Originally posted by LtJohnnyRico

Originally posted by abyss610

my understanding is its guildwars in an open world, that alone has people hyped.guild wars is a good game, its downfall is there is no open world, gw2 fixes this.

 

Exactly. The only qualm I ever had with GW was that it was linear and heavily instanced. I refuse to play a game that calls itself a MMO but is anything but. GW2 will hopefully fix that as they have said they will and I will definitely give it a try. Right now, I am excited for it.

You, sir, need to educate yourself on what you speak of before you speak.

Arena Net, the makers of Guild Wars, have never called Guild Wars an MMORPG. They, in fact, dont even use MMO and openly said they are not an MMO.

I loled about the whole PvP thing.

Its not Build Wars in the upper levels of PvP. Not even close.

Originally posted by ShadowVax

I guess so. Open world HAS been done before though. There for, once again in my opinion, doesn't justify its current rating. Maybe once some in game footage has been released it will prove deserving of its hype. Until then, lots of games have nice concept art, and I can't begin to tell you how many dragons I've killed.

For me I am hyped about this MMO because for

1) Its a quality buy to play. Buy it and no monthly fee. This will make a great "When I'm bored" MMO for me and my wife when we need a break from our main MMO.

2) I am an open world fan and we still don't have many of those.

3) The event system sounds great.

4) It's Guild Wars but more of an MMORPG than the first.

I could lists a lot of reasons about why I am looking forward to GW2. I really don't care about the ingame footage as that isn't what hypes me. Graphics are good and all but not the make or break for me. Hell I played UO for 12 years lol. What matters most is fun factor and any game looks like a ton of fun when you look at the videos, few are ever as much fun as they look on the videos. The reason being is the events taking place have been scripted and or the video has been edited to remove the borring parts and make it look action packed. I mean did you see any in game footage from the FFXI beta showing the whole party wipe and a person or two deleveling?

So you can wait for your ingame footage to decide if your hyped or not, me I will base my hype on the mechanics behind the game and the info I know about the game. I mean in the end it doesn't really matter. 40-50 bucks gets you the game and a lifetime sub, for an MMO thats a steal even if the MMO isn't meh at best.

I'm hyped about GW2 because it sounds like it will be one of the greatest fall back MMO's around. Might even be main worthy.

Because they are pro's. The first game GW's started with some weekend beta's that went very smooth, lauch was butter. Their update/patching system was/is tits. They keep their install folders clean, little things that I as a fellow dev look at with respect. Their game was great and was their first effort. To think 4 years or so later they have their 2nd effort coming out and to see what they improved is very exciting. This is one of a very few devs I have major faith in quality. In fact I rate them at the top because of GW's execution from day 1 to now.
 

I think the Hype comes from what you are talkign about plenty of us like GWs but hated it at the same time, it wasnt a MMO. GW2 I think is getting attention because we have the impresion any way that GW2 will be a reall MMO i.e. open world, more personal charcater development and longer I hope (20 levels is to small by far), etc. Having said that we have very little proff as to what GW2 will be but by looking at GW1 I can see the skill and talent of the developer and assuming the build a game that is mechanicaly what I want it will be a good fit for me at any rate it will be a good *game*, GW is a good game not an MMO imo but never the less good.

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Originally posted by LodenDSG

I think the Hype comes from what you are talkign about plenty of us like GWs but hated it at the same time, it wasnt a MMO. GW2 I think is getting attention because we have the impresion any way that GW2 will be a reall MMO i.e. open world, more personal charcater development and longer I hope (20 levels is to small by far), etc. Having said that we have very little proff as to what GW2 will be but by looking at GW1 I can see the skill and talent of the developer and assuming the build a game that is mechanicaly what I want it will be a good fit for me at any rate it will be a good *game*, GW is a good game not an MMO imo but never the less good.

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I have to say I'm disappointed by the prospect of a higher level cap in GW2, the great thing in GW was that lvl 20 was easy to reach, the majority of the game was 'end game', it gave everyone a chance to catch up and made grouping easier, no need for any mentor system when everyone is the same level.

