Originally posted by Larry2298

Originally posted by Aercus

That aside, the CD for fast travel is 30 mins (and 24 hours for totem). Whenver i talk to a wagoneer to get to a zone I am going to stay in that zone for at least 30 minutes. If you are going to a zone, why would you stay there for a few minutes? I have only been forced to ride across zones only twice, which was after returning Vistrix tooth and the travel quest afterwards.

I have no idea what you are talking to abut the map. It's usually criticized for being TOO dumbed down with the ! and ? showing you exactly where to pick up and hand in quests. I believe the craftsmen usually have the title "Woodcutting Trainer" or something below their name, which did not really make it hard for me to find them in the one NPC town in each resource zone.

After you killed the mob it usually takes 2-5 seconds before you can interact with anything, sometimes longer if you are having lag. If you just sit down, breath in, and wait for your character to sheath his weapon again you can merrily keep on mining. If you start to sheath/unsheath your weapon you mess with the CD. It used to be bugged last year tho (stuck in combat)..

Seeing as I am ESL I can't really understand what you are getting on about with the raid bosses.. If you can tank'n'spank every raid boss.. well.. please post your tactics :) 

 

Obviously, if it is not happen to you then it will be bugs.

First sheath weapon, it happened on my other alts but not all of them.

Secondly, it is not only 2-5 seconds, I could tell you 2-5 hours still the same.

As I said, the bugs is not always appear to everyone.

True the in combat bug does happen randomly when attacked and gathering. Had it on all my characters many time but it never struck me as the worst bug. Was annoying when it happen, but I have experienced bugs in other games that forced me to log out and back in for it to be fixed. WoW has if not fixed yet a nice little bug that has been there from launch. Sometimes when looting a corpse you would be stuck in the loot stance, to fix it when it happened to em I ended up in most cases relogging. Now that was an annoying bug way more then the unsheateh weapon thingy. The sheath weapon bug is as mentioned annoying and I do hope it gets fixed, but it is far from the bug that needs to be fixed first.

And, I am sure you are soloer or I am curious that if you really play AOC or just play in AOC Forum or not guilded. It is silliy to tell people that if you go to a zone, stay least 30 minutes just because the travel is ONE WAY TICKET as well as the game is mostly one way. Do as the developer ask you to do.

Because when you just arrived a zone then someone from your guild ask for help or doing a group quest or raid in other zone. Not to mention if you went to grind in different zones then got other thing to do.

Here you make the error by assuming based on the fact he spends more then 30 minutes in a zone he must be a soloer. Guess what I did the same, but I always played in guild or was grouped with people most of the time. The way I "solved" the 30 min downtime was either to ride for 5-10 minutes and be back at a wagoneer that could transport me everywhere or I planned my quests so that I knew I had more then just 1 quest to do in that zone. It's not hard if you only want to think a bit ahead and plan things.  But it is up to you as a player if you want to make it into a bigger problem then it really is. ;)

For the map in crafting zone, that's why I said in previous post, there are thousands bugs in AOC. There is no sign of ! or ? on the map. You have to explore the map again and get closer to any NPC may have ! or ? to display on your map. I found the NPC because I run around like I drive from LA to New York to find a guy without map. The only thing I knew is the guy is in NY. The map in AOC is useless and stupid. 

If you are interesting to know more about those bugs I mentioned, I could spend some time to make up a bug list probably includes least 200 bugs. But I think Funcom already knew those bugs and they won't do anything about it because they are known bugs.

Interesting to see that you know about thousands of bugs in AoC and that you could make up a list of atleast 200 of them. feel free to make the list tho, would be interesting to see if you really can back up your statement :)

Just take another known bug for history:

When you change zone, your character hair color maybe changed. Is there anyone wants to tell me that the hair color won't affects your combat?

Had that happen rare to my characters but it did happen some times. How would a different hair color affect my combat abilities?

I can tell you one way to paralyze the game due to poor design.

Stand in the small alley of Khemi's Bazzare, there is a guard and a no function NPC, then mounted between them, nobody could get pass to this alley. I often blocked by other players since they were AFK in there.

