMO's. They should be built solely on the premise of PvP in mind.

 

The problem with your argument GoatGod76 is that I absolutely love MMORPGs. They are my favorite type of game by far and are how I spend most of my gaming time.

When I was younger and could afford to spend ridiculous amounts of time playing MMOs, I did. But that eventually became impossible to maintain due to real world obligations. Still, I want to have fun and be competitive when I do have time to play. I don't think it is fair that someone who gets to sit at home all day and do nothing but play games should always have a major advantage over those of us who work a lot. Buying gold occasionally allows me to better enjoy the games I play, while also not neglecting my real life responsibilities. I really don't see anything wrong with that...

There is where your wrong in assuming. I have a full time graphic design job, I play in a 30+ soccer league, I have a house to take care of. It's not like I have loads of time and just sit around all day playing games. I'd LOVE to, but I can't.

I play after work on days I don't have soccer games, maybe 2 or 3 hours depending on how tired I am. Weekends I play after soccer matches, pretty much the whole night on friday and saturday nights. I average maybe 20-30 hours a week (maybe). Everyone's case is different, but to me, it never justifies ruining a game's economy and balance because one feels "pressed" for time to be able to compete. Maybe in a PvP game, but not MMO's in general.

Originally posted by spinach8puff

Originally posted by tarvik

Never bought gold myself.. have friends that bought it before

really never cared if someone bought gold  . doesnt affect  how i play the game. i myself enjoy making my own gold part of the fun to me , others might look at it as a grind but hey thats how they feel im not gonna argue about what they like or not

 

i dont worry how others play the game,  i just focus on what is fun to me .if someone needs to buy gold to have fun well whatever  do what you ill do what i do

 

If more people had such an open mind like you there would be a lot more happy people.

 

Seriously, directed at others, gold and item buying is going to happen regardless of what anyone feels. Why not find a group or guild of like minded individuals and play with them? If there's not enough people who feel the same way in that game then maybe it's time to change with the times or leave the MMO genre.

Complaining clearly solves nothing since websites such as Playerauctions.com have been around for 10 years.

Funny, the one's ruining the MMO's telling us to leave them.

Buying Gold is cheating, period.

Whine all you want about "I don't have time to farm gold", the fact is you are too lazy to devote the time.  MMO's ARE NOT supposed to be quick.  Thanks to the kids that play WoW and the other carebear titles, MMO's have now become easy and the KIDS that complain about not having any gold do so because they don't want to earn it -they want it handed to them.  They want to buy the game and play alongside their friends who are already at the level cap and they want to get there now.

"Only have a couple hours a week to play?  Tough turds.  I guess it will be a loooooong time before you reach the level cap."  That's how it should be.

I'm tired of these games being dumbed down to accommodate the same impatient and spoiled kids who grew up playing little league without winning or losing, kids raised as fetish objects that must be coddled.  Either find the time or don't play an MMO.

Why should we have to suffer games that can be leveled to the cap in a couple of weeks, games that can be more or less finished in a matter of months?  I soloed a Hunter to the cap and had seen ALL of the content in LOTRO within a few months.  Why shouldn't I leave?

It used to be that I would devote myself to an MMO for a year or more because they were challenging, slow in leveling and character advancement.  A new expansion would come out before you'd finished the original content.  Now I finish the entire game in a few months and look for a new one.  Why?   Because they are too easy and too quick in leveling so there's no sense of accomplishment.  Nothing is difficult to get and if it is it is only because of rarity-of-drop and NOT because it's just an item that takes a long time to friggin' get. 

I don't even bother with any raid below the cap anymore.  Why bother raiding ANY pre-cap raid gear when I will have leveled past its usefulness in the week or two it takes to advance another ten levels because xp is ridiculously easy to come by?  What I wouldn't give for Hell-Levels to come back.  Then we'd see who wants to have fun and who merely wants too feel some childish, pathetic, silly sense of superiority for having a topped-out toon. ( Look, douchebag, anyone can top out a toon).  The WoW generation wouldn't survive it.  They'd just whine and cry about how it takes too long to reach the cap.  If EQ1 came out today with top-shelf graphics, Hell-levels and challenging gameplay only the mature would survive it.  The kids would fold like lawn-chairs, crying "this game is a grind, it takes too long to level, I'm tired of looking at my armor and gear," call it "gay" (or some other bigoted epithet) and, of course, blame Korea and then continue whine, whine, whine... Chasing an Epic Sword would reduce them to blithering fits.

