Personal shops are sometimes convenient, but they are mostly a pain in the backside in every game I've played that allowed them.

They tend to cluster in popular areas where pcs congregate (the cities and npc shops).

Doing nothing but sucking up bandwidth, cluttering the landscape, and generally annoying anyone actually trying to do something. Some games even allow them to run a macro of some kind that has them periodically spam their advert.

Don't believe me, check out most of the cities in Ragnarok, among others. Often, you can't even find, much less get to, the npcs you need through the crowd of pcs camped out in personal shops around them in a vain attempt to force you to buy their junk. Many games have this same problem, but it's been a while since I've played those games.

SInce Aion has a limited number of people online, the entire situation is made much worse by having people that just sit there. I have some ideas for allowing personal shops, but it's not a perfect solution, nothing is. No matter what's done (or not done), some people will always be annoyed.

I have to say that I still haven't played Aion, but I've been paying attention to tentative reviews so far and I was doing what I could to track information before launch.

I can't stand private shops in MMOs. They clutter cities and cause lag to the poor people who don't have great systems.  Kicking PS AFKers is good, since it seems to have made a big dent in queue times. But as other people have mentioned, you can get around that by putting something on top of your spacebar.

Since the game already has an auction house, why keep private shops? Sure, you can get an item in the middle of whatever zone you're in instead of going back to a city. Hooray? Is it really that difficult to get back to town?

If there's a an auction house, why do we need player shops? Pick one, NCsoft.

Sometimes you find better deals in personal shops then in auction house, I bought a frost sword (forgot exact name) for 5k and in AH cheapest was 10k.

Plus in AH you only have 10 slots or less were you can place items for sale.

Its good they made this change for now. I like the afk shops, and I like to afk while in my private shop, but I don't like

the idea of giving people que times. imo any que time is too long. I hope they decide to accommodate afk shops and

server load one day. Its nice to not log out when I feel like it during the 30 days I paid for.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Sometimes you find better deals in personal shops then in auction house, I bought a frost sword (forgot exact name) for 5k and in AH cheapest was 10k.

Plus in AH you only have 10 slots or less were you can place items for sale.

Oh so it is ok for you to clutter the cities, make everyone lag and take up a spot on the server so you can sell more than 10 items.  Pretty selfish attitude if you ask me.  If you price your things right they will sell in the auction house fast.

 That is the best update ever in the history of gaming.  They should never  get rid of it. Of course if they built an actual auction hall system this would have never happened in the first place.

WTF is the problem with a timer?  after 29 minutes you pick up and set back down.   Anyone having a problem with this are just same old selfish crybabies who dont care others have to wait in a que while their shop is set up while they do something else for hours.    What other mmo's have this feature?   Instead of being thankful they bitch.   If your really that concerned about the time your items are for sale? set a timer every 28 minutes and get your ass back to the keyboard and do something.   Otherwise,  hey, your not home or sleeping.   Sorry I just can not stand selfish crybabies whining about something they couldnt dream of reproducing.  Let alone make a better one.   Ya must like the game you were playing better.  Did they shut it down?  Their must be a reason you left.   Oh its a trial period I forgot.   You will go back to that game right after because their private shops are 24/7.   When is that trial period up anyway?     Oh,  before ques, I left my shop on all the time too.   Sold everything when I got back cause just doubled what vendor gave me.  It's convienent as hell but not fair to others.  Maybe a longer timer plus autokick when you sell your stuff would help keep squaters from putting items up for max 9's they can type.  

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Originally posted by Erolis
 That is the best update ever in the history of gaming.  They should never  get rid of it. Of course if they built an actual auction hall system this would have never happened in the first place.

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Since you don't know that there is an actual auction hall in the very first player city in the game (linked to every following city)...

Originally posted by Tisiphone

 

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Originally posted by Erolis
 That is the best update ever in the history of gaming.  They should never  get rid of it. Of course if they built an actual auction hall system this would have never happened in the first place.

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Since you don't know that there is an actual auction hall in the very first player city in the game (linked to every following city)...

Yes,  Very true the auction house is awsome.   Catorigize, sort, they thought it out.  The private stores are nice as well but people didnt expect it to be exploited to avoid ques.   Live and learn.   So people,  lower your prices in private stores if you want to sell before the 30 mins are up :)      Even Better.

 Well... as I recall, you can have a toon in FFXI in shop mode for some time when it was released in NA and I don't remember being in a queue... So NCsoft doesn't want to shell out the cash to invest in more servers?

They said "we will continue to evaluate adding additional servers"... as if it's a choice? I'm glad to see they care about their player base as much as they did Tabula Rasa's.

Setting the time limit to 30 minutes isn't going to solve the problem... It will just make it so a lot of people will come back every 25 minutes to move a little bit and set it back up. That means the issue is not fixed at all seeing as it can still be 'abused'... The real issue is the lack of servers.

Originally posted by Ozmodan

Originally posted by bloodaxes

Sometimes you find better deals in personal shops then in auction house, I bought a frost sword (forgot exact name) for 5k and in AH cheapest was 10k.

