Originally posted by neonwire

Originally posted by Rhoklaw

Some MMO's are designed to be difficult because we already have a kids game called WoW on the market crammed pack full of 12 year olds. Simple games are getting old and people want a challenge, like Eve Online or Dark Age of Camelot 2, lol.

 

From the looks of things I severely doubt Aion is gonna be particularly challenging for all of those "12 year olds" who you say are currently playing WoW. It looks like an ordinary mmo to me and about as simple to understand as all the rest. Have you done a survey of all of those WoW players by the way? How many 12 year olds are currently playing it then? I'm curious to know.

EVE Online a complex game? Yes. DAoC (or its sequel which we will likely never see) a complex game? Ermmm no. A great game sure but hardly complex or challenging to understand. The only challenging aspect of these standard mmos seems to be from the PvP but then that could apply to any game. Aion looks like another simple one to me. Fun maybe and possibly one I might try out but certainly not a complex mmo by any stretch of the imagination.

Zork was too easy. UO\'s PVP had 99% scrubs that you would just farm.

You are never going to be satasfied with the complexity of MMOs, if you are, it wil be in the form of a contradiction to what you just said.

Originally posted by Forumfall

Well in abyss you can fly. But otherwise it's a ripoff.

You have strategic open world RVR in the abyss while being able to fly anywhere there, and this was at aion's release. And it manages to be a ripoff? Burning crusades must have been a SCAAAAMMM

Originally posted by nuififun

Theres a lot of Aion Fanboyism on here -  The fact is that flying is Aions only unique feature, if it didnt have flying then it would be even more of a bland carbon copy mmo than it already is.

I found it incredible that after 'ascension' you were transported to a city that doesnt allow flying.. and dont give me this gliding BS...

you spend a couple of hours in a fish-bowl zone with a massive invisible wall in it.... to complete some kill X quests, Theres one quest that actually makes use of the wings but its VERY uninspired, you then walk up to another area and guess what its a no fly zone.. pathetic.

 

Isn't it a shame the fanbois are providing solid reasons to why 99% of the people in this thread are judging a game before they even hit the primary part of the world. You should listen to fanbois more often, they actuall know how to spot someone judging a game by the newb zones.

If you don't like the gliding that's a personal problem and remains 100% subjective. But the fact is, the fanbois are providing more solid evidence to why this is purely a QQ im lvl 13 and I don't even realise the game changes later on. Type thread. All this is, is a bunch of people who couldnt get into the game moaning about no flight zones.

If you think gliding is BS, I think you made a $$$$$$ finanial mistake. That's too bad. But then again, the more threads like this, the closer I am to winning a year old bet I made on how many whiny children the game would get.

Originally posted by Sovrath

I agree with both your points. The cities should allow flying and something needs to be done about water areas. Then again, I haven't seen many water areas other than starter elyos area and vertiron. If those are the only areas then swimming really isn't necessary.

You can glide in cities and there are many areas that are optimized for flying in both capital cities.  In Pandemonium, I love gliding down from the main stairway all the way down into the Temple.  It's tough to get it just right so you don't land until you are actually in the Temple, but it can be done.

I'm assuming you can't fly in a city for the same reason you can't fly in Dalaran, it would just create extreme clutter.  The main city does not have channels unlike the leveling areas so everyone that plays the game can be in one channel at the same time in the same place.  I'm impressed that I get no lag at all in Pandemonium when it's chock full of people.   (unlike another popular MMO that simply cannot support the number of people in it's capital city and is a lag fest after YEARS of being out)

I certainly wouldn't want to give up my lag free capital city just so I can free fly.  Besides, learning how to glide is a very fun mini game in itself.

If swimming is that big of a deal for you, then I guess this is the wrong game for you.   Underwater quests were always a pain as far as I was concerned.  There are a few winged creatures that can swim underwater, but not many.  I guess Elyos and Asmodians fall under the category of things with wings that can't swim. I would rather be an Eagle than a Penguin any day!

Originally posted by denshing

If you think gliding is BS, I think you made a $$$$$$ finanial mistake. That's too bad. But then again, the more threads like this, the closer I am to winning a year old bet I made on how many whiny children the game would get.

OMG, I sure hope you bet really, really high! lol.  Good luck on your wager. :)

Originally posted by scodavis

Originally posted by Sovrath

I agree with both your points. The cities should allow flying and something needs to be done about water areas. Then again, I haven't seen many water areas other than starter elyos area and vertiron. If those are the only areas then swimming really isn't necessary.

