Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by tvalentine

Originally posted by Munki

Originally posted by SoulSurfer

Originally posted by baff

Originally posted by Munki

I think people grossly underestimate sex.
I'm not one of those guys that says sex is EVERYTHING.
But it plays a huge part in being intimate. Anybody who begs to differ either hasn't been in a good relationship or is a bitter shell of a man whose been listening to too many stand up comics talk about marriage.

That being said, If you're for examples 22 now... you wouldn't be able to have sex till your 37.
thats your late 30's almost 40's.
So you're entering the dating scene as a 37 year old guy, with a 15 year (or maybe 37 year) dry spell.
Good luck.

 

Who cares! You will have enough money to do someting in your life.

To make a difference.

The ability to put something else above you own needs is something I greatly admire in a person.

 

No sex for 15 years, but your children and your grandchildren are set for life. What an easy choice.

 

Granted, you don't get erectile dysfunction, or start shooting blanks either. =P

What if a girl you met when you were 25 who was brilliant and smart, but didn't want to wait 13 years for you to get your 15 million dollars rather than settle down with her.

What if the child you raised with her went on to contribute far more than 15 million dollars ever could?
15 Million dollars is hardly "giving them the good life"
Giving them a happy family life is far FAR more important.
Not to mention that birthing children in your late 30's early 40's GREATLY increases the risk of complications in the child birth and early development.

What is the opportunity cost of that 15 million dollars? What would happen to that 15 million had you not won it? Would somebody else have got it; maybe it would have ended up doing good anyways without you.

I'm pretty sure anybody can make a difference in the world, with or without 15 million dollars.

 

if i could use the 15 million dollars and create a large corporation that is a major player in the world i would take the money. Not only would i get richer, but that gives me more money to give to the poor, people who have trouble getting a meal  a day. The choice here is truly helping yourself or helping others. I choose to help people where food and not sex is their main priority.

So wait.. let me get this straight. For 15 years you would let people starve and deprive yourself of sex in the hopes that one day you would be able to build a big company that feeds the poor?

let people starve? Where did i say that? I said i would help them, feed them. Make a difference. And i didnt specifiy what the company would do, it doesnt need to feed people it just has to make me money so i can donate it. Lol what are you readin?

 

First 10m is pocket change if you are trying to start a big coorporation.. and in 15 years you will only be that much more behind everyone else, unable to catch up.

10mil is alot better then a few hundred thousand. Lol i still dont see what you're trying to say. 10mil is a definite running start for anyone looking to start a business. You dont start big, you start from the ground up and work to get big.

Second, you do not need to deprive yourself of sex to help others, you can do both at the same  time starting now, no need to wait to do that. It is about what you choose to do, your ability to do it, and the methods you use, nothing else.

see above, if i could give a few million to a couple village in africa, i'm sure that amount would feed them for the rest of their lives. True i can help now, but only in small doses. If you wait to be productive in what you do so you can give plenty, you end up helping more people for a longer period of time.

Third, You could earn yourself 15 million in less time if you came up with a plan that works to do so, and implemented it. Whether or not you earn that money is soley up to your own abilities.  Why wait? start now, and have sex in the process. LOL

you completely missed the point of my post. You can do so much with 10mil, to make a difference, to help others. Chosing sex is just the selfish decision, TBH even if there was no plan of starting a corporation, i would take the money and donate half and make more of a difference in others peoples lives then you would have with sex.

 its kind of a moot point to discuss since every choice you're presented, you are going to find a way to get sex and get that prize in the second choice as well. You even talked about hormone levels and etc. you should know that some people dont "need" sex like you, or other people with large sex drives.

As I stated in this thread, sex drive is based on hormone levels, so there would be less or no challenge in this with someone who has low hormone levels.
 

But as to your statement about helping feed the homeless, This is something I am currently actively involved in, and tbh I hear people say ," they could, would, will.." but often never do, and I wonder, why are they always talking about doing something but yet never doing it?

You do not need to wait 15 years and for 10 million to do so,  or deprive yourself of sex to do this.  I am trying to figure out why you would basically attempt to use this as a reason why someone would be thinking about themselves rather than others if they chose to have sex and do everything they normally do, which often includes helping others ALREADY.

People should not feel guilty or bad about having sex, it is one of the great joys people are given on this earth, and there is no reason they should or would ever have to choose between having great sex and helping feed the poor. That is just silly. I was suggesting that is not a reason to not have sex,  when you can have both.  I know I very much enjoy having both.