Originally posted by EvilGeek

 

 

I have to say I'm disappointed by the prospect of a higher level cap in GW2, the great thing in GW was that lvl 20 was easy to reach, the majority of the game was 'end game', it gave everyone a chance to catch up and made grouping easier, no need for any mentor system when everyone is the same level.

 

This is probably my biggest trepidation of the game. One of the best parts of GW was the low level cap. While it hasn't been said for sure that they will raise it all signs (comments from ANet for example) point to the level cap being raised. I'm just going to wait and see for more information about it but it is the one aspect in which I have the most doubts.

Why dont you make a PvP character if you want max level so badly. Level 20 was boring.

Originally posted by SweetZoid

Why dont you make a PvP character if you want max level so badly. Level 20 was boring.

GW was about leveling right?

Not every game has to have a level grind. One of the biggest balance problems in mmos is created by levels. My preference would be to have no levels whatsoever. Make a different power progression or character progression period. levels harken back to the pen and paper D&D days, you'd think people would have been more creative than to keep this grinding system in video games for so long.

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Originally posted by SweetZoid

Why dont you make a PvP character if you want max level so badly. Level 20 was boring.

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I'm not a PvP player although GW's PvP has still provided me with many an hour of enjoyment :)

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Originally posted by arenasb
GW was about leveling right?
Not every game has to have a level grind. One of the biggest balance problems in mmos is created by levels. My preference would be to have no levels whatsoever. Make a different power progression or character progression period. levels harken back to the pen and paper D&D days, you'd think people would have been more creative than to keep this grinding system in video games for so long.

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Couldn't agree more, GW to me was/is HM runs at Urgoz, FoW, UW, The Deep etc, while leveling was fun the majority of the game is all on an even playing field.

I'm hoping that when they say 'it may not even have a level cap' they do mean something innovative with the progression system, though talk of mentoring means we will have levels.

It is one of the areas that worries me about GW2, played GW solidly for over 3 years, I have high expectations and want it to be a true 'next gen' game, a low level cap in GW makes this sound a step backward.
 

I think we should at least wait until someone has some beta feedback to relate to us before we make any assumptions that it's going to be awesome, or more crap.

I'm hoping it will be great, but I temper that with my expeirences with AoC and WAR, two games that I personally found fell flat.

Originally posted by EvilGeek

 

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Originally posted by SweetZoid

 

Why dont you make a PvP character if you want max level so badly. Level 20 was boring.

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I'm not a PvP player although GW's PvP has still provided me with many an hour of enjoyment :)

 

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Originally posted by arenasb
GW was about leveling right?
Not every game has to have a level grind. One of the biggest balance problems in mmos is created by levels. My preference would be to have no levels whatsoever. Make a different power progression or character progression period. levels harken back to the pen and paper D&D days, you'd think people would have been more creative than to keep this grinding system in video games for so long.

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Couldn't agree more, GW to me was/is HM runs at Urgoz, FoW, UW, The Deep etc, while leveling was fun the majority of the game is all on an even playing field.

I'm hoping that when they say 'it may not even have a level cap' they do mean something innovative with the progression system, though talk of mentoring means we will have levels.

It is one of the areas that worries me about GW2, played GW solidly for over 3 years, I have high expectations and want it to be a true 'next gen' game, a low level cap in GW makes this sound a step backward.
 

People said they wanted a higher level cap sooooo they're giving it to them, you can't really blame them for trying to give people what they want. Although in my view someone should start putting up polls when people start clamouring on the forums for something.

If there's anything they shouldn't remove from GW its the cutscenes, those made me feel rewarded and satisfied after a completing a series of quests.

From what i've read/seen Guildwars 2 will be awesome better than most if not all Game MMO's to date. People who play other type will obviously bash it out of fear it'll be better than there generic P2P crap.

From what i've read levels will mean squat in game sure you'll be level 156 or 1056 but its all based on time played levels are meaningless there. you play enjoy and level up. Its always been that way in guildwars even the first one most people at end game would have been level 150 if it didn't cap at 20, exp still kept going and the level line still dinged but after 20 you just had skills and stats and everyone was equal, which was awesome.

