Originally posted by sr7olsniper

Originally posted by neorandom

 they still need to insitute a bot prevention and cheating keyboard blocker, nothing worse then playing pvp games and having to mow down the same noob and his 5 bot accounts he has folowing him all set to macro heal him and hit his targets.  and blocking things like the g15 also make botting much harder as not allowing client side to spam commands to the character prevents all sorts of cheating, sorry legit g15 users that dont cheat but thats just how it is.

 

Ok that comment is just retarded. I own a G15 and it is currently the only Keybaord I use (planning on getting the G19). Blocking a keyboard is the most stupid comment ever. You can do macros in any game, and assing them to any button you choose; having more buttons on a keyboard has nothing to do with botting. Thats like saying, oh plz ban all the keyboards that ahve F1-F12 buttons cuz you can spam them to use bots. Like i said absolutely retarded.

Don't forget everyone with a decent ping should have there bandwidth throttled to the lowest common denominator too!

Originally posted by Gorilla

Don't forget everyone with a decent ping should have there bandwidth throttled to the lowest common denominator too!

In a game with high importance of PvP? Yes, they should.

 i never had an issue with GG, also i think people are paranoid if they truly believe your computer is an easy target for hackers just cause you use GG. i also never had problems uninstalling it.

 What do you suggest? 300ms limit? Half a second? Maybe go for a full second throttling?  Maybe everyone should play on 300bps modems? 

That's what GCD and slop timers are for. (Aion combat doesn't feel 'crisp' with there daft post cast animations btw).

Is a scroll wheel OK ? How about 5 button mouse? I guess everyone should be throttled down to 15 fps too don't want any advantage there actually better make it 10 to be safe.

Originally posted by AgtSmith

That is your choice, of course, but by your standard no company can ever win you back by stopping use of such stuff so there is no incentive for them to stop using it. 

No, there you are wrong. I plan on tryingout the game (buying)  as soon as they drop GameGuard. I have nothing against NCSoft or Aoin, it is just GameGuard that is a show stopper for me.

Originally posted by Gorilla

 What do you suggest? 300ms limit? Half a second? Maybe go for a full second throttling?  Maybe everyone should play on 300bps modems? 

That's what GCD and slop timers are for. (Aion combat doesn't feel 'crisp' with there daft post cast animations btw).

Is a scroll wheel OK ? How about 5 button mouse? I guess everyone should be throttled down to 15 fps too don't want any advantage there actually better make it 10 to be safe.

Any principle can be taken to ridiculous extremes.

Do you really feel elite because you can own someone who is using a two-button mouse and a bad connection?

Combat macroes and addons are just crutches for the incompetent. You're not playing the game, your keyboard and mouse are.

Originally posted by Delanor

 

No, there you are wrong. I plan on tryingout the game (buying)  as soon as they drop GameGuard. I have nothing against NCSoft or Aoin, it is just GameGuard that is a show stopper for me.

All I read is that they aren't "featuring Game Guard". Given the weasel words devs tend to use, that could well mean it will be installed but not activated.

It's pretty late in the day to be changing the disks going to retail.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Delanor

 

No, there you are wrong. I plan on tryingout the game (buying)  as soon as they drop GameGuard. I have nothing against NCSoft or Aoin, it is just GameGuard that is a show stopper for me.

All I read is that they aren't "featuring Game Guard". Given the weasel words devs tend to use, that could well mean it will be installed but not activated.

It's pretty late in the day to be changing the disks going to retail.

I am a patient man. I can wait a couple of months, which might be the time they need to definitely drop GameGuard (or not). BTW the disk going to retail might not contain GameGuard, because it can be installed with the patcher just as easy.

never had problems, still i prefer it this way, no gg

Originally posted by Skatty2007

Originally posted by DoomsDay01

Just remember, game guard isnt gone. Its actually still on your machine. They just temporarily patched it out. Personally I hope they keep it out as I couldn't use my amBX lighting system with it running but they may throw it back in at any time.

 

So are you saying if one buys the retail game, GameGuard is still in there but not being incorporated\interfaced with?

If that is the case, I retract my raised ale flaggon!  If it is out of the install alltogether, my raised flaggon of ale will still be raised.

One of the major reasons why I won't be trying out Aion is because of GameGuard and all of its rootkit-like attributes it has.

So are you saying that if one buys the retail game, the retail game in a box that was manufactured weeks ago, that NcSoft should go back in time in their magic Aion time machine and redo the production?

I doubt that will happen, but after you install it, it  will update.  You're going to have that last update anyway because I'm pretty sure they shipped 1.5  That would mean that your product would have it's GG disabled the same as the rest of us.