Will this against EULA of AOC?

Guess what that is why funcom gave all players crouch, just to get around people who did this. Also hide works here, but crouch was added specifcly into the game to deal with this type of "griefing" Since ther characters and mounts are solid there was possibilities that made players block others. But if any players felt this as an issue and couldn't get past them, then imo they need to sit down and read their  skills and learn what their character actually can do. The fix for this is ingame and have been for ages. If people don't understand how to get past them that simply means they haven't looked at their skills good enough.

 

 

 

Originally posted by Aercus

I have no idea what you are talking to abut the map. It's usually criticized for being TOO dumbed down with the ! and ? showing you exactly where to pick up and hand in quests. I believe the craftsmen usually have the title "Woodcutting Trainer" or something below their name, which did not really make it hard for me to find them in the one NPC town in each resource zone.

The map is dumbed down in the way that it's a bit like installing questhelper addon for WoW. On the map you are pointed in the direction to go and do the quest. This was a downside about the quests with the game. It made exploration useless and most people just followed the markers and did the quests in a rush. The map in AoC is far from perfect and the bug he refers to on the map I have heard about before, never had it myself from what I can remember. But I have heard people mentioning they can't find the quest marker etc.

Originally posted by Larry2298

I don’t know what Funcom has been done for the past over year. Is it only me who think that there were many bugs. I could easily list least 200 bugs in AOC but it seems that some people do not consider them as bug so it will never fix.

If you are third grade mmo player or below that then AOC might be your choice.

Yeah Larry I would like to see this 200 bug list. Are you sure a 3rd grade MMO player can count to 200? Hey that's your quote not mine. I mean that says a lot coming from you since you still play the game.

Still I'd like to see you list 200 bugs.

I can't say it has happened to me, nor have I heard anyone else complaining about being stuck in combat lately. A bug would affect most/all players, and a stuck in combat bug usually gets people vocal..

I am in a large and group friendly guild, and as I said, the fast travel CD has never hampered me in my progress. I just can't see your point in having to switch zone every 25 mins, how indecisive can you honestly be? And it doesn't take more than 3-4 minutes to gallop through a zone if you really should need to do so.

As for the missing excamation point, I think it's because it was a grey quest for you, and not a bug. In any case, is it really that hard to find the gathering trainers? There is only one town per resource zone, and all the trainers stand almost shoulder to shoulder.. It's more like: The trainer's in LA, and there are 25 inhabitants of LA. Again, noone else has complained about this, which is odd as I think people would be screaming bloody murder..

I know the hair color change bug, and also sometimes if you get electrocuted you turn white, but not exactly major bugs.. There is also a spellweaving bug and chat bug, but its sometimes i experience maybe once every couple of weeks and I don't fint it gamebreaking.

Again, Khemi has small crowded alleys, read the lore. And yes, believe it or not, small crowded alleys gets crowded.. Use hide or crouch to disable collision detection.

I'm not really qualified to comment on any of the concerns except the map. AoC's map is the easiest one of any mmo that I have ever played. Unless you want it more difficult to find stuff I don't know how you could ever complain about the map. Only way it could be easier is if there were runway lights leading you to the quest objectives. I'd hate to see how you would have dealt with a game like Lotro when it was first released if you can't handle AoC's map.

Originally posted by arenasb

 I'd hate to see how you would have dealt with a game like Lotro when it was first released if you can't handle AoC's map.

Funny thing is.. He's a lotro vet..

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by Larry2298

I don’t know what Funcom has been done for the past over year. Is it only me who think that there were many bugs. I could easily list least 200 bugs in AOC but it seems that some people do not consider them as bug so it will never fix.

If you are third grade mmo player or below that then AOC might be your choice.

 

Yeah Larry I would like to see this 200 bug list. Are you sure a 3rd grade MMO player can count to 200? Hey that's your quote not mine. I mean that says a lot coming from you since you still play the game.

Still I'd like to see you list 200 bugs.

