fury was a great pvp game ,this games had ton of pvp goal 

Originally posted by kruler

Originally posted by GunWorld

Originally posted by Awakened

Most game developers try too hard to create the "fine line" between PvE and PvP and end up just making a PvE game with some second-thought PvP content thrown in.  The result of this is usually a FFA server with people randomly running around ganking people with no purpose or a faction system that makes small scale PvP difficult to enjoy. 

The key to a fun PvP is making it fair, competative, and with an objective.  People enjoy PvP cause it is competative, it's the only thing in MMORPG's that's hard.  It's more enjoyable for everyone when it's fair, and it stays enjoyable longer if there is an objective or purpose to it.

I haven't played Aion specifically, but if it doesn't have those three ingrediants that Iwouldn't enjoy the PvP in it, and eventually the PvP community and structure will breakdown into a bunch of individuals randomly attacking other individuals out of boredom.  Grief doesn't come from "evil PvPers", it comes from bored PvPers.

 

Very well stated Awakened. 

Notice the form folks... generally disagreed with my O.P but responded with a logical, unemotional and basically unarguable reply... so rare indeed.  Cheers Awakened.

Yeah well done 100% agree, whats that phrase again, think its "The  Devil makes use of idle hands"  a pvp or pvp/pve game with some bored players equals the illusion of a server full of asshats, I say illusion as its only a % number of players doing the most rabid ganking, but generates such a large feedback. 
 

Ganking occurs as you cant stop all little boys from pulling the wings off insects. And sandbox pvp games should be renamed Sandpit game in allot of cases.

Hmmm Tonka Toys online with pvp, HEY SOE I got a pitch for a new kiddie game.

grin .yep your post is cool

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Originally posted by Awakened
The key to a fun PvP is making it fair, competative, and with an objective.

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Fair and competitive exclude each other.
Objective is always present in PVP - it is to beat the other player.

As for the rest of the post...why not just saying PVP is not for you?

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Awakened
The key to a fun PvP is making it fair, competative, and with an objective.

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Fair and competitive exclude each other.
Objective is always present in PVP - it is to beat the other player.

As for the rest of the post...why not just saying PVP is not for you?

korean do fair and they do pvp 

most here probably wouldnt like it but thats another story

Originally posted by Gdemami

 

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Originally posted by Awakened
The key to a fun PvP is making it fair, competative, and with an objective.

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Fair and competitive exclude each other.
Objective is always present in PVP - it is to beat the other player.

As for the rest of the post...why not just saying PVP is not for you?

Umm...who were you talking to when you said "As for the rest of the post"?   was that me?   Ohhh... you thought this was another "I don't like PvP at all, so here is my thread about it."

-nope, sorry. that is on like page 7 of the forum topics.

Personally, as someone who pvps in WoW, i do it because i tire of having something scripted, i mean i pay for an online game so i can experience the game with others and in my opinion id rather just log on and wait a few minutes and play a pvp match, than have to wait hours and hours to get a group together to go do something that i could do offline. Just my 2 cents

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Originally posted by GunWorld
 
Umm...who were you talking to when you said "As for the rest of the post"?   was that me?   Ohhh... you thought this was another "I don't like PvP at all, so here is my thread about it."
-nope, sorry. that is on like page 7 of the forum topics.

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"As for the rest of the post" - the rest of the post I was replying to.

And yes, this is indeed another thread 'I don't like PVP'.

People already pointed out, including myself, how invalid your view on PVP is. Then you complain about lack of 'logical' replies when you do not care about any logic but all you seek is opinion similar to your own.

I can make an example about 'ganking' complaint.
Did you ever thought that the problem is not the groups killing individuals but that lone player being at wrong place at wrong time?

That's what PVP is about.

Ok... I don't mind rolling up my sleeves for this one. Let's go pal.

I clearly gave the best respect I could show to Awakened for his post.

