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  User Deleted
9/22/09 7:48:11 AM#41
Originally posted by Obraik

 

Considering TOR is mostly going to be Jedi centered, I see little interest for me PvP'ing in it.

 

Hah, SWG is not jedi centric now, right? I actually resubbed about 3 months ago, I think I lasted about a week before I ran out of fun. It was really nothing more then Jedi and Spies. 

Anyways, I think you will be pretty wrong, I usually play mlee classes in MMOs, so far "all" the ranged classes shown in ToR seem more appealing then Jedi/Sith. There was actually a thread about a month back on the ToR forums, lots of people felt the same.

  Obraik

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9/22/09 8:01:59 AM#42
Originally posted by greed0104
Originally posted by Obraik

 

Considering TOR is mostly going to be Jedi centered, I see little interest for me PvP'ing in it.

 

Hah, SWG is not jedi centric now, right? I actually resubbed about 3 months ago, I think I lasted about a week before I ran out of fun. It was really nothing more then Jedi and Spies. 

Anyways, I think you will be pretty wrong, I usually play mlee classes in MMOs, so far "all" the ranged classes shown in ToR seem more appealing then Jedi/Sith. There was actually a thread about a month back on the ToR forums, lots of people felt the same.


 

There's a "healthy" amount of Jedi, but there's a healthy amount of non-jedi.  I encounter more non-Jedi then I do Jedi...

  Daffid011

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9/22/09 8:10:06 AM#43

To answer the original question as posed in the title of this thread, no I cannot think of any other mmo that has charged players to move characters after a server merger.  Every game that I can think of has a free character transfer after there are server mergers.  Even after the mergers have happened and do not require former players to resubscribe during a 30 day period to avoid a psuedo $50 reactivation fee.   Even soe games have given free transfers if a players resubscribes at any time AFTER servers mergers have occured.  I know, because I have done it.

 

A valid reason for the hows and whys soe is conducting mergers in this manner eludes me and I have been thinking hard for a reason that makes good business sense.  I understand that it is not likely many former players will ever return to swg, but that doesn't mean there are not a lot of people who really want to.  This is effectively soe closing the door on recovery. 

Regardless of how hard the current players so desperately want to shift attention to former players for what is going on and away from how soe is conducting these mergers, it still puts soe in a very small [unique?] position in how they are handling the mergers.

 

It is just another case of soe not caring and their current playerbase telling people to go away. 

  User Deleted
9/22/09 8:20:52 AM#44
Originally posted by Obraik

 

There's a "healthy" amount of Jedi, but there's a healthy amount of non-jedi.  I encounter more non-Jedi then I do Jedi...

 

Jedi are far more then healthy in numbers, same goes for Spy.

Even if ToR is full of Jedi/Sith, at least it's historically correct in lore. Something SWG is not. People also have other reasons for not choosing what you think will be the FOTM class. Story being a huge part of that. Every class seems to have it's own unique appeal. I really can't say that for SWG. Bounty Hunters in galaxies have what? Bubbles? That's amazingly awesome and I think I will roll a BH in SWG because they had, bubbles, in the movies. Out of all classes in WoW why did SoE have to make BH the damn Paladin?

  Daffid011

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9/22/09 8:22:38 AM#45
Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by greed0104
Originally posted by Obraik

 

Considering TOR is mostly going to be Jedi centered, I see little interest for me PvP'ing in it.

 

Hah, SWG is not jedi centric now, right? I actually resubbed about 3 months ago, I think I lasted about a week before I ran out of fun. It was really nothing more then Jedi and Spies. 

Anyways, I think you will be pretty wrong, I usually play mlee classes in MMOs, so far "all" the ranged classes shown in ToR seem more appealing then Jedi/Sith. There was actually a thread about a month back on the ToR forums, lots of people felt the same.


 

There's a "healthy" amount of Jedi, but there's a healthy amount of non-jedi.  I encounter more non-Jedi then I do Jedi...

 

The number of jedi running around during this timeline beyond Luke, Yoda, Vadar and the emperor is not healthy.  Also considering as the number of jedi increased in swg, the player population declined.  I must disagree with your definition of healthy.  Just as I disgree with your definition of successful.  