 

I feel like I was the test drive if you asked me so. Most often to see is the quest bugs. Just for another example: The quest in Euphonian Mountain, to speak to a NPC names Attadeus something. Right after you speak to the NPC, it will trigger a few cannibals runs in but the NPC sometimes just bugged. So you couldn't complete the quest.

Next example: when you fell in dead spot, if you type /stuck then the game tells you that a report has been sent.

Man, this is the biggest lie in AOC because Funcom will never do anything about it. It is just like an automatically email reply. Completely cheating people to belive that you might get help. 

In other game such as WOW, if you type /stuck then a online GM will sent you a tell, what can I help? And he can move your avartar to elsewhere. I don't know if WOW still doing this today but way back to the beginning time.

In DDO and LOTRO, if a group doing quest confronted certain problem after report then a GM will contact you within 5-10 minutes. 

In other F2P, if you type /stuck then it will consume your teleport automatically if your teleport is available otherwise, you have to wait.

Compare AOC with all other games, I found the message in AOC is either cheat or bugs.

I am doing every quest as possible as I can. I noticed there was a new quest added in Tortage, if it's already there then it must be bugged, so I think it might be a new quest. To collect a bone then ended up to kill a boss in Underhall. You think Tortage is polishing well? I can tell one bug in Acheronian ruin, if the batman walks on stair, he will sink underground, and you couldn't target him.

another example, the external east hall 6-man instance in Atzel, I am not sure if it is a bug or as it is. To pick up the sand then kill the warlord. I have done this 3 times then I realized that if you want to complete the quest then you must ninja the sand because it is only one sand. If someone took it, it will not respawn again. If you do not have the sand then you won't be able to complete the quest.

It's so annoyed to have so many bugs prevents you from playing.

And the raid? I am used to play with guild raid in other game but AOC is largest PUG game. It is completely not interested by me because the community really sux.

 I recently re subbed and I am enjoying myself so far.

Hi Larry if you have encounted some bugs with some quests I could definately get them forwarded off for you and currently trying to reproduce some of these you mention on the test server. I have put some replies / questions in your quote for perusal.

Originally posted by Larry2298

I feel like I was the test drive if you asked me so. Most often to see is the quest bugs. Just for another example: The quest in Euphonian Mountain, to speak to a NPC names Attadeus something. Right after you speak to the NPC, it will trigger a few cannibals runs in but the NPC sometimes just bugged. So you couldn't complete the quest.

Would it be possible to be a bit more specific here? This particular quest has it set up when you first speak with Attadeus he will spawn those two waves of Cannibals. There was an issue 2 weeks after launch where people (including myself) were unable to speak with him (bugged) but changing instance solved the problem, and was subsquently fixed. Did you get the ""do not disturb" message from him? I am trying to replicate some potentials here but need a little more info to be able to pass on for you and the community if it has got bugged again.

Next example: when you fell in dead spot, if you type /stuck then the game tells you that a report has been sent.

Man, this is the biggest lie in AOC because Funcom will never do anything about it. It is just like an automatically email reply. Completely cheating people to belive that you might get help. 

In other game such as WOW, if you type /stuck then a online GM will sent you a tell, what can I help? And he can move your avartar to elsewhere. I don't know if WOW still doing this today but way back to the beginning time.

In DDO and LOTRO, if a group doing quest confronted certain problem after report then a GM will contact you within 5-10 minutes. 

In other F2P, if you type /stuck then it will consume your teleport automatically if your teleport is available otherwise, you have to wait.

Compare AOC with all other games, I found the message in AOC is either cheat or bugs.

Actually this is not entirely true, a report is sent and then Q/A will follow up in replicating it as well as forwarding on for potential world builders to look at. Several times I have done this to find in future update you can not get stuck in the same place again. This was a big problem (getting stuck) at launch and a few months after but lots of this type of issue have been resolved. I got stuck in a weird place in fields of the dead where you enter in at the start a few weeks back report sent and in last update I can not replicate issue. Just saying from my experience. With AoC a /stuck command wont get you asap GM help simple as that, however, there are other ways to get unstuck and get GM help. 98% of the time a simple logout and back in ALT F10 will resolve issue.

