Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

 

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

  except fallout 3 is much easier and hey they have a manual and a real  turtorial
 

I seem to be getting into just as much shit in FE as I did in FO3, yeah the customizations and character skill system is easier to understand in FO3 but also limited compared to FE. That is a Single player game designed for consoles.

I thought FE had a manual? I downloaded my copy I'll need to ask my buddies at gamestop if it does or not with the boxed version. Manuals aren't too good for MMOs anyway since the games always change anyway.

Originally posted by KcissemD

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

I Have have issues with sandbox games that develop beginner tutorials that play more like themeparks. Ryzom does this also.

It misleads a new player into thinking the game will offer a handholding experience throughout.

As an example in Ryzom you have like 50 missions you run, the island that you run the tutorial on has no challenging mobs and doesn't really require a team effort to complete.

Then you get tossed on the Mainland and mobs kick your ass, missions don't help you skill up and you have no idea what to do.

It's similar in FE.

I wish these games would try to give people a sandbox experience at the start, let them walk around and as they pass over a section in the game a little 3-4 step tutorial pops up, as you click icons on the UI messages pop up explaining what they do.

Make people learn through exploration not by being lead around a section of the game that wrongfully misleads the player.

Don't get me wrong I love both Ryzom and FE but the completely wrong direction the tutorials take the player was a bad move and it will make a few new players frustrated to the point of leaving.

 

 

       Agreed!

 

it's only been that for ryzom since the new player island was redone, the way it was before was a pain in the butt, get killed left and right but considering there wasn't many new players anymore to form a group to finish it they had to redo it to the way it is now.

That's something I didn't know. I only started playing Ryzom in August '08 im not a four year old vet like you guys :)

I still would rather the open ended tutorial rather than the more themeparkish one they have now.

Originally posted by KcissemD

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

 

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

  except fallout 3 is much easier and hey they have a manual and a real  turtorial
 

 

name one MMO online game that has an up to date manual?  you never will, in mmos features come and go so drastically there is no point in writing a manual as it will be obselete by release.

   When wow and eq2 , lotro, v anguard and olthers came out they had very good manuals, yes wee know that the game may change but at least start out on the right foot especially if you are going to charge 50 and 15 a month

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

I loved the tutorial but when I came out into main area is seemed so congested and bland? its like they put all their effort into tutorial and forgot the main part of game, guns are bad

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

How do you craft online and how do you queu up all your craft items at once, are you saying i can push a buttona nd all my items will craft at once?

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I think it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game, yet, can create such a definitive thread touting your opinions, this is a true skill. Apparently, your brief excursions fresh out of the spawn tube allows you to critique the rest of the entire game as "Not polished". I look forward to your detailed review supporting this.

For the record, the developers have already stated they are going to extend the tutorial some time soon to cover more things, and be less abrupt when you get to "the real world".

But please do, as you have evedentialy played the entire game, or you would not logicaly be able to make this statement:

"Tutorial very polished, main game not so much"

So, please expound on how you came to this conclusion, and how the game is unpolished at level 45.

We all eagerly await your views.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by KcissemD

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

 

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

  except fallout 3 is much easier and hey they have a manual and a real  turtorial
 

 

name one MMO online game that has an up to date manual?  you never will, in mmos features come and go so drastically there is no point in writing a manual as it will be obselete by release.

 

   When wow and eq2 , lotro, v anguard and olthers came out they had very good manuals, yes wee know that the game may change but at least start out on the right foot especially if you are going to charge 50 and 15 a month

wow and eq2 manuals may have been very well written but was not accruate to what the game entailed upon release that is my point.  LOTRO i never really payed attention to as i got tired of that game pretty quick, but my point is it is a waste to write a manual just have it outdated before the game is released the way FE does it works much better having ingame /support commands for their knowledge base, a volunteer hazmat team etc, etc.

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

I loved the tutorial but when I came out into main area is seemed so congested and bland? its like they put all their effort into tutorial and forgot the main part of game, guns are bad

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

How do you craft online and how do you queu up all your craft items at once, are you saying i can push a buttona nd all my items will craft at once?

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I think it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game, yet, can create such a definitive thread touting your opinions, this is a true skill. Apparently, your brief excursions fresh out of the spawn tube allows you to critique the rest of the entire game as "Not polished". I look forward to your detailed review supporting this.

 

For the record, the developers have already stated they are going to extend the tutorial some time soon to cover more things, and be less abrupt when you get to "the real world".