Grinds/Challenging Games build character and gamer loyalty.  When you finally get a sword you've wanted for MONTHS  you feel like you've accomplished something because it took a lot of time and effort to get to the point where you have the opportunity to MAYBE get it or the necessary components to further pursue it.  It wasn't just a matter of seeing a sword you like, arranging a group, killing the mob and getting it - all within a few hours time.

Easy games are to be chewed up and spat out because they are just that -too easy and as long as these games continue to come out catering to the "Me/Now" sensibilities of kids, I'll be loyal to none of them.  I'll play them to the cap and leave...should only take about 4 months per game nowadays.  Guess the developers don't want my money.

Originally posted by kamenwati

I have to strongly disagree that twinking has a small effect on the economy. It inflates the cost of lower level items to the point where in some games they are much more expensive than their higher level equivalents. This, in fact, was the sole reason behind my one and only purchase of gold: it was an established game with so many alts that you couldn't reasonably gear yourself up if you were just starting out.

Also, you're bringing in botting and making the assumption that gold farmers are being exploited, when you know that neither of these are necessarily always the case.

However, let's make the assumption again that I've received gold from a buddy of mine. In return, lets say I give him a case of beer to show my gratitude. Now am I a cheater? I also find it interesting that you have no problem with setting up your own alts, even though this gives that alt an unfair advantage. I'm guessing you have nothing wrong with it ethically because it is a much more commonplace practice.

All ingame economies naturally progress towards inflationary trade as a result of characters leveling and hoarding wealth. When you have people capable of making the same amount of currency in an hour it would take a lowbie a couple of weeks to acquire, your economy has become esentially diferent from what it was at server launch. Twinking is not going to do anything but affect prices at certain level ranges for elite gear, which lowbies rarely need anyway. And btw, i dont twink, i usually can handle only one alt and i like rolling it on a diferent server so i can play another faction.

Gold farming on the other hand accelerates a servers development to the point of breakdown and may result in out of control inflation. As the games designed methods for coping with the extra cash (coin sinks) become overwhelmed (farmers put large amounts of currency in circulation but themselves consume very little of it) players find their gameplay negatively affected as the process both destroys balance (people need to put in 2 times the effort or more to achieve the same rewards) and reinforces itself by encouraging further gold sales. The so called "evil spyral"

There really is no question that in most p2p games buying gold violates EULA. What some people seem intent on is justifying themselves however, which is a whole diferent thing. That many people do it (domestic violence should be considered legal by this standard) that some peoples circumstances make it necesary (the poor would be justified in stealing) or that it is allowed in other games (hey, people in Saudi Arabia get to have four wives, why cant we?) are all arguments of faulty logic. Youre CHEATING.

Coming out clean and admiting that you do it even although you know its wrong would at least earn you some small amount of my respect ,because at least i would know you are being honest and not making a rationalization for your behaviour. If you think this should be allowed or that all games should have a cash shop it is cowardly for you not to make the argument openly instead of, once again, cheating. Anyway you look at it, you are still breaking a rule meant to provide some sense of fair play to the larger player base. You may think a rule stupid or that it should not apply to you but this doesnt make you any less dishonest. And for those of you who think this is about morals it is not. Youd be upset to find out you lost a bet on a rigged game and you wouldnt sit down to a poker game with criminals. Theres no point to playing a game if others will not honor the rules and while this wont make me quit an MMO (if reasonably kept under control) i will do anything in my power to report, grief, gank or in any other way inconvenience people i know to be cheats.

But thats just my opinion, everyones entitled to one.

Edit; I very much agree with the above poster.

Originally posted by XTC2

Buying Gold is cheating, period.