In LOTRO /stuck will teleport you to nearest rez, in AOC the command will get the game to attempt to actually get you unstuck at your location instead of taking that easy way out. No GM will come or never has with me and believe me I fall through and get stuck more in LOTRO these days than AoC. Maybe a compromise between the two for option would be better for AoC or either game to be honest.

I am doing every quest as possible as I can. I noticed there was a new quest added in Tortage, if it's already there then it must be bugged, so I think it might be a new quest. To collect a bone then ended up to kill a boss in Underhall. You think Tortage is polishing well? I can tell one bug in Acheronian ruin, if the batman walks on stair, he will sink underground, and you couldn't target him.

The bone quest do you know the name of it as there are a couple, what was the actual issue? Do you have the position for the bat demon falling through? There are a few there so is not limited to just one NPC.

another example, the external east hall 6-man instance in Atzel, I am not sure if it is a bug or as it is. To pick up the sand then kill the warlord. I have done this 3 times then I realized that if you want to complete the quest then you must ninja the sand because it is only one sand. If someone took it, it will not respawn again. If you do not have the sand then you won't be able to complete the quest.

In the halls of the Eternal Frost and killing The Acheronian Warlord usually the best way with this particular guy is to have a main tank on him. You only need one in your group with the sand, what I think is happening is if you are kiting the guys/adds that spawn when he is at 25% and if that kiter is too far away, they won't get quest credit as everyone needs to be in closer proximity.

It's so annoyed to have so many bugs prevents you from playing.

And the raid? I am used to play with guild raid in other game but AOC is largest PUG game. It is completely not interested by me because the community really sux.

I think that last part is specific in server community and player participation, sure it can be frustrating in not knowing right away correct processes. This can be apparent in a PUG when you have one or two guys not with the whole or individual frustrations. That Halls of the Eternal Frost can be quite challenging, esp the last boss. 

 Just trying to help out. I have never experienced some of the issues you mention, some I have. Sometimes when new code is entered in it can change things.

I remember watching trailers for this with drool coming out of my mouth when I was playing WoW.  Between the combat, gfx, horseback, city sieges and building, and more customization, I just needed to go get it.  Alas, my comp was not able to handle it and plus I just never got it.

I reflect on this as such a missed oppurtunity.  If only it were pushed back two more months they probably could have fixed some problems they had at release.  What a shame.

Originally posted by lethys

I remember watching trailers for this with drool coming out of my mouth when I was playing WoW.  Between the combat, gfx, horseback, city sieges and building, and more customization, I just needed to go get it.  Alas, my comp was not able to handle it and plus I just never got it.

 

I reflect on this as such a missed oppurtunity.  If only it were pushed back two more months they probably could have fixed some problems they had at release.  What a shame.

True, True and True.

It is not the end though, what you have now is a game that has had those core issues looked at 1 year later and is a position for the company to put a focus on more important updates.

If you log in today, even via trial, you will have a different experience that one that someone might of had in the first 3 months from launch. Things are not perfect no, but there is a definate measure of maturity there for tasting in game development in lots of area's. These have been looked at in a logical fashion and now the result is 90% of them are out the way in my opinion.

The one big area of focus still needed is continued and more persistant development in Sieges. It has been Hit and Miss the past few months and revolves around this cycle of bad to good to bad to medicore to "ok, need some more".

Originally posted by Larry2298

Originally posted by Sevenwind

Originally posted by Larry2298

I don’t know what Funcom has been done for the past over year. Is it only me who think that there were many bugs. I could easily list least 200 bugs in AOC but it seems that some people do not consider them as bug so it will never fix.

If you are third grade mmo player or below that then AOC might be your choice.

 

Yeah Larry I would like to see this 200 bug list. Are you sure a 3rd grade MMO player can count to 200? Hey that's your quote not mine. I mean that says a lot coming from you since you still play the game.

Still I'd like to see you list 200 bugs.

 

Next example: when you fell in dead spot, if you type /stuck then the game tells you that a report has been sent.