   I love it when you ask a question and someone insults you because they cant answer it.   I have played the tutorial and 7 hours of the main game and I think that qualifies me to state a difference between them, if there is a difference 25 hours into the game i would like to hear it?  But only the ignorant and the fanboys say things like "it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game"  yes this is America I can give my opinion, the fact is the tutorial is much more polished then the main game and FE is being misleading by using that turorial-next

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

I loved the tutorial but when I came out into main area is seemed so congested and bland? its like they put all their effort into tutorial and forgot the main part of game, guns are bad

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

How do you craft online and how do you queu up all your craft items at once, are you saying i can push a buttona nd all my items will craft at once?

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I think it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game, yet, can create such a definitive thread touting your opinions, this is a true skill. Apparently, your brief excursions fresh out of the spawn tube allows you to critique the rest of the entire game as "Not polished". I look forward to your detailed review supporting this.

 

For the record, the developers have already stated they are going to extend the tutorial some time soon to cover more things, and be less abrupt when you get to "the real world".

 

   I love it when you ask a question and someone insults you because they cant answer it.   I have played the tutorial and 7 hours of the main game and I think that qualifies me to state a difference between them, if there is a difference 25 hours into the game i would like to hear it?  But only the ignorant and the fanboys say things like "it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game"  yes this is America I can give my opinion, the fact is the tutorial is much more polished then the main game and FE is being misleading by using that turorial-next

Your thread title, is not a question, it is called a statement. A statement in that you said the entire "Main" game is not polished.

Please tell us about your journeys and all the many facets of the game. After all, you have played and seen it all yes?

Originally posted by KcissemD

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by KcissemD

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by metalhead980

Originally posted by ninjajucer

Lol. Unless your a crafting nut, skip this game. Oh and to build a car should take you through casual playing about 2-3 months real time. Hardcore could prolly do it in a few weeks.

The tutorial is very cool and shows a lot of promise as to what to expect, unfortunately the actual gameplay is so far from that, as it will take a long time to actually get to those stat and equipment choices in the real game.

Based on all that, and the fact that I tested the game, I wouldn't waste my money here, its nothing special.

 

I happen to enjoy the exploration and combat very much.

Kinda feels like Fallout 3 combat wise. Just roaming around is really fun, yet again I'm one of those dudes that just enjoys hunting packs of mobs for hours so... lol

  except fallout 3 is much easier and hey they have a manual and a real  turtorial
 

 

name one MMO online game that has an up to date manual?  you never will, in mmos features come and go so drastically there is no point in writing a manual as it will be obselete by release.

 

   When wow and eq2 , lotro, v anguard and olthers came out they had very good manuals, yes wee know that the game may change but at least start out on the right foot especially if you are going to charge 50 and 15 a month

 

wow and eq2 manuals may have been very well written but was not accruate to what the game entailed upon release that is my point.  LOTRO i never really payed attention to as i got tired of that game pretty quick, but my point is it is a waste to write a manual just have it outdated before the game is released the way FE does it works much better having ingame /support commands for their knowledge base, a volunteer hazmat team etc, etc.

   When they came out they were 90% accurate, and they explained things like craafting, FE is a much more complicated game and as such needs a maual weather it is online of paper

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Originally posted by eddieg50  
   When they came out they were 90% accurate, and they explained things like craafting, FE is a much more complicated game and as such needs a maual weather it is online of paper

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

For the record, the developers have already stated they are going to extend the tutorial some time soon to cover more things, and be less abrupt when you get to "the real world".

 

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Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

I loved the tutorial but when I came out into main area is seemed so congested and bland? its like they put all their effort into tutorial and forgot the main part of game, guns are bad

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

How do you craft online and how do you queu up all your craft items at once, are you saying i can push a buttona nd all my items will craft at once?

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I think it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game, yet, can create such a definitive thread touting your opinions, this is a true skill. Apparently, your brief excursions fresh out of the spawn tube allows you to critique the rest of the entire game as "Not polished". I look forward to your detailed review supporting this.

 

For the record, the developers have already stated they are going to extend the tutorial some time soon to cover more things, and be less abrupt when you get to "the real world".

 

   I love it when you ask a question and someone insults you because they cant answer it.   I have played the tutorial and 7 hours of the main game and I think that qualifies me to state a difference between them, if there is a difference 25 hours into the game i would like to hear it?  But only the ignorant and the fanboys say things like "it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game"  yes this is America I can give my opinion, the fact is the tutorial is much more polished then the main game and FE is being misleading by using that turorial-next

 

Your thread title, is not a question, it is called a statement. A statement in that you said the entire "Main" game is not polished.

Please tell us about your journeys and all the many facets of the game. After all, you have played and seen it all yes?

 

   My thread title is a question and a statement , can you see the question mark , do you know what a question mark is? I write that when i camne out into the main game everything looked congested and bland,  where did you see that i said that after 45 hours everything is bland?  get you eyes checked dude, if you are just about insults what are you?
 

