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Following is some preliminary information on account transfers from the EU to N. American servers. This is a hot topic with the community so we tried to get information on this as soon as we could.
The process will start around the 3 month mark from the NA Launch, as originally planned. There will be no transfer fee if the transfer is completed within a month after the transfer option becomes available. You'll just need to purchase a subscription option on the NA server.
Active EU accounts will remain active; players could create a new character and continue playing. Transfers between NA and EU will be available by paying a small transfer fee one month after the free transfer period is over. There will be a minimum wait period between transfers, for example you may need to wait a month to transfer from one server to the other; you won't be able to do it every day.
Characters will be transferred without any items but with all their stats. The devs have looked into the stats between the two servers and they don’t feel this will be an issue. Undoubtedly an influx of mature characters will affect things on the NA server but the existing population is prepared for it.
This is all the info we have right now. We’ll keep you updated on this as we get more information.

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 Gee, if only they'd provided this information months ago.  it would have prevented much moaning, gnashing of teeth, debate, etc...  You know, good community relations....

~Ripper

Originally posted by rhinok

 Gee, if only they'd provided this information months ago.  it would have prevented much moaning, gnashing of teeth, debate, etc...  You know, good community relations....

I don't think they were really sure a few months ago.

It also seems they have hired a full time community manager now and opened a new section on the forums. It seems thet communication is going to improve a lot now its not a dev doing it in his spare time.

 I had been expecting some kind of fee for the transfer.

I am happy there is none

"There will be no transfer fee if the transfer is completed within a month after the transfer option becomes available. You'll just need to purchase a subscription option on the NA server."

Is this basically saying "it's free if you pay for it" or am I misunderstanding what they are trying to say?

Originally posted by mklinic

"There will be no transfer fee if the transfer is completed within a month after the transfer option becomes available. You'll just need to purchase a subscription option on the NA server."

Is this basically saying "it's free if you pay for it" or am I misunderstanding what they are trying to say?

You are totally correct, the transfer fee is $50 for a NA copy of the same software from the same publisher to move a naked unequipped toon. Just pulling another fast snake oil scam.

As Mr. T used to say "pity the fool"

So if I read this right.  Me, as a canceled EU-1 player, can resub and transfer for free and not have to buy a new NA-1 client if this is done within one month of the transfer option being available?

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by mklinic

"There will be no transfer fee if the transfer is completed within a month after the transfer option becomes available. You'll just need to purchase a subscription option on the NA server."

Is this basically saying "it's free if you pay for it" or am I misunderstanding what they are trying to say?

 

You are totally correct, the transfer fee is $50 for a NA copy of the same software from the same publisher to move a naked unequipped toon. Just pulling another fast snake oil scam.

As Mr. T used to say "pity the fool"

Oh the drama.

Let the debates begin.

EDIT: stop pulling conclusions out of your ass

You don't need to buy a US copy of the game. You just need to subscribe to the US game.

I believe what they mean is that if you have 2 weeks left on your EU account they don't count for the US server. So even if you have 2 weeks left on EU you still need to pay for a full month on US when you transfer.

The really interesting thing is that they are also saying that after the free transfers from EU to US are over a month after they start, it will be possible to pay to transfer back again if you wish.

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by mklinic

"There will be no transfer fee if the transfer is completed within a month after the transfer option becomes available. You'll just need to purchase a subscription option on the NA server."

Is this basically saying "it's free if you pay for it" or am I misunderstanding what they are trying to say?

 

You are totally correct, the transfer fee is $50 for a NA copy of the same software from the same publisher to move a naked unequipped toon. Just pulling another fast snake oil scam.

As Mr. T used to say "pity the fool"

Sorry Phrank, but I just don't think you're right:

1. They're opening a window during which you can transfer from EU to NA for free
2. You do not have to buy the NA client.  That was only necessary if you wanted to play on NA at launch.
3. You only have to pay for transfers after the initial window - it will essentially become a paid, optional service as it is for other games.
4. You will explicitly need to cancel your EU account if you truly want to transfer to NA and not play on both servers.  Transerring the character doesn't close the account.
5. If you want to play on both servers, you'll need to pay for an account in each region.

For me, #5 is really the only thing I have a problem with and that's due to the change from "1 char/server to 1 char/account". I don't think Aventurine has been open or honest in regards to the separate bustiness entities who own the rights to each region.  I absolutely understand why there are charges for each region, however. If the population was big enough to warrant multiple servers/region, I honestly think we'd see 1 char/server within a region, but that just isn't going to happen.

~Kurt

 I think the SCS didnt involve characters transfer : )

But its still a goof thing about the new staff.

I could not care less, im only in it to play the game.