Man, this is the biggest lie in AOC because Funcom will never do anything about it. It is just like an automatically email reply. Completely cheating people to belive that you might get help. 

So how do you know it isn't being registered and that the devs looks into that spot in a later patch? It could be that the message being sent is to register all the possible spots to be stucked. Not necessary for bringing a GM over to fix your issue right away.

In other game such as WOW, if you type /stuck then a online GM will sent you a tell, what can I help? And he can move your avartar to elsewhere. I don't know if WOW still doing this today but way back to the beginning time.

From what I can remember if I used /stuck in Wow it attempted to get me unstuck, I never had a GM contact me. The /stuck command is meant to unstuck players without the need to tie up time from a GM imo. GM's should not do things that a simple command can. I played wow since it was 6 months and far into TBC time, never was I contacted by a GM when using the stuck command.

Compare AOC with all other games, I found the message in AOC is either cheat or bugs.

I am doing every quest as possible as I can. I noticed there was a new quest added in Tortage, if it's already there then it must be bugged, so I think it might be a new quest. To collect a bone then ended up to kill a boss in Underhall. You think Tortage is polishing well? I can tell one bug in Acheronian ruin, if the batman walks on stair, he will sink underground, and you couldn't target him.

If the bat in acheronian ruins walks on the stairs then you must have pulled him quite a bit? As the stairs is a bit away from the actual boss itself. I have always killed the boss more or less on the spot where he spawns, and could it be so that he sinks underground to be resetted because you pulled him to far? Oh and the quest you mentioned I think have been there for ages, I don't think that is a new quest.

And the raid? I am used to play with guild raid in other game but AOC is largest PUG game. It is completely not interested by me because the community really sux.

So you base your views on AoC raiding by assumptions. Awesome, another basher who has tried to bash the raiding without having a clue about what it is about. :)

 

FWIW, I started playing AoC a couple of weeks back. I had no prior AoC experience (bad reviews about bugs prevented me from even trying the game at launch) I have got only to level 23 so far, and I have experienced only a couple of graphic glitches (a solid closed door that appears open until I click on it is the last one) and a couple of stuck positions which I solved by jumping out of them. So far the game feels pretty bug free to me, but as I said, I'm only at lvl 23 so maybe those 200 bugs mentioned above will appear later.

I'm playing in an old laptop with a Gforce 8600m, nothing spectacular here, yet the fps is smooth at all times with medium graphic settings (had to get the latest drivers though).

I'm enjoying the game, so I would recommend it to anyone fond of the Conan lore.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

 Hi Larry if you have encounted some bugs with some quests I could definately get them forwarded off for you and currently trying to reproduce some of these you mention on the test server. I have put some replies / questions in your quote for perusal.

Would it be possible to be a bit more specific here? This particular quest has it set up when you first speak with Attadeus he will spawn those two waves of Cannibals. There was an issue 2 weeks after launch where people (including myself) were unable to speak with him (bugged) but changing instance solved the problem, and was subsquently fixed. Did you get the ""do not disturb" message from him? I am trying to replicate some potentials here but need a little more info to be able to pass on for you and the community if it has got bugged again.

The bone quest do you know the name of it as there are a couple, what was the actual issue? Do you have the position for the bat demon falling through? There are a few there so is not limited to just one NPC.

In the halls of the Eternal Frost and killing The Acheronian Warlord usually the best way with this particular guy is to have a main tank on him. You only need one in your group with the sand, what I think is happening is if you are kiting the guys/adds that spawn when he is at 25% and if that kiter is too far away, they won't get quest credit as everyone needs to be in closer proximity.

I think that last part is specific in server community and player participation, sure it can be frustrating in not knowing right away correct processes. This can be apparent in a PUG when you have one or two guys not with the whole or individual frustrations. That Halls of the Eternal Frost can be quite challenging, esp the last boss. 

 Just trying to help out. I have never experienced some of the issues you mention, some I have. Sometimes when new code is entered in it can change things.