 

It is funny how you demand proof of even the most obvious situations in swg or soe, but you have little problem making unsubstantiated claims about bioware and their star wars mmo without missing a beat. 

People cannot say soe is on the decline, even when the company has closed more than half of their total game servers across their mmo division, but you can make claims about a game that has not been released yet and you have never played.

Very nice.

  Fignar

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9/22/09 8:48:41 AM#46
Originally posted by Daffid011
Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by greed0104
Originally posted by Obraik

 

Considering TOR is mostly going to be Jedi centered, I see little interest for me PvP'ing in it.

 

Hah, SWG is not jedi centric now, right? I actually resubbed about 3 months ago, I think I lasted about a week before I ran out of fun. It was really nothing more then Jedi and Spies. 

Anyways, I think you will be pretty wrong, I usually play mlee classes in MMOs, so far "all" the ranged classes shown in ToR seem more appealing then Jedi/Sith. There was actually a thread about a month back on the ToR forums, lots of people felt the same.


 

There's a "healthy" amount of Jedi, but there's a healthy amount of non-jedi.  I encounter more non-Jedi then I do Jedi...

 

The number of jedi running around during this timeline beyond Luke, Yoda, Vadar and the emperor is not healthy.  Also considering as the number of jedi increased in swg, the player population declined.  I must disagree with your definition of healthy.  Just as I disgree with your definition of successful.  

 

It is funny how you demand proof of even the most obvious situations in swg or soe, but you have little problem making unsubstantiated claims about bioware and their star wars mmo without missing a beat. 

People cannot say soe is on the decline, even when the company has closed more than half of their total game servers across their mmo division, but you can make claims about a game that has not been released yet and you have never played.

Very nice.

Agree with you here and I will be very interested to know were he gets the impression that SWTOR will be jedi centric. From what I have gathered is every class will have its own unique experience so its actually centred on your class due to the whole focus being put on story. IF however he is referring jedi out numbering the other classes I highly doubt it as for once the other classes actually look more viable than jedi do thats not saying jedi won't be popular but it won't be a wash with millions of jedi (my impression so don't take that as fact).

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  Gutboy

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9/22/09 8:52:40 AM#47
Originally posted by greed0104
Originally posted by Obraik

 

There's a "healthy" amount of Jedi, but there's a healthy amount of non-jedi.  I encounter more non-Jedi then I do Jedi...

 

Jedi are far more then healthy in numbers, same goes for Spy.

Even if ToR is full of Jedi/Sith, at least it's historically correct in lore. Something SWG is not. People also have other reasons for not choosing what you think will be the FOTM class. Story being a huge part of that. Every class seems to have it's own unique appeal. I really can't say that for SWG. Bounty Hunters in galaxies have what? Bubbles? That's amazingly awesome and I think I will roll a BH in SWG because they had, bubbles, in the movies. Out of all classes in WoW why did SoE have to make BH the damn Paladin?


 

Current numbers show that right around 30% of toons are Jedi and around 7% are spys in SWG.

  User Deleted
9/22/09 8:57:18 AM#48
Originally posted by Gutboy
Originally posted by greed0104
Originally posted by Obraik

 

There's a "healthy" amount of Jedi, but there's a healthy amount of non-jedi.  I encounter more non-Jedi then I do Jedi...

 

Jedi are far more then healthy in numbers, same goes for Spy.

Even if ToR is full of Jedi/Sith, at least it's historically correct in lore. Something SWG is not. People also have other reasons for not choosing what you think will be the FOTM class. Story being a huge part of that. Every class seems to have it's own unique appeal. I really can't say that for SWG. Bounty Hunters in galaxies have what? Bubbles? That's amazingly awesome and I think I will roll a BH in SWG because they had, bubbles, in the movies. Out of all classes in WoW why did SoE have to make BH the damn Paladin?


 

Current numbers show that right around 30% of toons are Jedi and around 7% are spys in SWG.

Got a link to this? 30% Jedi, so one class represents 30% of the total population out of Nine classes right. Where was you going with this?