Those that know me, know I have posted many times how they can help the organizations I work with,  the links and phone numbers to the food pantries, the organizations helping the hurricane victims, and many other ways and organizations they can help make this a better place for us all, and that I believe in having a healthy sex life. 

Who knows if we will even be here in 15 years, so I say live life in the moment,  prepare for the future, but do not rely on it. Just think, you could deprive yourself of sex for the rest of you life, and never get the money. I think people should appreciate what they have, and not count on the future, because it has not yet happened, and who knows what it holds. You could just  deprive yourself of sex and then the police confiscate all the money because the person making the bet obtained it illegally!

- Don't count your chickens before they hatch.

 honestly, most sexual activity is empty and base. 15 years to develop a relationship with a woman, before we made love, would be amazing. The sexual act has the potential to be one of t he most intimate and meaningful things two people can do. You just hav to go about it the right way.

Originally posted by duuuudeman

 honestly, most sexual activity is empty and base. 15 years to develop a relationship with a woman, before we made love, would be amazing. The sexual act has the potential to be one of t he most intimate and meaningful things two people can do. You just hav to go about it the right way.

LOL ... It would suck so bad to put 15 years into a relationship and THEN find out they were terrible in bed. Like so bad you just wanted them to stop.. and you try to get away but they just keep making it worse. LMAO
 

Great sex is when you can have it amazing every time, that does not have anything to do with waiting for it.

Originally posted by KingCarebear

Originally posted by DaX.9

Originally posted by mlauzon

 

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Originally posted by DaX.9
What? 15 years without sex! NO WAY! I will go insane and would everyone else. Sex is one of our primary instintcs, we can not just shut it down like a switch.

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I've never had sex, because I've never had a girlfreind, and I'm 33, so there's no sex for me; so it's possible to go 15 years without it as I am proof as I've gone my whole life without it.

 

You are kidding right?

No, I believe he is not kidding my son, now I suggest you leave your brother alone before I am forced to get nasty...

I am not your son, and question was not asked for you to answer, so do not interfere.
 

I would choose money. If I have lots of money I can buy anything I want and I'll do things that will take my mind off sex.

Originally posted by mappe

I would choose money. If I have lots of money I can buy anything I want and I'll do things that will take my mind off sex.

yah your right!! you can be busy in lots of things because of the pot prize and you will not think about that sex  lol

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by duuuudeman

 honestly, most sexual activity is empty and base. 15 years to develop a relationship with a woman, before we made love, would be amazing. The sexual act has the potential to be one of t he most intimate and meaningful things two people can do. You just hav to go about it the right way.

LOL ... It would suck so bad to put 15 years into a relationship and THEN find out they were terrible in bed. Like so bad you just wanted them to stop.. and you try to get away but they just keep making it worse. LMAO
 

Great sex is when you can have it amazing every time, that does not have anything to do with waiting for it.

Clearly, you've only experience sex in one way.

Originally posted by duuuudeman

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by duuuudeman

 honestly, most sexual activity is empty and base. 15 years to develop a relationship with a woman, before we made love, would be amazing. The sexual act has the potential to be one of t he most intimate and meaningful things two people can do. You just hav to go about it the right way.

LOL ... It would suck so bad to put 15 years into a relationship and THEN find out they were terrible in bed. Like so bad you just wanted them to stop.. and you try to get away but they just keep making it worse. LMAO
 

Great sex is when you can have it amazing every time, that does not have anything to do with waiting for it.

Clearly, you've only experience sex in one way.

LMAO... seriously .. I am laughing hard at that one.. You have no idea. CLearly your hormone levels are much lower than average if you think that you need to build them up and NEED the "waiting" ( which I consider torment) to make your sex better.

Some people have the same anticipation from waiting a week, as you would have from waiting 15 years. 

Oh yes, it makes sex MUCH better to build up  your expectations to the point they could never be humanly possible little lone met by a human only to be disapointed when it turns out  your partner, who also must have a low sex drive to wait that long is only human and cannot fufill your fantasies as you had  so perfectly planned them in your head. / sarcasm off

Sex is about give and take and while you may have one idea of what perfect sex is, your partners idea of perfect sex may be the exact opposite.

You should get a lil bit more expierance in this department .. further your research before you try and tell people they are limited.

so the deal is that i get money in 15 years if abstain from sex? No, no thank you.

my luck would be that i got struck dead by meteorite on the last day.