 

You can glide in cities and there are many areas that are optimized for flying in both capital cities.  In Pandemonium, I love gliding down from the main stairway all the way down into the Temple.  It's tough to get it just right so you don't land until you are actually in the Temple, but it can be done.

 

I'm assuming you can't fly in a city for the same reason you can't fly in Dalaran, it would just create extreme clutter.  The main city does not have channels unlike the leveling areas so everyone that plays the game can be in one channel at the same time in the same place.  I'm impressed that I get no lag at all in Pandemonium when it's chock full of people.   (unlike another popular MMO that simply cannot support the number of people in it's capital city and is a lag fest after YEARS of being out)

 

I certainly wouldn't want to give up my lag free capital city just so I can free fly.  Besides, learning how to glide is a very fun mini game in itself.

 

If swimming is that big of a deal for you, then I guess this is the wrong game for you.   Underwater quests were always a pain as far as I was concerned.  There are a few winged creatures that can swim underwater, but not many.  I guess Elyos and Asmodians fall under the category of things with wings that can't swim. I would rather be an Eagle than a Penguin any day!

 

 

 

 

 

Lol...well this is a nice way to put a bow on a major design flaw but I do get what you're trying to do.  But facts are facts and the fact is that you can walk into water easy enough and even walk on the bottom with no issue of drowning, the only time this isn't true is in deep water.  But all that aside it's a simple fact that they did not put in any animation for swimming, treading water, or hell even drowning...at least do SOMETHING, don't just make it pretty but when you're character interacts with it it's the same as walking on land.

Originally posted by scodavis

Originally posted by Sovrath

I agree with both your points. The cities should allow flying and something needs to be done about water areas. Then again, I haven't seen many water areas other than starter elyos area and vertiron. If those are the only areas then swimming really isn't necessary.

 

You can glide in cities and there are many areas that are optimized for flying in both capital cities.  In Pandemonium, I love gliding down from the main stairway all the way down into the Temple.  It's tough to get it just right so you don't land until you are actually in the Temple, but it can be done.

 

I'm assuming you can't fly in a city for the same reason you can't fly in Dalaran, it would just create extreme clutter.  The main city does not have channels unlike the leveling areas so everyone that plays the game can be in one channel at the same time in the same place.  I'm impressed that I get no lag at all in Pandemonium when it's chock full of people.   (unlike another popular MMO that simply cannot support the number of people in it's capital city and is a lag fest after YEARS of being out)

 

I certainly wouldn't want to give up my lag free capital city just so I can free fly.  Besides, learning how to glide is a very fun mini game in itself.

 

If swimming is that big of a deal for you, then I guess this is the wrong game for you.   Underwater quests were always a pain as far as I was concerned.  There are a few winged creatures that can swim underwater, but not many.  I guess Elyos and Asmodians fall under the category of things with wings that can't swim. I would rather be an Eagle than a Penguin any day!

 

 

 

 

 

Lag or FPS? Because I even get bogged down a little bit, most intially and I am SL 9800GTX 512.

Originally posted by Legato89

Flight and flying combat is much better in Champions Online. In AION they tell you where to fly and for how long.

I just want to state in an easy way why you cannot fly everywhere and forever. I will even break it down for some of you that cant get it through your heads.

1) All MMORPG's have lore that the game SHOULD follow.

2) According to AION lore the reason daeva's can fly is because there is a special substance called aether that allows it

3) It is specifically stated in the lore that aether is sporadic around the world of Atreia, and some zones have a larger concentration then others, thus you cannot fly but can glide in certain zones more then others.

4) NCsoft limited flying on purpose to make it a much more strategic part of Aion, this isnt wow so stop trying to compare flying around as a aesthetic vs an actual combat alternative.

5) This is a game design decision, if it is one you do not like, they you do not have to Play Aion.

As a personal opinion, Aion flight has been integrated in the game perfectly for what its purpose is. Flying is not solely for a means of travel but it is also a means of strategic importance.

Originally posted by mmaize
 

Lol...well this is a nice way to put a bow on a major design flaw but I do get what you're trying to do.  But facts are facts and the fact is that you can walk into water easy enough and even walk on the bottom with no issue of drowning, the only time this isn't true is in deep water.  But all that aside it's a simple fact that they did not put in any animation for swimming, treading water, or hell even drowning...at least do SOMETHING

When lineage 2 was released there was no swimming either.  You simply walked along the bottom of the water.  You didn't even have a health bar!  You could walk straight down the river, it was sick.