  Esquire1980

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9/22/09 12:04:11 PM#49
Originally posted by Daffid011

To answer the original question as posed in the title of this thread, no I cannot think of any other mmo that has charged players to move characters after a server merger.  Every game that I can think of has a free character transfer after there are server mergers.  Even after the mergers have happened and do not require former players to resubscribe during a 30 day period to avoid a psuedo $50 reactivation fee.   Even soe games have given free transfers if a players resubscribes at any time AFTER servers mergers have occured.  I know, because I have done it.

 

A valid reason for the hows and whys soe is conducting mergers in this manner eludes me and I have been thinking hard for a reason that makes good business sense.  I understand that it is not likely many former players will ever return to swg, but that doesn't mean there are not a lot of people who really want to.  This is effectively soe closing the door on recovery. 

Regardless of how hard the current players so desperately want to shift attention to former players for what is going on and away from how soe is conducting these mergers, it still puts soe in a very small [unique?] position in how they are handling the mergers.

 

It is just another case of soe not caring and their current playerbase telling people to go away. 


 

"A valid reason for the hows and whys soe is conducting mergers in this manner eludes me and I have been thinking hard for a reason that makes good business sense."

 

 

I would believe that there is a reason for SOE to make this move contrary to what every other MMO has done in simular situations.  However, it's kinda like the seeing closing servers is on the way when SOE is stating "we have no plans for server closures, at the moment".

If (and I use the word "if") ALL the servers were to be closed in the near future in regards to a "sunset" (remember Smedly used that word), then haveing "vets" come back, at all, is of no importance.  Everything I see seems to point in that direction, now, and it really appears to me that this decision has already been made on the part of SOE.

Smed using the word "sunset" in connection with SWG, no long term future development plans past mainly this year, TOR coming out soon, SOE working on another Star Wars "free realms" MMO, The Producer beats feet (probably to the tween browser based game) and his replacement has to do his original job AND the Producer job (- 1 more dev), Drak being very quiet in his ti-raids (muzzled?), SOE Austin, as a whole, going into "we don't post/talk mode", player concerns going even un-acknowleged (LS = pve (tank) without even so much as a "working as intended", another buddy system designed to milk players out of yet another 60.00 fully aware that new players in this system are not so much a factor as they tried it before and it failed miserably, and even good business sence would tell you that LA would not want 2 competing MMOs in this economy, etc., etc., etc.

As with server closings, the handwriting appears to be on the wall.  The evidence is starting to add up.

  tman5

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9/22/09 1:04:30 PM#50

Again, this is just about people generating outrage at anything SOE does, regardless of whether there is any real impact to themselves.

Anyone who was going to return the the game as it is today would have done so already.   If you have not transferred your character in one of the previous free transfers or taking advantage of the one currently going, then you have no intent, never had intent and never will have intent to do so.   You are feigning outrage.

On the very outside chance there is that 1 in 1000 person who truly, legitimately, was holding out some sliver of hope that SWG would "improve" enough to warrant returning and is now upset at these developments  - Well, you are living in a fantasy world anyway and need to move on.   This is best.

SOE is finally admitting they will never get the vets to return (in any substantial number).  They are giving up in trying. 

  TUX426

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9/22/09 2:18:05 PM#51
Originally posted by tman5 

SOE is finally admitting they will never get the vets to return (in any substantial number).  They are giving up in trying. 

 

Nope. They know that SWG is like crack to some people and this is a last ditch effort to make money. There are undoubtedly former players ("hold outs") who have expressed a desire to avoid SWG until the GCW Update. It's obvious (to me) that this is an effort to get more money from them now or later. $15 to transfer now or $50 to hold out and hear the real reviews on the Update...either way, SoE wins.

The GCW Update is one of the few things that could have saved the game and one of the few features that WILL draw players back. The allure of a Neutral player being able to go fight for either or against either faction is powerful. They'll market it in a way that it will sound like a kick ass feature and the people who WANT to believe, will. And they'll fork over $50...

Had SoE devoted even a fraction of the time to the GCW that they did to profession revamps, Heroics, Hoth, parties, Battle Grounds and Chronicles, the game would NOT be in the shape it is. The WAR should have been the reason to run Hoth...not tokens. Instead of a meaningful "faction" system with multiple options, we got phat lewt from the TCG.

