there will be as much cheating as when gameguard was present.  I still don't understand how people ever thought gameguard was security in any form at all. 

This is very good news for the game.  I know a ton of people that were not going to be playing because of Game Guard.

I personally never had an issue with the software but I know this will increase player happiness and most likely provide a boost in sales as well.

Originally posted by EricDanie

 Umm... it's nice that they are currently removing GG and all... it's also a fact it doesn't guards much and beta feedback was massively towards either making it decent or removing it, but what do they have now for cheat detection and prevention? A GM taskforce spread over 24 servers?

Well, GG doesn't really work anyway from what I have googled on it. Looks like it can be easily bypassed if you want to cheat. Personally I'm more worried about my own system being compromised by GG then I am about people cheating. I don't want to give up my security for theirs. They need another solution more in the lines of what other games do IMO.

Never had issues myself, but expect to see preorder and sale numbers head further up.  I just wish they'd find a different security fix than GG.  This may lead to that, if GG can't get their act together and they can find another provider.  Holding my breath over here.

Dear god, the servers will be plagued by bots -.-.

Best decision they could make for the NA release.  Now if they can get some solid GM's and a team to monitor the servers they could keep it clean without causing frustration to legit players.

Originally posted by Icemasta

Dear god, the servers will be plagued by bots -.-.

lol game guard never prevented this in the first place, its a joke. my friend was one of the ones having trouble with GG so he just disabled it, some one else said google it, its easy to bypass. he just had to put something in its folder to turn it off.

Originally posted by abyss610

Originally posted by Icemasta

Dear god, the servers will be plagued by bots -.-.

 

lol game guard never prevented this in the first place, its a joke. my friend was one of the ones having trouble with GG so he just disabled it, some one else said google it, its easy to bypass. he just had to put something in its folder to turn it off.

Depends on the version I guess, some version will do a file check before each launch (that's when GG shows up top left corner and checks it's file for a few seconds). When it does that, it will redownload itself if any alteration were made and auto-launch, so the "bypass" which is really changing the gameguard.exe with a dummy .exe, fails.

Also, I've had experience with gameguard, it's main purpose is tp stop the script kiddies and noobs from using or making bots. Making a bot is ridiculously simple, but goign through gameguard is a whole other story (when it's working anyway). So please, before saying Gameguard is useless, learn what it does before, you are only spreading misinformation.

Originally posted by Shiymmas

Never had issues myself, but expect to see preorder and sale numbers head further up.  I just wish they'd find a different security fix than GG.  This may lead to that, if GG can't get their act together and they can find another provider.  Holding my breath over here.

Dont really think this is going to have any effect on sales numbers.

Originally posted by Icemasta

Also, I've had experience with gameguard, it's main purpose is tp stop the script kiddies and noobs from using or making bots. Making a bot is ridiculously simple, but goign through gameguard is a whole other story (when it's working anyway). So please, before saying Gameguard is useless, learn what it does before, you are only spreading misinformation.

Which is pretty much what every MMO's version of security is meant to do, right?  No matter what, there is always a way to get something like this working, but the goal is to make it so difficult that everyone and their grandmother cant do it.

well fuckbuckets.

so how do I go about removing gameguard from my computer now?

http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/pc/articles/1709.aspx

Originally posted by Zoobi

http://www.brighthub.com/video-games/pc/articles/1709.aspx

Thanks a bunch :D

only 8 characters between all servers? o_O

that means we'll be having to purchase extra char slots i'm guessing...

Limits suck but I would think 8 would be enough for awhile. Although I have found that after a couple years you may meet someone at work who plays on a different server and need more slots then that eventually. I still have my 10 year old EQ characters and restarted on many servers over the years with different people. Probably got 15-20 characters that I leveled over the years over 3 servers.

Originally posted by Scalebane

Originally posted by Kaocan

Does this mean everyone who said they wouldn't be playing because of GG will now be?

 

Probably not since they are still saying they will put it back in later.

They said they might put it back in. But remember, they took it out cause it's causing more trouble than it's worth, so I really don't see them putting it back untill it's been "fixed". Afterall, what's the point of taking something out if you're going to put the same thing back in later? illogical.

 That's too much wishful thinking on you part. Do you think they'll just leave the game totally unprotected, even if this protection was sub par?

Originally posted by nightbird305

Originally posted by Scalebane

Originally posted by Kaocan

Does this mean everyone who said they wouldn't be playing because of GG will now be?

 

Probably not since they are still saying they will put it back in later.

 

They said they might put it back in. But remember, they took it out cause it's causing more trouble than it's worth, so I really don't see them putting it back untill it's been "fixed". Afterall, what's the point of taking something out if you're going to put the same thing back in later? illogical.

Not illogical. Box sales at launch. I and others have already said we would try it if GG wasn't in.

Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

Originally posted by nightbird305

Originally posted by Scalebane

Originally posted by Kaocan

Does this mean everyone who said they wouldn't be playing because of GG will now be?

 

Probably not since they are still saying they will put it back in later.

 

They said they might put it back in. But remember, they took it out cause it's causing more trouble than it's worth, so I really don't see them putting it back untill it's been "fixed". Afterall, what's the point of taking something out if you're going to put the same thing back in later? illogical.

Not illogical. Box sales at launch. I and others have already said we would try it if GG wasn't in.

So they would rather put the same GameGuard back in and loose subscribers? 

See where I'm getting at? Box money is temp money, month sub is a steady income, would you not want both?

With Gameguard temporarily disabled now even the folks with really bad computers can play.  It's not because game guard was bad, it was because there are so many kids out there that have no idea how to put together or maintain a good computing system.

There's probably a more sinister reason for it though.  So they can weed out the hackers from the start of the game, lol.