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by duuuudeman

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by duuuudeman

 honestly, most sexual activity is empty and base. 15 years to develop a relationship with a woman, before we made love, would be amazing. The sexual act has the potential to be one of t he most intimate and meaningful things two people can do. You just hav to go about it the right way.

LOL ... It would suck so bad to put 15 years into a relationship and THEN find out they were terrible in bed. Like so bad you just wanted them to stop.. and you try to get away but they just keep making it worse. LMAO
 

Great sex is when you can have it amazing every time, that does not have anything to do with waiting for it.

Clearly, you've only experience sex in one way.

 

LMAO... seriously .. I am laughing hard at that one.. You have no idea. CLearly your hormone levels are much lower than average if you think that you need to build them up and NEED the "waiting" ( which I consider torment) to make your sex better.

Some people have the same anticipation from waiting a week, as you would have from waiting 15 years. 

Oh yes, it makes sex MUCH better to build up  your expectations to the point they could never be humanly possible little lone met by a human only to be disapointed when it turns out  your parter, who also must have a low sex drive to wait that long is only human and cannot fufill your fantasies as you had  so perfectly planned them in your head. / sarcasm off

Sex is about give and take and while you may have one idea of what perfect sex is, your partners idea of perfect sex may be the exact opposite.

You should get a lil bit more expierance in this department .. further your research before you try and tell people they are limited.

 

you're thinking of sex from a physical standpoint. From that stand point, yes, what I'm saying is laughable. There is a whole other dimension of sex though: The reunion of two halves to participate in the act of creation. To be honest, 15 years is a long time. I was just stating that there's another side of this act that can be achieved by taking a little time to meditate on you relationship and your appreciation for you partner, before hopping into bed with them.

Sex that your describing seems to be about what I would get from it. I'd be let down by my partner, because she was not fulfilling my desires. What if I loved her so much, that the sex wasn't about me?

Everything in this world is a tool. It can be used shallowly or profoundly, for good or for bad.

10,000,000  thank you.  After 15 years you'd be even richer with interest.  Then all the money grubbing beeotches would be throwing themselves at  you due to the money.  

Originally posted by duuuudeman

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by duuuudeman

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by duuuudeman

 honestly, most sexual activity is empty and base. 15 years to develop a relationship with a woman, before we made love, would be amazing. The sexual act has the potential to be one of t he most intimate and meaningful things two people can do. You just hav to go about it the right way.

LOL ... It would suck so bad to put 15 years into a relationship and THEN find out they were terrible in bed. Like so bad you just wanted them to stop.. and you try to get away but they just keep making it worse. LMAO
 

Great sex is when you can have it amazing every time, that does not have anything to do with waiting for it.

Clearly, you've only experience sex in one way.

 

LMAO... seriously .. I am laughing hard at that one.. You have no idea. CLearly your hormone levels are much lower than average if you think that you need to build them up and NEED the "waiting" ( which I consider torment) to make your sex better.

Some people have the same anticipation from waiting a week, as you would have from waiting 15 years. 

Oh yes, it makes sex MUCH better to build up  your expectations to the point they could never be humanly possible little lone met by a human only to be disapointed when it turns out  your parter, who also must have a low sex drive to wait that long is only human and cannot fufill your fantasies as you had  so perfectly planned them in your head. / sarcasm off

Sex is about give and take and while you may have one idea of what perfect sex is, your partners idea of perfect sex may be the exact opposite.

You should get a lil bit more expierance in this department .. further your research before you try and tell people they are limited.

 

you're thinking of sex from a physical standpoint. From that stand point, yes, what I'm saying is laughable. There is a whole other dimension of sex though: The reunion of two halves to participate in the act of creation. To be honest, 15 years is a long time. I was just stating that there's another side of this act that can be achieved by taking a little time to meditate on you relationship and your appreciation for you partner, before hopping into bed with them.

Sex that your describing seems to be about what I would get from it. I'd be let down by my partner, because she was not fulfilling my desires. What if I loved her so much, that the sex wasn't about me?

Everything in this world is a tool. It can be used shallowly or profoundly, for good or for bad.

 

Sex is more than just a physical need, it IS intimate, and a bonding spiritual expierance. I am not looking at it just from the physical standpoint.
 

You can have that expierance without the long waiting period, it completely depends on you and the person you are with. And yes, in the Give and take from it is being concerned about your own pleasure as well as your partners. You must understand that in order to reach " great sex" you must be able to accomplish all at the same time, thus why it cannot be bought, or expected.