So...while you think they are giving up on Vets, I disagree. It looks to me like they're going for every last cent they can make off of them.

  Daffid011

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9/22/09 3:10:16 PM#52
Originally posted by tman5

Again, this is just about people generating outrage at anything SOE does, regardless of whether there is any real impact to themselves.


 

This isn't just outrage over ANYTHING soe does.  Some may bitch about anything they do, but equally, some people praise everything they do not matter what.

 

I think everyone understands that server mergers at this point are a positive step for the remaining populations.

The manner surrounding the mergers is what sucks and it is worth pointing out, for example:

These mergers comes far to late to fix the problems some players have been begging to get resolved for years... years.  SOE left the only avenue for healthy populations at the expense of the players by charging for transfers. 

The chaos and unorganized manner in how they conducted the free transfers in the first place. 

Springing mergers on players after saying they had no plans kind of sucks, but if it is necessary then so be it. 

Charging any returning player $50 to transfer if for some reason they did not hear about this before Oct15th is shameless.  I don't care if SOE has given up on regaining old players, that is no excuse to alienate them.... again.

Especially for a company that wants to rebuild their image as one who listens to the customers and cares about anything.  

 

 

I am not pretending that any sizable amount of players are going to return to SWG, including myself, but that is nothing I can control.  The current soe is never going to do what is needed to win back players.  From their complete lack of respect to their customers, the constant money grabs - RMT - loot cards, flawed designs and on and on.  They are going to continue acting in this manner until they close shop, have a major change in leadership or somehow blindly stumble on success with how they run the company.  

 

Lets put it this way, if blizzard was doing mergers like this every other poster on this forum would be up in arms over and it would be front page news.

Since it is SOE behind this, it is just more of the same from a company that people have come to expect this type of behavior from.

  Obraik

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9/22/09 6:40:40 PM#53
Originally posted by Daffid011
Originally posted by Obraik
Originally posted by greed0104
Originally posted by Obraik

 

Considering TOR is mostly going to be Jedi centered, I see little interest for me PvP'ing in it.

 

Hah, SWG is not jedi centric now, right? I actually resubbed about 3 months ago, I think I lasted about a week before I ran out of fun. It was really nothing more then Jedi and Spies. 

Anyways, I think you will be pretty wrong, I usually play mlee classes in MMOs, so far "all" the ranged classes shown in ToR seem more appealing then Jedi/Sith. There was actually a thread about a month back on the ToR forums, lots of people felt the same.


 

There's a "healthy" amount of Jedi, but there's a healthy amount of non-jedi.  I encounter more non-Jedi then I do Jedi...

 

The number of jedi running around during this timeline beyond Luke, Yoda, Vadar and the emperor is not healthy.  Also considering as the number of jedi increased in swg, the player population declined.  I must disagree with your definition of healthy.  Just as I disgree with your definition of successful.  

 

It is funny how you demand proof of even the most obvious situations in swg or soe, but you have little problem making unsubstantiated claims about bioware and their star wars mmo without missing a beat. 

People cannot say soe is on the decline, even when the company has closed more than half of their total game servers across their mmo division, but you can make claims about a game that has not been released yet and you have never played.

Very nice.

For the record, I don't like the Jedi profession (hence why I don't play it, nor did I persue it during the pre-nge days) and I despise the Spy profession (for the others who mentioned it).

As for the claim of TOR being Jedi centric, indeed, it is just my opinion.  My opinion that is based on the the previous two KOTOR games, the fancy game trailer that they did for TOR featuring a stack of Jedi and the majority of their screenshots and what not of the game as a whole featuring Jedi.  You're perfectly within your right to reject my opinion, just as I was yours ;)

  User Deleted
9/22/09 6:50:11 PM#54
Originally posted by Obraik

For the record, I don't like the Jedi profession (hence why I don't play it, nor did I persue it during the pre-nge days) and I despise the Spy profession (for the others who mentioned it).

