Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Ethian

Not sure what your talking about about the new expansion thats coming looks pretty damn good...did you even bother to read about it before posting here? :-/

 

I don't play WoW anymore but I'm sure lots still play it because the content is there and its a blast to play with friends. Get over yourself bud, no one cares what you think of WoW. lol

These are the type of people that WoW loves to reel in... ANY MMO is fun with friends, its not unique to WoW only. 
 

 

The new expansion looks good? It looks exactly the same as the past 2 horrible expansions. Raising the level cap is just a cheap way to increase the grind cause theres nothing else to really do in the game. All that gear you wasted your time raiding for? Hey its worthless now, congrats. 

Your right, how could I of been so blind, you have shown me the errors of my ways, do you have a magazine I could subscribe to?

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by SignusM 

These posts always make me laugh...
 

 

WoW was never "hardcore". All of it's content was already easy, and aimed at the casual audience who didn't play MMORPGs. JUst becuase the new stuff is even easier doesn't make the old stuff hard. 

Who can argue with your fact filled posts?

After all, according to you "blizzard claims 8 million players in china"....  

 

/fart

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Perhaps when you start getting your "facts" straight you will get decent discussion.

Blathering on that Blizzard admitted 8 million subs in China is incorrect.  They have given numbers before and it was roughly a 45% Western / 55% Eastern market split.    Not China, not USA, but East/West.  Notice the word ASIA and not CHINA.  Asia is a big place with lots of countries.  Check for yourself

You said their subscriber numbers contain every box every sold, canceled accounts and what not.  Blizzard clearly spells out what they determine as a subscriber and it only includes people who have paid money in for an active subscription during a 30 day period.  Check for yourself

World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition

World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.

The manner in which you gloss over Cataclysm is just more of the same uninformed gibberish on your behalf.  There are new systems, zones, mechanics, graphics, geography and many other things going on.  Sorry you can't see them or you don't like them.  You are welcome to your opinion, but so far it has been far from anything that is convincing let alone based on facts as shown above. 

What exactly should I counter argue?  That you like to rant and are filled with misinformation.  There you go, are you satisfied now?

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by SignusM 

These posts always make me laugh...
 

 

WoW was never "hardcore". All of it's content was already easy, and aimed at the casual audience who didn't play MMORPGs. JUst becuase the new stuff is even easier doesn't make the old stuff hard. 

Who can argue with your fact filled posts?

After all, according to you "blizzard claims 8 million players in china"....  

 

/fart

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Perhaps when you start getting your "facts" straight you will get decent discussion.

Blathering on that Blizzard admitted 8 million subs in China is incorrect.  They have given numbers before and it was roughly a 45% Western / 55% Eastern market split.    Not China, not USA, but East/West.  Notice the word ASIA and not CHINA.  Asia is a big place with lots of countries.  Check for yourself

You said their subscriber numbers contain every box every sold, canceled accounts and what not.  Blizzard clearly spells out what they determine as a subscriber and it only includes people who have paid money in for an active subscription during a 30 day period.  Check for yourself

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World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition

World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.

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The manner in which you gloss over Cataclysm is just more of the same uninformed gibberish on your behalf.  There are new systems, zones, mechanics, graphics, geography and many other things going on.  Sorry you can't see them or you don't like them.  You are welcome to your opinion, but so far it has been far from anything that is convincing let alone based on facts as shown above. 

 

What exactly should I counter argue?  That you like to rant and are filled with misinformation.  There you go, are you satisfied now?

 

WoW hasn't ever had a single new mechanic original to it, so this should be good.
 

What new goodies are added in the new expansion?

WoW was hard. Started from AQ patch, through the entire BC and now with WOTLK hardmodes. Blizzard did some of the hardest encounters ever done in a MMO. But when you are in charge of maintaing WoW, why would you make most of its players rage because they can't take X boss to 90%, when you can get a shitload more money from it.