I can understand WoW players not understanding Guildwars though, Wow is like Snakes and Ladders - you must get to the end through trial and error. Guildwars is a lot more complicated its more like Chess - you progress through the game getting the right builds/skills to go up against your opponents. asking a snakes and ladders person to play chess is very hard for them.

I'm pretty sure GW2 will be a new definition in gaming when its released.

P.s. I do hope the new changes don't ruin GW2 and turn it into a generic WoW clone.. but if i have any faith in a game manufacturer its Arenanet..

20 bucks the op isn't playing Aion anymore.  Any takers?

On a serious note, it's obvious why this game has the hype it has.

Cool videos, good history, and a chance to be great.  I hyped it a 10 which I think it rightfully deserves.

Time will tell if the game lives up to the hype. 

 First of all GW was absolutely incredible, best pve and pvp imo in any MMO ever. The story, the atmosphere, not to mention the graphics are still good and can run on any computer.  I will say that Prophecies was just amazing while the expansions really just cluttered the game quite a bit (thought still fun). Of course people are hyped, GW for me was my first MMO besides Diablo 2 and I (with my friends) led a top 100 guild (we were number 1 for 3 days after a ladder reset lol) and we never had more fun than beating a couple of the top guilds in the world (albeit they were trying new builds and we were running a simple rainbow spike with a few altercations of our own).

I'm getting off track, people want to feel that feeling again and that's what GW2 has promise of, with great new improvements. The feeling of playing with this close group of people, working hard, dreaming up new builds, needing to have a knowledge of the game and having it pay off against the best of the best was euphoric and I've never felt that with wow or anything else (especially Aion, what a letdown btw). Can't you remember the excitement of GvG's? Then watching the ones you were proud of on "TV"?

ALSO, you people who are saying GW wasn't an MMO? What? ...What does MMO stand for again? Were there a bunch of people and was it online? Anyways, this was a complete rant, sorry and I can't wait for GW2 :)

Originally posted by spidii

 First of all GW was absolutely incredible, best pve and pvp imo in any MMO ever. The story, the atmosphere, not to mention the graphics are still good and can run on any computer.  I will say that Prophecies was just amazing while the expansions really just cluttered the game quite a bit (thought still fun). Of course people are hyped, GW for me was my first MMO besides Diablo 2 and I (with my friends) led a top 100 guild (we were number 1 for 3 days after a ladder reset lol) and we never had more fun than beating a couple of the top guilds in the world (albeit they were trying new builds and we were running a simple rainbow spike with a few altercations of our own).

I'm getting off track, people want to feel that feeling again and that's what GW2 has promise of, with great new improvements. The feeling of playing with this close group of people, working hard, dreaming up new builds, needing to have a knowledge of the game and having it pay off against the best of the best was euphoric and I've never felt that with wow or anything else (especially Aion, what a letdown btw). Can't you remember the excitement of GvG's? Then watching the ones you were proud of on "TV"?

ALSO, you people who are saying GW wasn't an MMO? What? ...What does MMO stand for again? Were there a bunch of people and was it online? Anyways, this was a complete rant, sorry and I can't wait for GW2 :)

Guild Wars is a Coorpg,ArenaNet themselves have said that. Coorpg = Competive online roleplaying game

Originally posted by SweetZoid

Originally posted by spidii

 First of all GW was absolutely incredible, best pve and pvp imo in any MMO ever. The story, the atmosphere, not to mention the graphics are still good and can run on any computer.  I will say that Prophecies was just amazing while the expansions really just cluttered the game quite a bit (thought still fun). Of course people are hyped, GW for me was my first MMO besides Diablo 2 and I (with my friends) led a top 100 guild (we were number 1 for 3 days after a ladder reset lol) and we never had more fun than beating a couple of the top guilds in the world (albeit they were trying new builds and we were running a simple rainbow spike with a few altercations of our own).

I'm getting off track, people want to feel that feeling again and that's what GW2 has promise of, with great new improvements. The feeling of playing with this close group of people, working hard, dreaming up new builds, needing to have a knowledge of the game and having it pay off against the best of the best was euphoric and I've never felt that with wow or anything else (especially Aion, what a letdown btw). Can't you remember the excitement of GvG's? Then watching the ones you were proud of on "TV"?