As for the claim of TOR being Jedi centric, indeed, it is just my opinion.  My opinion that is based on the the previous two KOTOR games, the fancy game trailer that they did for TOR featuring a stack of Jedi and the majority of their screenshots and what not of the game as a whole featuring Jedi.  You're perfectly within your right to reject my opinion, just as I was yours ;)

 

So your opinion is based off of KoTOR, a Single Player RPG where you had no other option then to play Jedi . You also probably arn't thinking about the many charactes you encountered in KoTOR, which actually made the game far more enjoyable then playing a Jedi, Canderous Ordo being my favorite. Given the option, you don't believe players would have chose something other then Jedi, if it had a deep story behind it, like ToR will? And to add on top of that, most of the screen shots feature Jedi and Sith because it was the first classes to be known to ToR. After that it was Bounty Hunter which got a good amount of Screen Shots to follow it's announcment and the same for every class since then. The only reason you see more Light Sabers currently is because Sith Warrior was announced, and like I said before, screen shots follow the announcment. And just from glancing at the screen shots, most of them are scenery such as cities and creatures you encounter.

  tman5

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9/22/09 8:08:42 PM#55
Originally posted by Daffid011

This isn't just outrage over ANYTHING soe does.  Some may bitch about anything they do, but equally, some people praise everything they do not matter what.

 I think everyone understands that server mergers at this point are a positive step for the remaining populations.

The manner surrounding the mergers is what sucks and it is worth pointing out, for example:

These mergers comes far to late to fix the problems some players have been begging to get resolved for years... years.  SOE left the only avenue for healthy populations at the expense of the players by charging for transfers. 

No argument here.

The chaos and unorganized manner in how they conducted the free transfers in the first place. 

I thought it was straight-forward.  I extracted my character to a populated server some months back with no problem.  Then found the game sucks just as much with a population as without.

Springing mergers on players after saying they had no plans kind of sucks, but if it is necessary then so be it. 

I'm not sure I agree with "springing."   No plans as of, what, a year ago?  Situations and outlooks change.

Charging any returning player $50 to transfer if for some reason they did not hear about this before Oct15th is shameless.  I don't care if SOE has given up on regaining old players, that is no excuse to alienate them.... again.

Here's my point:  Nobody will be charged $50 for a transfer.  Anybody who ever might return to that game has done so (and probably left again).   Anyone marginally interested in the game will keep tabs on what is happening.  Emails are sent out.   If you care anything at all about SWG, you know what is happening and you have already moved your character (or are in process).  Nobody is going to pop up next year and go "Kettemoor is gone?  When did that happen?"  (If someone does, let me know.  I'll gladly admit I'm wrong. )

The original title question is "Has any other MMO charged for transferring off a closed server?"   "Other MMO" presumes SOE will charge to xfer off a closed server.   It hasn't happen and it won't happen.  Might as well ask "What if God and Superman had a fight?"


Especially for a company that wants to rebuild their image as one who listens to the customers and cares about anything.  

I am not pretending that any sizable amount of players are going to return to SWG, including myself, but that is nothing I can control.  The current soe is never going to do what is needed to win back players.  From their complete lack of respect to their customers, the constant money grabs - RMT - loot cards, flawed designs and on and on.  They are going to continue acting in this manner until they close shop, have a major change in leadership or somehow blindly stumble on success with how they run the company.  

I think the type of gamer/customer generally represented on this forum (myself included) is not the customer SOE is looking for.   I think that is clear.  They have decided whatever "image" problem they have with "us" is not worth it to them to fix.  They are looking for a different demographic and are cutting their losses with whatever "we" represent.

Lets put it this way, if blizzard was doing mergers like this every other poster on this forum would be up in arms over and it would be front page news.

If Blizzard did it, how many millions would be affected?  In this case, all I hear is "what if."   Nobody has been charged 50 bucks.

Since it is SOE behind this, it is just more of the same from a company that people have come to expect this type of behavior from.

Well, yeah.  All the more reason I don't get the faux outrage.  "Damn, that scorpion stung me.  Mother fu-"

 

 

  Obraik

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9/22/09 9:24:24 PM#56
Originally posted by greed0104
Originally posted by Obraik

For the record, I don't like the Jedi profession (hence why I don't play it, nor did I persue it during the pre-nge days) and I despise the Spy profession (for the others who mentioned it).