Whine all you want about "I don't have time to farm gold", the fact is you are too lazy to devote the time.  MMO's ARE NOT supposed to be quick.  Thanks to the kids that play WoW and the other carebear titles, MMO's have now become easy and the KIDS that complain about not having any gold do so because they don't want to earn it -they want it handed to them.  They want to buy the game and play alongside their friends who are already at the level cap and they want to get there now.

"Only have a couple hours a week to play?  Tough turds.  I guess it will be a loooooong time before you reach the level cap."  That's how it should be.

I'm tired of these games being dumbed down to accommodate the same impatient and spoiled kids who grew up playing little league without winning or losing, kids raised as fetish objects that must be coddled.  Either find the time or don't play an MMO.

Why should we have to suffer games that can be leveled to the cap in a couple of weeks, games that can be more or less finished in a matter of months?  I soloed a Hunter to the cap and had seen ALL of the content in LOTRO within a few months.  Why shouldn't I leave?

It used to be that I would devote myself to an MMO for a year or more because they were challenging, slow in leveling and character advancement.  A new expansion would come out before you'd finished the original content.  Now I finish the entire game in a few months and look for a new one.  Why?   Because they are too easy and too quick in leveling so there's no sense of accomplishment.  Nothing is difficult to get and if it is it is only because of rarity-of-drop and NOT because it's just an item that takes a long time to friggin' get. 

I don't even bother with any raid below the cap anymore.  Why bother raiding ANY pre-cap raid gear when I will have leveled past its usefulness in the week or two it takes to advance another ten levels because xp is ridiculously easy to come by.  What I wouldn't give for Hell-Levels to come back.  Then we'd see who wants to have fun and who merely wants too feel some childish, pathetic, silly sense of superiority for having a topped-out toon. ( Look, douchebag, anyone can top out a toon).  The WoW generation wouldn't survive it.  They'd just whine and cry about how it takes too long to reach the cap.  If EQ1 came out today with top-shelf graphics, Hell-levels and challenging gameplay only the mature would survive it.  The kids would fold like lawn-chairs, crying "this game is a grind, it takes too long to level, I'm tired of looking at my armor and gear," call it "gay" (or some other bigoted epithet) and, of course, blame Korea and then continue whine, whine, whine... Chasing an Epic Sword would reduce them to blithering fits.

Grinds/Challenging Games build character and gamer loyalty.  When you get a sword you want you feel like you've accomplished something because it took a lot of time and effort to get to the point where you have the opportunity to MAYBE get it.  It wasn't just a matter of seeing a sword you like, arranging a group, killing the mob and getting it within a few hours time.

Easy games are to be chewed up and spat out because they are just that -too easy and as long as these games continue to come out catering to the "Me/Now" sensibilities of kids, I'll be loyal to none of them.

Man of my own heart. 150% agree.

Originally posted by Goatgod76 

Funny, the one's ruining the MMO's telling us to leave them.

Way to point fingers and avoid the truth about reality. Instead of doing something productive like forming a guild/group of like minded individuals and black listing the cheaters you rather sit on forums and complain. Kicking and screaming is what little kids do to get what they want. Take control of what you can, like the adult you are, and you will be much happier.

Originally posted by zaxxon23

Originally posted by kamenwati

I'm not grasping at straws; I'm trying to identify where the line is drawn.

From what I understand:

- Paying money to a stranger for gold is cheating
- Receiving a gift of gold from a friend is not cheating

What I would like clarified:

- Receiving a gift of gold from a stranger
- Giving a non-monetary gift to a stranger in exchange for gold
- Paying money to a friend for gold
- Giving a non-monetary gift to a friend in exchange for gold

 

You really shouldn't try to get into a logical conversation with these guys.  Logic is not their forte.  They're just extremists.

Thats not logic.  Thats semantics=)

Originally posted by spinach8puff

Originally posted by Goatgod76 

Funny, the one's ruining the MMO's telling us to leave them.

 

Way to point fingers and avoid the truth about reality. Instead of doing something productive like forming a guild/group of like minded individuals and black listing the cheaters you rather sit on forums and complain. Kicking and screaming is what little kids do to get what they want. Take control of what you can, like the adult you are, and you will be much happier.