Originally posted by Thenarius

WoW was hard. Started from AQ patch, through the entire BC and now with WOTLK hardmodes. Blizzard did some of the hardest encounters ever done in a MMO. But when you are in charge of maintaing WoW, why would you make most of its players rage because they can't take X boss to 90%, when you can get a shitload more money from it.

WoW was hard compared to what it is now, I'll give you that. But compared to other games on the market, it was not hard. The raid encounters were nothing compared to games like EverQuest and Dark Age of Camelot. 
 

Originally posted by econ24

Originally posted by Gavelayde

Everything that could be done on Wow has been done by many. Extending the level cap to 85  is the very least...notice I said the least Blizzard could do to extend the life of Wow...how sad for a strong Gamemaker such as Blizzard and a strong game like Wow...

 

Ultima Online is still going after 12 years...

Everquest is still going after 10 years...

Asheron's Call is still going after 10 years...

Anarchy Online is still going after 8 years...

The most popular MMO ever created...is not close to dying after just 5 years.

Truer words have n'ere been spoken, in regards to the "imminent death" of WoW.  Just because some of you wish it dead...for whatever bizarre reason you have...does not make it so.

As another poster so eloquently stated....if WoW lost 75% of it's subscriber base, it would still be financially CRUSHING it's competitors.

I'm not sure why people who don't like, hate, or simply don't play WoW, hunger so much for it's demise. For fookssake....just go play whatever it is that makes your wittle heart go "pitter patter," and kindly STFU already about it on the forums.  These kinds of threads get sooooooooo old and boring.

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Thenarius

WoW was hard. Started from AQ patch, through the entire BC and now with WOTLK hardmodes. Blizzard did some of the hardest encounters ever done in a MMO. But when you are in charge of maintaing WoW, why would you make most of its players rage because they can't take X boss to 90%, when you can get a shitload more money from it.

WoW was hard compared to what it is now, I'll give you that. But compared to other games on the market, it was not hard. The raid encounters were nothing compared to games like EverQuest and Dark Age of Camelot. 
 

You mean the massive zerg tank and spank raids in EQ?  The ones with clerics taking turns casting complete heal every 3-5 seconds on the tank who could not possibly lose agro?  Those super hard encounters?

The typical EQ raid only needed 4 or 5 smart players and 50-75 more with a pulse. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Originally posted by SignusM

Originally posted by Thenarius

WoW was hard. Started from AQ patch, through the entire BC and now with WOTLK hardmodes. Blizzard did some of the hardest encounters ever done in a MMO. But when you are in charge of maintaing WoW, why would you make most of its players rage because they can't take X boss to 90%, when you can get a shitload more money from it.

WoW was hard compared to what it is now, I'll give you that. But compared to other games on the market, it was not hard. The raid encounters were nothing compared to games like EverQuest and Dark Age of Camelot. 
 

 

You mean the massive zerg tank and spank raids in EQ?  The ones with clerics taking turns casting complete heal every 3-5 seconds on the tank who could not possibly lose agro?  Those super hard encounters?

The typical EQ raid only needed 4 or 5 smart players and 50-75 more with a pulse. 

 

Perhaps in 1999...games evolve as technology does. I still haven't seen anything come close to touching Dark Age of Camelot raids, except perhaps Vanguard ALMOST does it.
 

Originally posted by SignusM 

WoW hasn't ever had a single new mechanic original to it, so this should be good.
 

 

What new goodies are added in the new expansion?

I never said wow was innovating the genre, but it certainly had a bigger affect on mmos than any prior game.

Why you might ask, well two innovations that most people just don't understand.

1) Don't release your product until it is ready.   A lesson to many companies just do not seem to understand yet.

2) Make the game fun first.  If something isn't fun, fix it or remove it.  It sounds simply, but again a concept lost to most companies who are in the business of making entertainment products.

3) Polish, something that wasn't a term associated with mmos prior to blizzard. 

We could argue what blizzard created from scratch or stole and it wouldn't matter.  All of the above are far greater contributions to mmos than anything else.   Furthermore Blizzard has obviously done a far superior job with the same tools other companies have.  In other words you don't have to reinvent the wheel just for the sake of creating something new. 