As for the claim of TOR being Jedi centric, indeed, it is just my opinion.  My opinion that is based on the the previous two KOTOR games, the fancy game trailer that they did for TOR featuring a stack of Jedi and the majority of their screenshots and what not of the game as a whole featuring Jedi.  You're perfectly within your right to reject my opinion, just as I was yours ;)

 

So your opinion is based off of KoTOR, a Single Player RPG where you had no other option then to play Jedi . You also probably arn't thinking about the many charactes you encountered in KoTOR, which actually made the game far more enjoyable then playing a Jedi, Canderous Ordo being my favorite. Given the option, you don't believe players would have chose something other then Jedi, if it had a deep story behind it, like ToR will? And to add on top of that, most of the screen shots feature Jedi and Sith because it was the first classes to be known to ToR. After that it was Bounty Hunter which got a good amount of Screen Shots to follow it's announcment and the same for every class since then. The only reason you see more Light Sabers currently is because Sith Warrior was announced, and like I said before, screen shots follow the announcment. And just from glancing at the screen shots, most of them are scenery such as cities and creatures you encounter.

Then I look forward to being pleasently surprised when TOR launches.

  Daffid011

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9/22/09 9:47:14 PM#57
Originally posted by tman5
Originally posted by Daffid011

This isn't just outrage over ANYTHING soe does.  Some may bitch about anything they do, but equally, some people praise everything they do not matter what.

 I think everyone understands that server mergers at this point are a positive step for the remaining populations.

The manner surrounding the mergers is what sucks and it is worth pointing out, for example:

These mergers comes far to late to fix the problems some players have been begging to get resolved for years... years.  SOE left the only avenue for healthy populations at the expense of the players by charging for transfers. 

No argument here.

The chaos and unorganized manner in how they conducted the free transfers in the first place. 

I thought it was straight-forward.  I extracted my character to a populated server some months back with no problem.  Then found the game sucks just as much with a population as without.

Springing mergers on players after saying they had no plans kind of sucks, but if it is necessary then so be it. 

I'm not sure I agree with "springing."   No plans as of, what, a year ago?  Situations and outlooks change.

Charging any returning player $50 to transfer if for some reason they did not hear about this before Oct15th is shameless.  I don't care if SOE has given up on regaining old players, that is no excuse to alienate them.... again.

Here's my point:  Nobody will be charged $50 for a transfer.  Anybody who ever might return to that game has done so (and probably left again).   Anyone marginally interested in the game will keep tabs on what is happening.  Emails are sent out.   If you care anything at all about SWG, you know what is happening and you have already moved your character (or are in process).  Nobody is going to pop up next year and go "Kettemoor is gone?  When did that happen?"  (If someone does, let me know.  I'll gladly admit I'm wrong. )

The original title question is "Has any other MMO charged for transferring off a closed server?"   "Other MMO" presumes SOE will charge to xfer off a closed server.   It hasn't happen and it won't happen.  Might as well ask "What if God and Superman had a fight?"


Especially for a company that wants to rebuild their image as one who listens to the customers and cares about anything.  

I am not pretending that any sizable amount of players are going to return to SWG, including myself, but that is nothing I can control.  The current soe is never going to do what is needed to win back players.  From their complete lack of respect to their customers, the constant money grabs - RMT - loot cards, flawed designs and on and on.  They are going to continue acting in this manner until they close shop, have a major change in leadership or somehow blindly stumble on success with how they run the company.  

I think the type of gamer/customer generally represented on this forum (myself included) is not the customer SOE is looking for.   I think that is clear.  They have decided whatever "image" problem they have with "us" is not worth it to them to fix.  They are looking for a different demographic and are cutting their losses with whatever "we" represent.

Lets put it this way, if blizzard was doing mergers like this every other poster on this forum would be up in arms over and it would be front page news.

If Blizzard did it, how many millions would be affected?  In this case, all I hear is "what if."   Nobody has been charged 50 bucks.

Since it is SOE behind this, it is just more of the same from a company that people have come to expect this type of behavior from.