You obviously buy gold and are taking offense. I wouldn't have enough room to blacklist all cheaters, sadly, the majority of new age players buy gold, hack, glitch, etc. As above posters said, none of them care either, because they are getting what they want now now now and try justifying it in any lame way they can.

I'm actually in school for my BA in Game Art & Design...and believe me when I say I WILL do all I can to bring challenge and the passion of creating quality MMO's back to the drawing board to keep players like you at bay. Meaning deep story lines, chain quests with depth, longer leveling, etc.

Fast game play is for console games, NOT MMO's.

Never have and never will.

People who do should be shot for supporting the idiots who have the nerve to spam me in-game.

Originally posted by spinach8puff

Originally posted by Goatgod76 

Funny, the one's ruining the MMO's telling us to leave them.

 

Way to point fingers and avoid the truth about reality. Instead of doing something productive like forming a guild/group of like minded individuals and black listing the cheaters you rather sit on forums and complain. Kicking and screaming is what little kids do to get what they want. Take control of what you can, like the adult you are, and you will be much happier.

Don't go telling anyone what to do ingame just cuz an argument isnt going your way. Why dont you go into your MMO and proudly anounce to the comunity at large that you buy gold. Why? Dont want to get into anyones KoS list? Know youll very likely be ridiculed even in carebear games/servers? Really, you know chances are you wont be banned...

Originally posted by skarwolf

 The first time I encountered this was back in Everquest.  My friend played a bard and we had banded and brass armor and some crappy weapons.  One day he shows up totally decked out in awesome gear.  I asked how he got all that stuff and he told me he bought gold online and not to say anything because you could get banned.  He gave me 500 plat which was a huge amount for me at the time.

I bought gold in EQ2 & WOW.  I'd create a character who got the gold then transfer it in parts to other other characters.  I tried two different companies.  One sent me the gold directly in bulk to whatever character I specified.  Another had some ridiculous method where I had to contact them on the phone and speak to them directly telling them who I was and what character it was.

Heres a way to find out at least in WOW.  They had me place 1 single bandage on the auction set at 200 gold, since I was getting 1000 gold they had me put up 5 bandages.  The person then bought the bandages and I got my money and it appeared legit.  I was never suspended or banned and I bought gold about 3-4 times in WOW.

I view buying game currency as a service. Would you rather dry clean your own clothes or pay someone else to do it while you do other things? its pretty much the same thing with rmting Also before you blame rmt on the ingame item prices, remember that its the players that set the price, and us humans are naturally greedy.

Originally posted by Scyris

Originally posted by skarwolf

 The first time I encountered this was back in Everquest.  My friend played a bard and we had banded and brass armor and some crappy weapons.  One day he shows up totally decked out in awesome gear.  I asked how he got all that stuff and he told me he bought gold online and not to say anything because you could get banned.  He gave me 500 plat which was a huge amount for me at the time.

I bought gold in EQ2 & WOW.  I'd create a character who got the gold then transfer it in parts to other other characters.  I tried two different companies.  One sent me the gold directly in bulk to whatever character I specified.  Another had some ridiculous method where I had to contact them on the phone and speak to them directly telling them who I was and what character it was.

Heres a way to find out at least in WOW.  They had me place 1 single bandage on the auction set at 200 gold, since I was getting 1000 gold they had me put up 5 bandages.  The person then bought the bandages and I got my money and it appeared legit.  I was never suspended or banned and I bought gold about 3-4 times in WOW.

I view buying game currency as a service. Would you rather dry clean your own clothes or pay someone else to do it while you do other things? its pretty much the same thing with rmting Also before you blame rmt on the ingame item prices, remember that its the players that set the price, and us humans are naturally greedy...AND STUPID!!!

The question is are you greedy enough to ruin the game for everyone?  Buying gold ruins the game for everyone.  There's no disputing it.

Ive sold gold before to one of these places that buys it to sell on :) seemed fine to me wasnt playing the game anymore got me 25 pounds if i rember right