P.S.  There are no such things as time machines, so I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Any principle can be taken to ridiculous extremes.

Do you really feel elite because you can own someone who is using a two-button mouse and a bad connection?

Combat macroes and addons are just crutches for the incompetent. You're not playing the game, your keyboard and mouse are.

Indeed so where do you draw the line oh mighty arbiter of what is allowed and what is not, what is 'extreme'? It is nothing to do with being elite it's your rediculous notion that every one should be limited to the lowest common denominator hardware and infrastructure. Macro's well thats a whole different debate and one that we are likely to agree on.  I do suggest saving your allowance up and spending $5 on a 5 button mouse though.

WTH is this? Sounds like a daycare center with all the crying. Most of you complain about GG but the only problem is, you will be crying in a month when theres spammers and bots running around and nothing to try to keep it down. Most of you who are worried about the root kit are usually downloading 3rd party programs or shit your not suppose to anyway. So cry more about Game Guard dont buy the damn game but all we constantly read is blah, blah, blah, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, lemme get a napkin imma tear up if I dont get my way. Figure it out.

This was probably pointed out before, but I didn't bother reading every post here, but the main problem with ANY program like GameGuard or Punkbuster or whatever, is that they only protect against whats known, same thing for virus scanners, and by time they update the found, something new has already been created. I.e. they're useless.

Originally posted by dips5286

WTH is this? Sounds like a daycare center with all the crying. Most of you complain about GG but the only problem is, you will be crying in a month when theres spammers and bots running around and nothing to try to keep it down. Most of you who are worried about the root kit are usually downloading 3rd party programs or shit your not suppose to anyway. So cry more about Game Guard dont buy the damn game but all we constantly read is blah, blah, blah, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, lemme get a napkin imma tear up if I dont get my way. Figure it out.

Easy version for you. There are bots and hacks even with GG. It is trivial for hackers to disable GG. It is completely ineffective at what it is meant to do. If you think otherwise you are frankly dillusional. All GG actually does is hurt legitamate users. GG is an egricious peice of software that is quite probably illegal in the US and the most of Europe. (my guess i that's why it has been disabled). It poses all sorts of security risks and 'breaks' all sorts of software and hardware. Whether you call it a rootkit or not is up to you but it runs in kernel mode and hooks into all sorts of processe it should not. If you are happy with that great. 

Nice job crying about the crying was the hissy fit above meant to be ironic too? I suspect not.

Originally posted by dips5286

WTH is this? Sounds like a daycare center with all the crying. Most of you complain about GG but the only problem is, you will be crying in a month when theres spammers and bots running around and nothing to try to keep it down. Most of you who are worried about the root kit are usually downloading 3rd party programs or shit your not suppose to anyway. So cry more about Game Guard dont buy the damn game but all we constantly read is blah, blah, blah, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, lemme get a napkin imma tear up if I dont get my way. Figure it out.

Thanks SO much for creating an account just to grace us all with  these choice words.

/sarcasm

Originally posted by Teran1987

This was probably pointed out before, but I didn't bother reading every post her...

Well, dunno about you but I stopped reading here.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by Delanor

 

No, there you are wrong. I plan on tryingout the game (buying)  as soon as they drop GameGuard. I have nothing against NCSoft or Aoin, it is just GameGuard that is a show stopper for me.

All I read is that they aren't "featuring Game Guard". Given the weasel words devs tend to use, that could well mean it will be installed but not activated.

It's pretty late in the day to be changing the disks going to retail.

As I said, as of two days ago, after the launch patch, it is not being installed.  The GG folder in the Aion folder remains but GGs registry entries and system files/driver are not installed. 

Going to have to agree, I am glad NCSoft dropped the GG. When I saw this in the CB, I wasn't to pleased.

Again, nice move on their part.

Originally posted by Skatty2007

Originally posted by DoomsDay01

Just remember, game guard isnt gone. Its actually still on your machine. They just temporarily patched it out. Personally I hope they keep it out as I couldn't use my amBX lighting system with it running but they may throw it back in at any time.

 

So are you saying if one buys the retail game, GameGuard is still in there but not being incorporated\interfaced with?

If that is the case, I retract my raised ale flaggon!  If it is out of the install alltogether, my raised flaggon of ale will still be raised.

One of the major reasons why I won't be trying out Aion is because of GameGuard and all of its rootkit-like attributes it has.

All that raising and unraising - better watch out, you might spill some.  And my flagon will be right under yours to catch the spillage.
 

Hey, you got to be as willing to call these guys on the good they do as the bad, they certainly do enough of each.  ;-)