nha its not that complicated 

wow just need to have a veteran server 

like no compass 

no coordinate 

no add-on

no map 

no spoon feeding basicly 

thats what wow miss a vereran server 

i probably forget some info but you guys get the idea if you played everquest

yes wow way is good but one your finished ,it doesnt cut it 

they should still have implemented one server for veteran

and only avail if you went to we ll say ulduar and finished it 

why! keep the noob out ,im sorry but most veteran are fairly happy with wow 

only those small thing i mention would add a bit of fun and remove the junk speach of world chat 

or at least diminish it

hell i wish all game had veteran server

Originally posted by mmaize

Originally posted by Daffid011

Wow may not have the most ideal pvp system for every dedicated pvp players dream but it is one of the best pvp systems on the market.  It has more options than most games, including some of the pvp ones.  It also balances very well for a pve game and is very well designed. 

 

Buzzzzzz!  Fail. Get nuts and try again. 

Um no in fact some older games come to mind like...oh...i dunno....DAoC maybe?

Daoc has good pvp also and is the one game I had in mind when I made the comment that wow has SOME of the best pvp on the market.  I didn't say THE best.  As far as pvp goes, wow pvp is very well done and it does offer a great deal of variety of activities.  Combine that with some of the best pve elements in mmos and that makes it a clear winner.

Lets face it, wow is pve game first and it attracts more people with its pvp than the so called pvp games. 

Daoc is still a mythic game and I've been through their idea of how to balance a game twice now.  Their games could be a lot better than what they are.  Truthfully I didn't find either of them that great, because mythic doesn't seem to know what they are doing and screw up more than they get right. 

Originally posted by Daffid011

Wow may not have the most ideal pvp system for every dedicated pvp players dream but it is one of the best pvp systems on the market.  It has more options than most games, including some of the pvp ones.  It also balances very well for a pve game and is very well designed. 

Saying the game needs to be fixed is a bit of a stretch though.  More pvp players chose to play on wow pvp servers than any single pvp mmo right now. 

 

I would like to see some incentives put on the pvp daily quest areas and more open world objectives that are designed for pvp.  They concept of them was great, but the execution wasn't so good.  Wintergrasp was a step in the right directionas was the new battlegrounds.

 

Agreed.  I would add one statement.  More PvP players chose to play on WoW pvp servers than all other paid PvP MMOGs on the market combined right now.  If the game was as crappy as in PvP as the OP eludes to, then why do so many play WoW pvp compared to the pure PvP games?

Originally posted by Geschaefer

 More hard core pvp would help WOW.

Also.. you all may not like this; but they should have a standard 10% xp loss upon death like in eq1.. It would make for better players..

Nah .. add a xp death penalty and you will have very few people to play with.

Originally posted by drbaltazar

 nha its not that complicated 

wow just need to have a veteran server 

like no compass 

no coordinate 

no add-on

no map 

no spoon feeding basicly 

thats what wow miss a vereran server 

i probably forget some info but you guys get the idea if you played everquest

yes wow way is good but one your finished ,it doesnt cut it 

they should still have implemented one server for veteran

and only avail if you went to we ll say ulduar and finished it 

why! keep the noob out ,im sorry but most veteran are fairly happy with wow 

only those small thing i mention would add a bit of fun and remove the junk speach of world chat 

or at least diminish it

hell i wish all game had veteran server

Nah, waste a totally good server on the 10 people who would want to use it?

ti is a pain  to play without addons. If you don't like them, don't use them. No point in forcing others not to.

Better graphics. Probably have to wait for wow 2 for that one though. Mmmm...WoW2....*gargles-drools homer simpson style*...