You love her so much yes, and then you try to make it about her, but then what if what pleasures her, is you being pleasured, and intensly aroused during sex? To have great passionate sex, it takes BOTH parties being equally excited and involved. Not one person pleasuring the other, and one person receiving, it goes both ways for both to reach mutal max climax simultaneously, and repeatedly.

You see many think that the simultaneous Orgasm is not possible because they themselves never expierance it, but this is simply not true, people do, and can repeatedly do so. It completely depends on both partners being in sync on multiple levels. Many just accept it when a woman fakes it rather than try to have the real thing, but anyone who has expieranced an actual will will be able to tell the difference immediately. Which I consider that " mediocre in comparison"

Would it be more profound to wait and then to be fumbling and awkward? or more profound to be completely in sync on spiritual, physical, and emotional levels? The wait period has nothing to do with that .. it is Chemistry.

Originally posted by DaX.9

Originally posted by KingCarebear

Originally posted by DaX.9

Originally posted by mlauzon

 

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Originally posted by DaX.9
What? 15 years without sex! NO WAY! I will go insane and would everyone else. Sex is one of our primary instintcs, we can not just shut it down like a switch.

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I've never had sex, because I've never had a girlfreind, and I'm 33, so there's no sex for me; so it's possible to go 15 years without it as I am proof as I've gone my whole life without it.

 

You are kidding right?

No, I believe he is not kidding my son, now I suggest you leave your brother alone before I am forced to get nasty...

I am not your son, and question was not asked for you to answer, so do not interfere.
 

Young man, I suggest you lower yer tone before I haf ta lower it for ya. We don't want no trouble in this thread here now so I reckon you best be on yer way right now before things get out of hand. Go on now boy...git...I say GIT!!!  

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by duuuudeman

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by duuuudeman

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by duuuudeman

 honestly, most sexual activity is empty and base. 15 years to develop a relationship with a woman, before we made love, would be amazing. The sexual act has the potential to be one of t he most intimate and meaningful things two people can do. You just hav to go about it the right way.

LOL ... It would suck so bad to put 15 years into a relationship and THEN find out they were terrible in bed. Like so bad you just wanted them to stop.. and you try to get away but they just keep making it worse. LMAO
 

Great sex is when you can have it amazing every time, that does not have anything to do with waiting for it.

Clearly, you've only experience sex in one way.

 

LMAO... seriously .. I am laughing hard at that one.. You have no idea. CLearly your hormone levels are much lower than average if you think that you need to build them up and NEED the "waiting" ( which I consider torment) to make your sex better.

Some people have the same anticipation from waiting a week, as you would have from waiting 15 years. 

Oh yes, it makes sex MUCH better to build up  your expectations to the point they could never be humanly possible little lone met by a human only to be disapointed when it turns out  your parter, who also must have a low sex drive to wait that long is only human and cannot fufill your fantasies as you had  so perfectly planned them in your head. / sarcasm off

Sex is about give and take and while you may have one idea of what perfect sex is, your partners idea of perfect sex may be the exact opposite.

You should get a lil bit more expierance in this department .. further your research before you try and tell people they are limited.

 

you're thinking of sex from a physical standpoint. From that stand point, yes, what I'm saying is laughable. There is a whole other dimension of sex though: The reunion of two halves to participate in the act of creation. To be honest, 15 years is a long time. I was just stating that there's another side of this act that can be achieved by taking a little time to meditate on you relationship and your appreciation for you partner, before hopping into bed with them.

Sex that your describing seems to be about what I would get from it. I'd be let down by my partner, because she was not fulfilling my desires. What if I loved her so much, that the sex wasn't about me?

Everything in this world is a tool. It can be used shallowly or profoundly, for good or for bad.

 

Sex is more than just a physical need, it IS intimate, and a bonding spiritual expierance. I am not looking at it just from the physical standpoint.
 

You can have that expierance without the long waiting period, it completely depends on you and the person you are with. And yes, in the Give and take from it is being concerned about your own pleasure as well as your partners. You must understand that in order to reach " great sex" you must be able to accomplish all at the same time, thus why it cannot be bought, or expected.

You love her so much yes, and then you try to make it about her, but then what if what pleasures her, is you being pleasured, and intensly aroused during sex? To have great passionate sex, it takes BOTH parties being equally excited and involved. Not one person pleasuring the other, and one person receiving, it goes both ways for both to reach mutal max climax simultaneously, and repeatedly.