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

 

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

I loved the tutorial but when I came out into main area is seemed so congested and bland? its like they put all their effort into tutorial and forgot the main part of game, guns are bad

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Originally posted by eddieg50

 

How do you craft online and how do you queu up all your craft items at once, are you saying i can push a buttona nd all my items will craft at once?

---

I think it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game, yet, can create such a definitive thread touting your opinions, this is a true skill. Apparently, your brief excursions fresh out of the spawn tube allows you to critique the rest of the entire game as "Not polished". I look forward to your detailed review supporting this.

 

For the record, the developers have already stated they are going to extend the tutorial some time soon to cover more things, and be less abrupt when you get to "the real world".

 

   I love it when you ask a question and someone insults you because they cant answer it.   I have played the tutorial and 7 hours of the main game and I think that qualifies me to state a difference between them, if there is a difference 25 hours into the game i would like to hear it?  But only the ignorant and the fanboys say things like "it is awesome that you apparently know nothing of the game"  yes this is America I can give my opinion, the fact is the tutorial is much more polished then the main game and FE is being misleading by using that turorial-next

 

Your thread title, is not a question, it is called a statement. A statement in that you said the entire "Main" game is not polished.

Please tell us about your journeys and all the many facets of the game. After all, you have played and seen it all yes?

 

   My thread title is a question and a statement , can you see the question mark , do you know what a question mark is? I write that when i camne out into the main game everything looked congested and bland,  where did you see that i said that after 45 hours everything is bland?  get you eyes checked dude, if you are just about insults what are you?
 

No, I am quite responsive, and very helpful. I also do not see where I said anything about 45 "hours".

Sentences can not be statements, and questions by the way.

The very first NPC you talk to after the tutorial, tells you about crafting.

Originally posted by eddieg50

 

   When they came out they were 90% accurate, and they explained things like craafting, FE is a much more complicated game and as such needs a maual weather it is online of paper

FE is not  all that complicated once you get past the first few hours, i admit i was lost too but the fun of it to me was having to figure things out for a change and not going in already knowing exactly what i needed to do.  Whether or not a manual is needed the community ingame is very willing to answer any questions some may have, as i said there is a community hazmat team there to help new players as well as GM's.  You also have the knowledge base by /support you can even browse the forums ingame as i found out last night.

Yeah finally a mmo that doesnt take you by the hand every steps of the way, i'm all for that.

Originally posted by Aguitha

Yeah finally a mmo that doesnt take you by the hand every steps of the way, i'm all for that.

  And that is fine, I guess my main arguement is the tutorial is very different from the main game and to me was a dissapointment because so

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by Aguitha

Yeah finally a mmo that doesnt take you by the hand every steps of the way, i'm all for that.

 

  And that is fine, I guess my main arguement is the tutorial is very different from the main game and to me was a dissapointment because so

Did you watch the machinima I linked you?

www.youtube.com/watch

It's not that different, you just haven't got there yet.

Heh easy guys

Maybe the game just isn't for the OP. Some folks can't get past the graphics others dont like being plop'd down into the world with no direction.  (Shrug)

I will say to the OP though if the game isn't for you, maybe just move on. There is somthing to what everyone was saying about spending a couple hours on a game this complex and deep and then posting a negative opinion of it. You really didnt scratch the surface.

This is exactly what gives me some kind of hope for the game in the future... The idea is there.  The background work has been done.  It's just not polished yet, not ready for release.  I just hope they can pull it all together before going under, because I'd really like to give it a chance some day.

Originally posted by eddieg50

Originally posted by Aguitha

Yeah finally a mmo that doesnt take you by the hand every steps of the way, i'm all for that.

 

  And that is fine, I guess my main arguement is the tutorial is very different from the main game and to me was a dissapointment because so

The only ways its different is you arent being lead from room to room and mission to mission. The game is a lil rough around the edges so come drop back in around the 6 month mark and see if its for you at that point. FE just needs a lil time to grow into itself is all. Us early adopter types are used to this though so to us it might not seem like an issue either so dont take any of the feedback as being rude. I think the MMO community as a whole has just come to accept certain truths.

I didn't feel the same as many in the thread, I absolutely loved the tutorial but I had no mis conception that the game would all be that way. I have only been past tutorial for about 3-4 hours but I knew what the game was before buying it. The tutorial didn't give me the wrong impression it just helped me learn the controls, ui and basics etc.

Anyhow can't wait to play tomorrow.

ive been looking into this game and read this post. from most of the complaints here, it seems people are pissed this game isnt hand holding them through every single aspect of the game. heaven forbid you actually had to use your brain and figure something out on your own. i know it can be hard for some people, and those people should just quit the game it seems.