Originally posted by SignusM 

Perhaps in 1999...games evolve as technology does. I still haven't seen anything come close to touching Dark Age of Camelot raids, except perhaps Vanguard ALMOST does it.
 

So now its DAOC and Vangaurd... I see.

dunno even with fallen earth and Aion coming out my server is still on High pop every day like it has been forever.

not sure how others servers are doing.

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Originally posted by SignusM

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Originally posted by Daffid011

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Originally posted by SignusM

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Originally posted by Daffid011

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Originally posted by SignusM 
These posts always make me laugh...
 
 
WoW was never "hardcore". All of it's content was already easy, and aimed at the casual audience who didn't play MMORPGs. JUst becuase the new stuff is even easier doesn't make the old stuff hard. 

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Who can argue with your fact filled posts?
After all, according to you "blizzard claims 8 million players in china"....  
 
/fart

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Perhaps when you start getting your "facts" straight you will get decent discussion.
Blathering on that Blizzard admitted 8 million subs in China is incorrect.  They have given numbers before and it was roughly a 45% Western / 55% Eastern market split.    Not China, not USA, but East/West.  Notice the word ASIA and not CHINA.  Asia is a big place with lots of countries.  Check for yourself
You said their subscriber numbers contain every box every sold, canceled accounts and what not.  Blizzard clearly spells out what they determine as a subscriber and it only includes people who have paid money in for an active subscription during a 30 day period.  Check for yourself

 

World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees' territories are defined along the same rules.

 
 
The manner in which you gloss over Cataclysm is just more of the same uninformed gibberish on your behalf.  There are new systems, zones, mechanics, graphics, geography and many other things going on.  Sorry you can't see them or you don't like them.  You are welcome to your opinion, but so far it has been far from anything that is convincing let alone based on facts as shown above. 
 
What exactly should I counter argue?  That you like to rant and are filled with misinformation.  There you go, are you satisfied now?
 

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WoW hasn't ever had a single new mechanic original to it, so this should be good.
 
 
What new goodies are added in the new expansion?

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Phasing is an original mechanic from WotLK.

You are fail. You are good at it. That's something.

Originally posted by FadeToBlack3

Originally posted by Saerain

I consider myself the furthest thing from a WoW fanboy possible without being a raging hate-spammer. I can't stand the game, and I am generally very incompatible with people who think highly of it....

That said, even if WoW were now on its last legs (which I don't see happening for another couple years, at least), it would have had a very respectable run as the top dog of subscription counts and the MMO that everyone knows.

Further, once it does flounder and decline into more obscurity as EverQuest did, it'll keep breathing for years afterward. As EverQuest has.

 

Very true, im not a huge fan of the game myself but you have to appreciate whats its done for the MMO industry.

What it's done to the MMO industry?/? WHat!!? You have got to be kidding. WOW has pretty much ruined my views of how an mmo should be(of course im oldschool and grouping, interaction, and challenging gameplay are my main concerns) I hate casual handholding crap and since wow most new games are only concerned now of making money and the days of thinking. sandbox play , actual meaningful challenges, and earning that awesome new weapon, armor or magical item is prob gone forever. Most new MMO plaYERS these days have no idea of what i'm talking about. MMO's just have lost that "feel" Now it's all about being spoonfed and handed new armor,weapons, gear every five minutes cause it's all about the graphics/eyecandy and to hell with interaction and gameplay elements....... I just don't have the words to explain what I mean.......*sigh* WoW has ruined the mmo industry now and I don't have much hope for the future as well.......
 

wow has done a lot for mmos but has also ruined others, wow wont be leaving anytime soon so, we might as well deal with it and play our own games. I honestly enjoyed wow i might go back with xpac comes out but i dont know time will tell.

Originally posted by Wrender

Originally posted by FadeToBlack3

Originally posted by Saerain

I consider myself the furthest thing from a WoW fanboy possible without being a raging hate-spammer. I can't stand the game, and I am generally very incompatible with people who think highly of it....