Re-read my original post.  I said I have participated in PvP and I understand what is taking place during it.  The argument I am making is that, unless it is end-game and everyone has on their best grear and for the most part the same end-game level... then the PvP that happens before that is CORN-BALL and just a series of going through the motions :   "yea, yea, you got me big fella, now run along."

Did you read the last paragraph of my Opening, I said I was totally open to the idea of the supposed joys of PvP, I just have never felt it,  even in PvP oriented games.  So rare was the battle that I had to perfectly time my moves and make sure I didnt use my best pots at the wrong time....no..... 97% of the time its  "...oh boy here it comes, Mr. High Level and his band of Griefers ."

So what part of the PvP fun was I not understanding?  The danger and the intrigue of big fish eats smaller fish?

The main reason for me for liking pvp is the challenge.  PVE npc's never change their tactics or attacks.  Nearly every player you come against will play slightly different than the guy before him.  Even if it's the same class!  Yes sometimes you get your bell rung by a higher level or higher geared toon as you say.  But it's those fights where you are getting ganked by someone of relatively equal level/gear who try to gank you and you rip their wings off!

It's pretty simple OP.

PVP helps insecure people feel better about themselves.  That's not an insult, it's just an observable fact about human nature.  You can extend it to all forms of competition. 

I'm better than you is an itch that some people need to constantly scratch, whether it be through sports, economics, or mmorpg pvp. There's really no great mystery here at all.

Originally posted by GunWorld

Ok... I don't mind rolling up my sleeves for this one. Let's go pal.

I clearly gave the best respect I could show to Awakened for his post.

Re-read my original post.  I said I have participated in PvP and I understand what is taking place during it.  The argument I am making is that, unless it is end-game and everyone has on their best grear and for the most part the same end-game level... then the PvP that happens before that is CORN-BALL and just a series of going through the motions :   "yea, yea, you got me big fella, now run along."

Did you read the last paragraph of my Opening, I said I was totally open to the idea of the supposed joys of PvP, I just have never felt it,  even in PvP oriented games.  So rare was the battle that I had to perfectly time my moves and make sure I didnt use my best pots at the wrong time....no..... 97% of the time its  "...oh boy here it comes, Mr. High Level and his band of Griefers ."

So what part of the PvP fun was I not understanding?  The danger and the intrigue of big fish eats smaller fish?

 

 

yep i agre totally with you ,pvp is fun 

but grief isnt part of the fun 

often it happens because those ganker cant own their foe 

so they go at lower level .in my view theres a good way to pvp and a bad 

if one come at me in a good way i will accept his challenge ,if im not into leveling

but if  he/she come at me gank style, i just ignore him. i dont even fight back because he isnt worth my time or effort

 your post is true X ,but if the foe ignore him there is no gratification at all lol

hell in wow i sited while he was attacking me i be he tot i was trying to do a move if he had stoped attacking 1 second he would have seen i was sitting and  making him look like a fool

I like mass PvP in MMOs, such as 50+ vs 50+
The thing is it tends to turn out into a zerg fest unless there is some purpose; fight for a castle or a server event. 

Originally posted by veritas_X

It's pretty simple OP.

PVP helps insecure people feel better about themselves.  That's not an insult, it's just an observable fact about human nature.  You can extend it to all forms of competition. 

I'm better than you is an itch that some people need to constantly scratch, whether it be through sports, economics, or mmorpg pvp. There's really no great mystery here at all.

OMG it all makes sense know you know now that i think about it back in the dark ages of human history those vikings and barbarians raiding towns,rapeing and killing people they weren't brutal warriors with a lust for battle and brutality they were just insecure emo's that turned there anger on helpless people that just wanted to craft and farm.

"They were like fuck that nub all he does is farm I'm gonna kill him and beat his wife, rape his cow and steal his loot!"

fyi: I know what you ment by your post just wanted to throw that out there cause I'm bored waiting for the servers to launch.