ALSO, you people who are saying GW wasn't an MMO? What? ...What does MMO stand for again? Were there a bunch of people and was it online? Anyways, this was a complete rant, sorry and I can't wait for GW2 :)

 

Guild Wars is a Coorpg,ArenaNet themselves have said that. Coorpg = Competive online roleplaying game

That's all fine and good, but what does MMO stand for again?

Originally posted by spidii

Originally posted by SweetZoid

Originally posted by spidii

 First of all GW was absolutely incredible, best pve and pvp imo in any MMO ever. The story, the atmosphere, not to mention the graphics are still good and can run on any computer.  I will say that Prophecies was just amazing while the expansions really just cluttered the game quite a bit (thought still fun). Of course people are hyped, GW for me was my first MMO besides Diablo 2 and I (with my friends) led a top 100 guild (we were number 1 for 3 days after a ladder reset lol) and we never had more fun than beating a couple of the top guilds in the world (albeit they were trying new builds and we were running a simple rainbow spike with a few altercations of our own).

I'm getting off track, people want to feel that feeling again and that's what GW2 has promise of, with great new improvements. The feeling of playing with this close group of people, working hard, dreaming up new builds, needing to have a knowledge of the game and having it pay off against the best of the best was euphoric and I've never felt that with wow or anything else (especially Aion, what a letdown btw). Can't you remember the excitement of GvG's? Then watching the ones you were proud of on "TV"?

ALSO, you people who are saying GW wasn't an MMO? What? ...What does MMO stand for again? Were there a bunch of people and was it online? Anyways, this was a complete rant, sorry and I can't wait for GW2 :)

 

Guild Wars is a Coorpg,ArenaNet themselves have said that. Coorpg = Competive online roleplaying game

That's all fine and good, but what does MMO stand for again?

MMORPG stands for Massive multiplayer online roleplaying game

Originally posted by spidii

Originally posted by SweetZoid

Originally posted by spidii

 First of all GW was absolutely incredible, best pve and pvp imo in any MMO ever. The story, the atmosphere, not to mention the graphics are still good and can run on any computer.  I will say that Prophecies was just amazing while the expansions really just cluttered the game quite a bit (thought still fun). Of course people are hyped, GW for me was my first MMO besides Diablo 2 and I (with my friends) led a top 100 guild (we were number 1 for 3 days after a ladder reset lol) and we never had more fun than beating a couple of the top guilds in the world (albeit they were trying new builds and we were running a simple rainbow spike with a few altercations of our own).

I'm getting off track, people want to feel that feeling again and that's what GW2 has promise of, with great new improvements. The feeling of playing with this close group of people, working hard, dreaming up new builds, needing to have a knowledge of the game and having it pay off against the best of the best was euphoric and I've never felt that with wow or anything else (especially Aion, what a letdown btw). Can't you remember the excitement of GvG's? Then watching the ones you were proud of on "TV"?

ALSO, you people who are saying GW wasn't an MMO? What? ...What does MMO stand for again? Were there a bunch of people and was it online? Anyways, this was a complete rant, sorry and I can't wait for GW2 :)

 

Guild Wars is a Coorpg,ArenaNet themselves have said that. Coorpg = Competive online roleplaying game

That's all fine and good, but what does MMO stand for again?

A MMORPG is a game were the players can fight together in a persistant world.

GW this wasnt the case. the only area close to persistant was the towns, which had no combat/nor weapons.

GW is a CoRPG, because it lack persistant combat. Just like Diablo, its nothing but a Single Player RPG with Mutiplayer options. The towns were just a 3d Chat room.

If Diablo had a 3D Avater Chat room, would that make it a MMO? I dont think so.

LoL you guys don't get what an MMO is, you are argueing semantics. Is guild wars Massive? Yes. Is guild wars Multiplayer? Yes. Is guild wars online? Yes. Therefore we can deduct that guild wars is an MMO. Is guild wars a role playing game? Yes. Is guild wars listed on MMORPG.com? Yes. So is guild wars an MMORPG? You should know the answer by now.

Do I realize how stupid this arguement is? Yes.