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by mklinic

"There will be no transfer fee if the transfer is completed within a month after the transfer option becomes available. You'll just need to purchase a subscription option on the NA server."

Is this basically saying "it's free if you pay for it" or am I misunderstanding what they are trying to say?

 

You are totally correct, the transfer fee is $50 for a NA copy of the same software from the same publisher to move a naked unequipped toon. Just pulling another fast snake oil scam.

As Mr. T used to say "pity the fool"

For me, #5 is really the only thing I have a problem with and that's due to the change from "1 char/server to 1 char/account". I don't think Aventurine has been open or honest in regards to the separate bustiness entities who own the rights to each region.  I absolutely understand why there are charges for each region, however. If the population was big enough to warrant multiple servers/region, I honestly think we'd see 1 char/server within a region, but that just isn't going to happen.

~Kurt

Actually, I have to say you are wong. You aren't transfer licenses, you are just transferign characters. Once you transfer characters, you will have 2 accounts 1 NA and 1 EU. You can create a new character on the EU server if you wish without buying the client again, but you will have to pay for the EU sub in addition to the NA sub.

To prove what I say is correct below is a quote from the actual post

"Active EU accounts will remain active; players could create a new character and continue playing."

What this means is, you'll have accesss to both severs, but you'll have to pay to play both servers. Player can poitenally use the EU server to train up characters in realitve safty for alt accounts for their main accounts or visa versa.

Originally posted by xpiher

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by mklinic

"There will be no transfer fee if the transfer is completed within a month after the transfer option becomes available. You'll just need to purchase a subscription option on the NA server."

Is this basically saying "it's free if you pay for it" or am I misunderstanding what they are trying to say?

 

You are totally correct, the transfer fee is $50 for a NA copy of the same software from the same publisher to move a naked unequipped toon. Just pulling another fast snake oil scam.

As Mr. T used to say "pity the fool"

For me, #5 is really the only thing I have a problem with and that's due to the change from "1 char/server to 1 char/account". I don't think Aventurine has been open or honest in regards to the separate bustiness entities who own the rights to each region.  I absolutely understand why there are charges for each region, however. If the population was big enough to warrant multiple servers/region, I honestly think we'd see 1 char/server within a region, but that just isn't going to happen.

~Kurt

 

Actually, I have to say you are wong. You aren't transfer licenses, you are just transferign characters. Once you transfer characters, you will have 2 accounts 1 NA and 1 EU. You can create a new character on the EU server if you wish without buying the client again, but you will have to pay for the EU sub in addition to the NA sub.

To prove what I say is correct below is a quote from the actual post

"Active EU accounts will remain active; players could create a new character and continue playing."

 

What this means is, you'll have accesss to both severs, but you'll have to pay to play both servers. Player can poitenally use the EU server to train up characters in realitve safty for alt accounts for their main accounts or visa versa.

Ok that is confusing as hell. How do you train up alts when you can only have one toon per account? You can't transfer them to the same server or they will be on different accounts and you will be paying for 2 accounts. That just doesn't make sense. Oh wait, yes it does since in the DnF world everything is done differently then all the other games ever created.

Most MMORPG's (like 99.99999999%) of them allow more then one toon per account or server. AV is still totally missing the ball on this one.  

If it was one char/server then you wouldn't need another copy of the SAME EXACT SOFTWARE and have to pay the SAME EXACT PUBLISHER twice and they may just have more subs instead of hanging on by a thread.

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Originally posted by rhinok
 Gee, if only they'd provided this information months ago.  it would have prevented much moaning, gnashing of teeth, debate, etc...  You know, good community relations....
~Ripper

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Either way. This news is good for Darkfall.

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Originally posted by phrank

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Originally posted by xpiher

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Originally posted by rhinok

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Originally posted by phrank

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Originally posted by mklinic

 

"There will be no transfer fee if the transfer is completed within a month after the transfer option becomes available. You'll just need to purchase a subscription option on the NA server."
Is this basically saying "it's free if you pay for it" or am I misunderstanding what they are trying to say?

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You are totally correct, the transfer fee is $50 for a NA copy of the same software from the same publisher to move a naked unequipped toon. Just pulling another fast snake oil scam.
As Mr. T used to say "pity the fool"

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For me, #5 is really the only thing I have a problem with and that's due to the change from "1 char/server to 1 char/account". I don't think Aventurine has been open or honest in regards to the separate bustiness entities who own the rights to each region.  I absolutely understand why there are charges for each region, however. If the population was big enough to warrant multiple servers/region, I honestly think we'd see 1 char/server within a region, but that just isn't going to happen.
~Kurt

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Actually, I have to say you are wong. You aren't transfer licenses, you are just transferign characters. Once you transfer characters, you will have 2 accounts 1 NA and 1 EU. You can create a new character on the EU server if you wish without buying the client again, but you will have to pay for the EU sub in addition to the NA sub.
To prove what I say is correct below is a quote from the actual post
"Active EU accounts will remain active; players could create a new character and continue playing."
 