Plus in AH you only have 10 slots or less were you can place items for sale.

Oh so it is ok for you to clutter the cities, make everyone lag and take up a spot on the server so you can sell more than 10 items.  Pretty selfish attitude if you ask me.  If you price your things right they will sell in the auction house fast.

I don't lag with stalls maybe it's your pc? Ncsoft said that the queues weren't ALL coming from the stalls. Now people that go to work/school can't leave their client on with stall because it's 30min so what's your problem?

Sometimes you can find an inexperienced newbie that sells something rare for a very cheap price, with auction you have the possibility to check other people's price so that you know how much you need to sell it for.

Stalls is the best way to make business but the only outcome is the huge space people take on maps while vending.

Cant believe people are still bitching about wether or not private shops should be in, LOL, I understand most of the ppl have been spoonfed the AH system through WoW and just cant understand how it works, but private shops just give more control to the players.

I find this really funny.  In FFXI you could set up your bazaar and be away from the game for days, people logged in and out without a queue.  Seems to me they are trying to launch a new game on the cheap and overload their servers.  They didn't solve a problem they created another one.  Eventually they are going to need to get new servers and then those who want to set up shop and go to bed will start complaining that they can't.

Everything about player shops is lame.

Why even have them when there is an auction house. Isn't half the point of the AH to reduce congestion and chat spam in the first place?

Lag has improved greatly since the time change on the shops. 

A new Western server has been added and NCSoft will be adding 1 European server and 1 Eastern USA server as well.

I do wish you could make more alts to have access to different servers than what they allow. Each person is only allowed 8 toons no matter which server you go to.

AH is for both the seller and the buyer.  the difference between the broker (AH) and the shops is the fee that is charged to the seller for putting their items up for sale.  Even though the fee is a bit of a drag I prefer it to having the scenery ruined by miles of personnal vendors everywhere.

I think that the shops is a bad idea as well.  I liked the FFXI idea where you could move around and people could buy from you on the fly. There would be some people who AFK'ed but not as bad as this game. Even when they did afk they would sit infront of the AH.

Originally posted by Nihilist

Everything about player shops is lame.

I disagree, I think player shops are a great idea. They add another level of depth into your character and I think it makes the whole Avatar/Player relationship more personal. Helps you feel more like you character, I mean.

Originally posted by Lansid

 Well... as I recall, you can have a toon in FFXI in shop mode for some time when it was released in NA and I don't remember being in a queue... So NCsoft doesn't want to shell out the cash to invest in more servers?

They said "we will continue to evaluate adding additional servers"... as if it's a choice? I'm glad to see they care about their player base as much as they did Tabula Rasa's.

There were no shops in FFXI but you could set up a bazaar. The difference is that the bazaar hung over your head and you could move around with it. The shop have to stay in one place.  So the shops in Aion cause crazy lag in the cities on top of taking a postion in the server for someone not even playing.  Shops didn't cause the ques however.  Excessive amounts of people trying to log in at once did.  Shops only compounded this problem because many people were not logging out. 

Anyone that plays MMOs should know that everyone palyer can not be on at once. This was the essential problem with the ques.  I fault NCsoft for the Pre-select and the Sunday launch.  Two critical mistakes that lead to rediculous wait times. So the problem is not really the servers but how much they could hold without crashing. 

Finally, Ncsoft has keep the players in the loop via the website and forums. They explained the issues and have work arounds for those issue.  Looks like they care to me. Maybe you should take a second look before making silly remarks.

Originally posted by Lathander81

Originally posted by Lansid

 Well... as I recall, you can have a toon in FFXI in shop mode for some time when it was released in NA and I don't remember being in a queue... So NCsoft doesn't want to shell out the cash to invest in more servers?

They said "we will continue to evaluate adding additional servers"... as if it's a choice? I'm glad to see they care about their player base as much as they did Tabula Rasa's.

 

There were no shops in FFXI but you could set up a bazaar. The difference is that the bazaar hung over your head and you could move around with it. The shop have to stay in one place.  So the shops in Aion cause crazy lag in the cities on top of taking a postion in the server for someone not even playing.  Shops didn't cause the ques however.  Excessive amounts of people trying to log in at once did.  Shops only compounded this problem because many people were not logging out. 

Anyone that plays MMOs should know that everyone palyer can not be on at once. This was the essential problem with the ques.  I fault NCsoft for the Pre-select and the Sunday launch.  Two critical mistakes that lead to rediculous wait times. So the problem is not really the servers but how much they could hold without crashing. 

Finally, Ncsoft has keep the players in the loop via the website and forums. They explained the issues and have work arounds for those issue.  Looks like they care to me. Maybe you should take a second look before making silly remarks.

How is that a silly remark. Majority of bazaars that were set up in FFXI were there 24/7. THe added bonus to the bazaar was you could roam around too. Honestly a 30 minute shop time sounds dumb to me. That doesn't really give alot of time for people to really look at those items being sold. Really the problem is that NCsoft wasn't ready for the popularity of a Korean MMO, since if you look at any other one that was released.