I don't remember the quest name in Tortage but the quest is given by Donus. He gave actually 2 quests. The first quest able to take right after you enter the Town at first time to kill a few lv10 pirates. The second quest is go to the south end of White Sand Island to collecting a bone where there are lv17 mobs. Then speak to Sacumbe then to Underhall to kill Akira then back to Donus to complete the quest. The second quest is missing. Because I went bak to Tortage and find out Donus still got one quest mark over his head.

There is also a quest to travel back to Tortage after Kalencha sent you to homeland. Sometimes, if you speak to the smuggler in Taratia pier, he will take you back to Tortage but sometime he will not. It is also a quest with exp to travel back to Tortage again. Not all my alts able to do it.

I have done Eternal East 3 times, the warlord is not difficult. The first time our group just kill at his location no need to kite. The tank picked up the sand but I didn't complete the quest. I was very near to warlord in fire range. Second time, they kiting the warlord, I didnt complete the quest.

The third time, I ninjaed the sand of the god, trigger the wrlord, I didnt kite but group is far away so I have to run to the group. I completed the quest but the healer is crying he didn't complete the quest. I'd help but group disbanded. 

Tell them about the lesbian quest bugs, Larry. (use his posting history if he won't repeat it. This guy finds the best bugs (evvvvaahhh))

I can't remember them precisely, but I remember being shocked...

Originally posted by Barteaux

Tell them about the lesbian quest bugs, Larry.

Yeah, tell me... where? which quest? I'm interested in reproducing that particular ... bug. Yeah. For research purposes of course.

Originally posted by Eanok

Originally posted by Barteaux

Tell them about the lesbian quest bugs, Larry.

Yeah, tell me... where? which quest? I'm interested in reproducing that particular ... bug. Yeah. For research purposes of course.

If you are playing a female character you can choose to cohort with the whore you meet as you get out of the beach right after character creation.  The *horror* of such heresy does not go well with the Sarah Palin & creationist crowd :)

If you are European, it's hard to relate to this 19th century Victorianesqe viewpoint.. But according to Larry, it's a bug.

Originally posted by Aercus 

If you are playing a female character you can choose to cohort with the whore you meet as you get out of the beach.

I see. Larry prefers to play as a female character so that he can enjoy teasing men in game. LOL

Maybe there something that makes homosexuality worse than trading slaves, prostitution, bribery, extortion, beheading of innocents, demon worshipers... all of those present in some form in game. Me, I just enjoy the game.

Originally posted by Eanok

Originally posted by Aercus 

If you are playing a female character you can choose to cohort with the whore you meet as you get out of the beach.

I see. Larry prefers to play as a female character so that he can enjoy teasing men in game. LOL

Maybe there something that makes homosexuality worse than trading slaves, prostitution, bribery, extortion, beheading of innocents, demon worshipers... all of those present in some form in game. Me, I just enjoy the game.

Normally, I play male character in mmo and I rolled male characters on PVP server when I first started playing but I found out all armors/costumes are designed for female character AOC. So I deleted the male character to roll female character instead. I know some may say the skirt is not only for female and the mid age all wore skirts. I don't give a shit about it. Because all armors in AOC is designed for both male and female.

The female costume in AOC is normal but male costume is crap especially in early levels. There are armors looks like bra as well. The game wants to make everyone dressing like gay. That's why when you completed the prostitute's quest, you could select conversation, I wanna wake up with you in the morning.

Anyone want to challenge your jump at this spot. Jump to the boat then to the platform. The location is in Purple Lotus, armorsmith trainer.

www.mypicx.com/09192009/poor_design/

You may wondered why I was there?

First, there are two separat sections in this area. I need to hand in a quest. I run from the entrance of Purple Lotus then running around to be able to see where is the NPC with question mark ?. I have to get very closer to the NPC to be able to see his location.

To use the ladder, first you need to jump on the boat then jump to the platform.

Noted, this boat and ladder is designed for the use of this NPC. It is your own risk if you get stuck.

If you stuck there, you could logout then log back in, sometimes, if you are lucky, sometimes, you will find yourself next to the boat. Sometimes, you will still appear at same spot. If you stll stuck, wait few more minutes then try log back in.