You see many think that the simultaneous Orgasm is not possible because they themselves never expierance it, but this is simply not true, people do, and can repeatedly do so. It completely depends on both partners being in sync on multiple levels. Many just accept it when a woman fakes it rather than try to have the real thing, but anyone who has expieranced an actual will will be able to tell the difference immediately. Which I consider that " mediocre in comparison"

Would it be more profound to wait and then to be fumbling and awkward? or more profound to be completely in sync on spiritual, physical, and emotional levels? The wait period has nothing to do with that .. it is Chemistry.

Like I said, 15 years is a LONG time. and yes, I agree with you that both parties should receive pleasure, but for that to really happen, they have to be concentrating on one another's needs. That's what I was trying to say before. I do maintain,  however, that taking the time to truly love and appreciate the person inside the sweaty body, will invariably make for a passionate, spiritually connected sex life, and a rock solid relationship with longevity.

If I fall in love with a body, or with looks, then what do I have when both have diminished? If I fall in love with the person them self, because I respect and love their essence, and because we share the same goals in life, then physical traits become extraneous, and our relationship will endure long after those things have gone away.

I don't really think we're disagreeing all that much. This happens to me a lot on forums, where I'll argue with someone, only to find that we're pretty much saying the same thing, in different ways.

 

EDIT: The truth is, it was my fault for mentioning 15 years... This would be a really long time to wait. But I could still see it working out very well, for both parties. Things wouldn't be awkward anymore, by that time, in my opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

@ Topic

Money  - coz with money I can also have the next option.

Originally posted by KingCarebear

Originally posted by DaX.9

Originally posted by KingCarebear

Originally posted by DaX.9

Originally posted by mlauzon

 

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Originally posted by DaX.9
What? 15 years without sex! NO WAY! I will go insane and would everyone else. Sex is one of our primary instintcs, we can not just shut it down like a switch.

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I've never had sex, because I've never had a girlfreind, and I'm 33, so there's no sex for me; so it's possible to go 15 years without it as I am proof as I've gone my whole life without it.

 

You are kidding right?

No, I believe he is not kidding my son, now I suggest you leave your brother alone before I am forced to get nasty...

I am not your son, and question was not asked for you to answer, so do not interfere.
 

Young man, I suggest you lower yer tone before I haf ta lower it for ya. We don't want no trouble in this thread here now so I reckon you best be on yer way right now before things get out of hand. Go on now boy...git...I say GIT!!!  

 

"haf ta lower it for ya", sorry do not understand cave language. And if you do not want trouble then do not attack or intefere if not first spoken to.

"Go on boy...git...I say GIT!!!" this is sentence you can say to your parents who tought you how to behave.

What is love
Baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

What is love
Yeah

Oh, I don't know why you're not there
I give you my love, but you don't care
So what is right and what is wrong
Gimme a sign

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

Oh, I don't know, what can I do
What else can I say, it's up to you
I know we're one, just me and you
I can't go on

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh
What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

I want no other, no other lover
This is our life, our time
When we are together, I need you forever
Is it love

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Yeah

Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

What is love?
 

Originally posted by Scalebane

What is love
Baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

What is love
Yeah

Oh, I don't know why you're not there
I give you my love, but you don't care
So what is right and what is wrong
Gimme a sign

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

Oh, I don't know, what can I do
What else can I say, it's up to you
I know we're one, just me and you
I can't go on

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh
What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

I want no other, no other lover
This is our life, our time
When we are together, I need you forever
Is it love

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Yeah

Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

What is love?
 

 

 

Do you really listen to this stuff?
 

Originally posted by deviliscious

Originally posted by Scalebane

What is love
Baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
Baby don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

What is love
Yeah

Oh, I don't know why you're not there
I give you my love, but you don't care
So what is right and what is wrong
Gimme a sign

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

Oh, I don't know, what can I do
What else can I say, it's up to you
I know we're one, just me and you
I can't go on

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh
What is love, oooh, oooh, oooh

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

I want no other, no other lover
This is our life, our time
When we are together, I need you forever
Is it love

What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more
What is love
baby, don't hurt me
Don't hurt me no more

Yeah

Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh
Whoa whoa whoa, oooh oooh

What is love?
 

 

 

Do you really listen to this stuff?
 

I listen to everything...mostly GOA Trance right now =)

EDIT: nvm, why get into such a stupid debate in a silly thread. I cant help but feel you are just sparking debate to defend your choice to convince yourself not to feel bad. TBH you shouldnt feel bad for chosing sex unless your forum user name is tvalentine.