My point is that Lineage 2 now has swimming, drowning animations, breath bar... etc.

I'm sure it'll be patched in, it's just the little things like class balance took priority.

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Originally posted by denshing

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Originally posted by nuififun

Theres a lot of Aion Fanboyism on here -  The fact is that flying is Aions only unique feature, if it didnt have flying then it would be even more of a bland carbon copy mmo than it already is.
I found it incredible that after 'ascension' you were transported to a city that doesnt allow flying.. and dont give me this gliding BS...
you spend a couple of hours in a fish-bowl zone with a massive invisible wall in it.... to complete some kill X quests, Theres one quest that actually makes use of the wings but its VERY uninspired, you then walk up to another area and guess what its a no fly zone.. pathetic.
 

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Isn't it a shame the fanbois are providing solid reasons to why 99% of the people in this thread are judging a game before they even hit the primary part of the world. You should listen to fanbois more often, they actuall know how to spot someone judging a game by the newb zones.
 

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This makes no sense - I suggest reworking it so I can understand WTF you are talking about.

Still this kind of post???

EVERYONE KNOWS YOU CAN'T FLY EVERYWHERE IN THE GAME.  so nothing new, if you don't know maybe you didn't research the game enough before you buy it. so next time do your homework.

Not like this for long, but there are still timers. 

Seriously if you are basing whether or not you play an MMO where people generally put hundreds to thousands of hours into the game based on the length of time and areas in which you can fly you should probably take a step back, take a look in the mirror, and ask yourself how you became such a shallow douchebag.

Not saying this because you dislike Aion.  That's fine and I hope you enjoy your gaming in other place.  The damn game is too overpopulated with WoWtards right now anyway.

Originally posted by Murashu

Originally posted by Guillermo197

Maybe you guys should learn 2 play the game.

No fly zone doesn't mean you cannot glide? As you can glide!

Lot of the PVE zones are artistically so designed that they have different elevations.

It's extremely fun and effective if you get the hang of gliding.

Later on, in the PVP zones, like the Abyss. These are full fly zones and you will have to fly to get to most places!

There is all kinds of gear, items and consumables (even lvl30, 40 and 50 upgradable wings) that signifanctly increase your flight timer to over 5 minutes!

So again. Learn 2 play the game!

 

l2read

 

Flying is not gliding. As I mentioned before gliding is fun but it does not replace being able to fly from point a to point b.

Gliding IS important in this discussion because the OP specifically mentioned the lack of ground mounts as a reason for why Aion needs more flight zones. If you learn how to glide effectively you will be able to glide for a very far distance, needing only the smallest of inclines to get you started. This enables you to move very quickly from area to area which actually results in much faster travel than a mount would be allow in another MMO. I believe that gliding will be one of the main factors that will separate the good PvPers from the great PVPers.

You did, however, seemingly miss half of his post. He goes on to say that you can have 100% free flight in the main area of the game - the Abyss. This is not even including the other "PvE" areas that are full flight. On top of that, you can get upgraded wings, enchants, AND potions that all increase your flight speed and duration. With all of these you can, theoretically, fly for a very, very long duration.

I believe that the typical complaints of flight restrictions in this game are some of the weakest trolling attempts I have ever seen. These players generally played the game up to level 10 (if they played at all) and were mad that they weren't immediately flying on their Drakes from WoW. If you actually played the game (mind you, I'm glad you trolls are not - have fun in WoW) you would soon realize that the flight aspect in this game opens up a whole new level of gameplay and strategy that other MMOs have only been able to fall short of.

^^ If you can get that gliding down it's awesome. I noticed when you jump right click will make you kind of "catch air more" as to where holding left click will make you kind of speed up in a sense. Once you get the hang of it though you can definetely get out of some situations and cover alot of ground. You gotta love the trolls. Who the hell wants to constantly fly anyway? I would actually find that more annoying then anything.

Theirs more fly zones in higher level areas, but in the the first zone for each race theirs only maybe 2 areas.

Honestly I don't mind, if we could take off and fly whenever we wanted running from mob's would be far to easy, or getting deep into a group area.

Plus we can still glide, which is much faster than flying from what i've seen. Even discovered you can get more air time if you hold forward awhile and release.

The only people criticizing this have never played the game, because people who play know that flying works very well.

I have +300 hours played but hey what do I know. Aion flying is bullshit plain and simple.

Randomfanboy: 'But wahwahwah buhuhuhu.'

Forumfall: 'Stfu.'