What this means is, you'll have accesss to both severs, but you'll have to pay to play both servers. Player can poitenally use the EU server to train up characters in realitve safty for alt accounts for their main accounts or visa versa.

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Ok that is confusing as hell. How do you train up alts when you can only have one toon per account? You can't transfer them to the same server or they will be on different accounts and you will be paying for 2 accounts. That just doesn't make sense. Oh wait, yes it does since in the DnF world everything is done differently then all the other games ever created.
Most MMORPG's (like 99.99999999%) of them allow more then one toon per account or server. AV is still totally missing the ball on this one.  
If it was one char/server then you wouldn't need another copy of the SAME EXACT SOFTWARE and have to pay the SAME EXACT PUBLISHER twice and they may just have more subs instead of hanging on by a thread.

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1) Its not the same publisher. Audio Visual Entertainment published the EU version of the game, which means they gave AV capital in order to help launch the game and are therefore entitled to some of the profits from the sale of the game, and possibly some of the sub money. AV created a new company in the US to publish the game for the NA region. They get all the money and subs from the sale and recurring subscriptions of NA accounts

2) You are also forgetting that the game does not have multiple servers per region. If I wanted to play on both WoW's EU and NA servers I would be required to not only sub to both regions ($30 total), but also buy 2 seperate copies of the game. The only games that don't do this are ones were the company producing the game also is publishing the game entierly. That is not the case with SV since the EU publishing rights belong to Audio Visual Entertainment. The only games that I know of who have allowed you to play on either multiregional servers or across regions are: UO - which was published and produced by EA, FFXI which was published and produced by Squar Soft (SquarEnix now), and EvE which only has 1 game world.

3) What happens when you transfer a character from 1 region to another region is that you transfer the character to a new account, because you are only allowed 1 character per account because currently there is only 1 server per region. When transfers go live you set up a new NA account to receive your toon. Since you already bought the game, you do not need to buy another copy ($50), but becuase the licenses and sub money go to different companies, you have to purchase a new subscription plan.

So yes, this actually makes a lot of sense and I'm actually relieved that AV managed to make enough money off of DFO in order to self publish in the US. If they hadn't, then we as customers would of either had to buy the game again or paid a transfer fee.

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Originally posted by throckmorton

 

 

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Originally posted by rhinok
Gee, if only they'd provided this information months ago. it would have prevented much moaning, gnashing of teeth, debate, etc... You know, good community relations....
~Ripper

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Exactly. I know a lot of people ragequit over the idea of paying for a transfer fee. AV would have kept more customers by just saying upfront there won't be a fee in the first month.

Either way. This news is good for Darkfall.

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I thought it was clear to everyone that they didn't know exactly what would happen months ago. Chances are, their deal with Audio Visual Entertainment prevented them from either releasing the information, or they were in the process of re-negotiating their contract with Audio Visual Entertainment.

Nevermind.........

Originally posted by rhinok

Originally posted by phrank

Originally posted by mklinic

"There will be no transfer fee if the transfer is completed within a month after the transfer option becomes available. You'll just need to purchase a subscription option on the NA server."

Is this basically saying "it's free if you pay for it" or am I misunderstanding what they are trying to say?

 

You are totally correct, the transfer fee is $50 for a NA copy of the same software from the same publisher to move a naked unequipped toon. Just pulling another fast snake oil scam.

As Mr. T used to say "pity the fool"

Sorry Phrank, but I just don't think you're right:

1. They're opening a window during which you can transfer from EU to NA for free
2. You do not have to buy the NA client.  That was only necessary if you wanted to play on NA at launch.
3. You only have to pay for transfers after the initial window - it will essentially become a paid, optional service as it is for other games.
4. You will explicitly need to cancel your EU account if you truly want to transfer to NA and not play on both servers.  Transerring the character doesn't close the account.
5. If you want to play on both servers, you'll need to pay for an account in each region.

For me, #5 is really the only thing I have a problem with and that's due to the change from "1 char/server to 1 char/account". I don't think Aventurine has been open or honest in regards to the separate bustiness entities who own the rights to each region.  I absolutely understand why there are charges for each region, however. If the population was big enough to warrant multiple servers/region, I honestly think we'd see 1 char/server within a region, but that just isn't going to happen.

~Kurt

Well, at least you get to have a full account on both servers.  You cant have a GOA and EA Warhammer/DAoC account with one sub.