Well, yeah.  All the more reason I don't get the faux outrage.  "Damn, that scorpion stung me.  Mother fu-"

 

 

 

As for "springing" the changes, I know situations change.  However other companies were up front and honest enough months in advance that they were planning on merging servers when they were needed.  Funcom and Mythic for example.  Smed promised to fast track server mergers years ago, but then it suddenly became "impossible" to do, even though they did it already with the Asian servers when they closed the SOE-East project.  My point was that SOE knew this was coming long ago, dragged their feet when they could make extra money on paid transfers at the expense of the community and then gave the shortest notice I can recall.  Which just happens to have the threat of a $50 charge for those same transfers if you don't resubscribe right now.

This isn't the first time I have gotten an email from soe that basically said "come back to swg or else". 

As for how they handled the mergers.  SOE needed to merge servers with design.  Instead they left if open to the players and a sort of panic or rather a herd mentaility took over.  Everyone rushed "the popular" server and most of the intent of the mergers was undone.  Even people on the destination servers left those servers to join "the popular" server.  It didn't work in warhammer so I don't know why soe thought it would work here.   Addressing a problem without a solid plan is rather pointless.

Sure no one has been charged $50 yet, but it isn't beyond Oct 15th yet either.  How many times have did people say "what is the NGE" or "what happened to SWG" 30 days after Nov 15th 2005?  Believe it or not, everyone doesn't read forums or get emails from soe.  You will see people that are caught off guard by this and soe is throwing out the baby with the bathwater here.

We both agree that people are not going to come rushing back, but some do.   SOE is effectively cutting relations with everyone by doing this and it is stupid business.  There is no justifiable reason to charge $50 other than to piss on former customers, including the ones who are not angry vets and still occassional players.  That is how soe is though.

 

Faux rage.  I guess it can be seen that way. I don't like the message is sending, but it is something we have come to expect and it is never a good sign from a company.   Would I like to see a time that soe stops doing this, yes.  I think many people here would really like to be soe customers, but there is just so much keeping people away and this is just another example of that. I don't care how far seperated a company is from its customer base, this isn't good business.

 

 

  ArcAngel3

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9/22/09 10:13:35 PM#58

I think "springing" the server closures fits for a number of reasons:

-People were told that there would be no server mergers because (a) it wasn't possible, and (b) players didn't want it.  Specifically we were told that people enjoy their more intimate servers with smaller, close-knit communities.

-We were told that the transfer servers were actually growing, and that they would soon be home to large populations again.

-If SOE was planning to give people free transfers off of specific servers, and then close them, they could have shared this information a long time ago.  They didn't have to wait until shortly before implementation, and give such a limit window for free transfer.

In my view, a respectful way of doing this would have been to tell people that the populations on certain servers were simply too low for them to be maintained.  Anyone wishing to transfer to a new server prior to closure could do so for free.  Servers that would remain open would be identified.  The dev team could then work to ensure that people could take as much as possible with them from one server to the next. 

In my opinion, someone at SOE seems philosophically opposed to open and honest communication with customers.  Do they think it's a losing strategy for some reason?  It seems to me that the alternative hasn't worked very well.

  stillkillin

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Joined: 2/24/09
Posts: 233

9/23/09 12:12:36 AM#59

it is clear

$OE still shows that they do not care about the player base of swg rather then just want to lie and rip whomever plays the nge off for whatever they can get out of them be it with loot cards or this. anyone who supports $OE or the nge has no right to call themselfs a gamer.

oh and i have 3 friends who are taking legal action on $OE for this

  Silvermink

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Joined: 6/07/07
Posts: 289

9/23/09 7:54:29 AM#60
Originally posted by ArcAngel3

In my view, a respectful way of doing this would have been to tell people that the populations on certain servers were simply too low for them to be maintained.  Anyone wishing to transfer to a new server prior to closure could do so for free.  Servers that would remain open would be identified.  The dev team could then work to ensure that people could take as much as possible with them from one server to the next. 

In my opinion, someone at SOE seems philosophically opposed to open and honest communication with customers.  Do they think it's a losing strategy for some reason?  It seems to me that the alternative hasn't worked very well.

 

This is pretty much what SOE did. 9 months isn't respectful? Although, at first they didn't intend to merge the servers, just gave a free transfer to larger population servers.

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