That said, even if WoW were now on its last legs (which I don't see happening for another couple years, at least), it would have had a very respectable run as the top dog of subscription counts and the MMO that everyone knows.

Further, once it does flounder and decline into more obscurity as EverQuest did, it'll keep breathing for years afterward. As EverQuest has.

 

Very true, im not a huge fan of the game myself but you have to appreciate whats its done for the MMO industry.

What it's done to the MMO industry?/? WHat!!? You have got to be kidding. WOW has pretty much ruined my views of how an mmo should be(of course im oldschool and grouping, interaction, and challenging gameplay are my main concerns) I hate casual handholding crap and since wow most new games are only concerned now of making money and the days of thinking. sandbox play , actual meaningful challenges, and earning that awesome new weapon, armor or magical item is prob gone forever. Most new MMO plaYERS these days have no idea of what i'm talking about. MMO's just have lost that "feel" Now it's all about being spoonfed and handed new armor,weapons, gear every five minutes cause it's all about the graphics/eyecandy and to hell with interaction and gameplay elements....... I just don't have the words to explain what I mean.......*sigh* WoW has ruined the mmo industry now and I don't have much hope for the future as well.......
 

What exactly was "hard" about getting items in older mmos? 

From my experience it was simply due to artificial barriers that were not hard, but just cumbersone artificial time barriers. 

Limiting content available to the server as a whole only made supply low.  It didn't make the actual encounter hard, it just meant a very few people could get a chance to engage that content each week.  What made it "hard" was actually getting a chance to play the game before someone else removed the content for a period of 3-7 days.

Then there were terrible time sinks.  Sitting in a dungeon waiting for a rare named mob to spawn or hiddiously long key/zone access quests, again waiting for mobs to spawn. 

The actual gameplay to obtain items wasn't hard at all in older games.  In many ways it was far easier, but it was gated by artificial barriers that favored people with huge amounts of time to play.

Wow did not ruin the mmo genre, bad developers have.  It isn't like the companies that are trying to mimic wow are doing fantastic.  Even they are crashing and burning, so it doens't really matter what they are trying to make when they are even failing at that.  It is an epidemic with developers this decade for rushing out buggy unfinished untested games that just don't satisfy what gamers want to play and it is not just limited to casual or hardcore.  It is sad really, but it is not the fault of one company. 

Revamping old Azeroth in Cataclysm is already something that will lead to huge sales for Blizzard and also a lot of fun for players. Over time, like anything in WoW, things will become repetitive, but Blizzard has managed to make even that enjoyable for millions of players.

I have stopped WoW for now due to AION but I will be definitely checking out Cataclysm to see a revamped world, doing SFK and DM on Heroic and level a goblin :)

WoW ain't dead but of course it gets harder and harder to surprise people.

For me Blizzard will have to do a lot more than revamp the old game world they will need to address the issue that made me give up WoW and that is a number of changes they made aimed at the younger and more casual gamer . When the challenge comes back to Warcraft so will I .

But it wont Blizzard have shown the way they are intending of taking the game and if they reverse it now your going to get loads of kiddies leaving . I actually saw one in DDO recently complaing that Blizzard had made leveling 60-80 harder so they could make more money .

sigh

McDonalds is on it's last legs as well.....

Oh yeah so is Verizon...

Get real kid.

Even though i am through playing W.O.W i dont think its on its last legs. When i left people were still in love with it and thought it was the greatest thing still. Blizzard still has new things on the horizon for W.O.W. W.OW is still cool to people who love instances and that can keep up with everyone without actually facing a challenge from the rest of the people playing W.O.W. Thats what has made the gmae so fun for kids,  It does not take the most strategy and thought in the world to compete for gear. I just felt it was too easy. I loved W.O.W at first and i will continue to say it but the thrill is gone now. I will also say that it will go on with many suscibers for years to come.

This thread made me laugh. :-)

WoW haters must admit one thing: whether they like it or not, WoW has already had 5 years of amazing, stunning success and constant population growth. And there's no reason why this trend should change in any foreseeable future.

Especially since most other MMO are just garbage.