As someone who works in software development (on the managing side)  Why do people expect a *new* game like Aion to have everything WoW has after 4-5 years?

Part of the rhetoric I hear from the anti-aion folks is "Where is this?  Where is that?  Why doesn't Aion have all of this?"

Has anyone considered that it's just not possible at release for this to happen?  You can't have everything you can possibly think up at release... WoW didn't and EQ didn't....

Why?

With that much coding at once you either will have so many bugs and balance issues at launch that the game becomes unplayable... OR you never actually release the game due to never ending QA.

There's a cut off in terms of content versus quality.

If you have some intelligence what you'd look for is a game that has a solid base to start with.  Has anyone said Aion is buggy and unplayable?  Even with gameguard (which I hate) the game is pretty damn solid.

Heck if all you want is the max content why not go back to EQ1?  At a certain point you have to ask yourself if you're willing to try something new.    I'm just getting tired of people listing everything WoW has and expecting a new game to have all that and then some without actually thinking about the actual logistics and devlopment involved.

Content =! Better.

People that play Aion brought it on themselves when they and others made comparisons between the two. 

Originally posted by Horusra

People that play Aion brought it on themselves when they and others made comparisons between the two. 

Yes, because enjoying a new game forces people to speak before thinking. People have to compare things to other things. It's part of human nature, no matter how much it sometimes doesn't work. This always has to be like that.

People have always (and continue to) make comparisons between WoW and just about anything. It's got nothing to do with Aion, it's just the most obvious target around at the moment. Hell, people even have compared WoW to Eve and GW1/2, even though they are entirely different types of mmos.

or ever thought to some people are just looking for something new with crispier graphics and I going play Aion because of the lore, and pvp  and its something new.

Originally posted by Horusra

People that play Aion brought it on themselves when they and others made comparisons between the two. 

They brought it on themselves yet others made the comparisons too? What?

The people who are going to play Aion at launch (and after the free month expires) obviously don't care if it lacks some specific thing that WoW has.  Most of the time in open beta people were trying to play the game while the WoW trolls just got on to piss everyone off with their non-stop WoW chat.

And comparing the two is fine if you do so in a realisitc way.  If you compared Wow vs Aion both at launch (giving WoW some help because it came out a long time ago), it's a much better debate.  Aion has a lot of features that WoW still doesn't have and should too.

P.S. I've seen much more effective trolls.

The unrealistic reasons for not playing are just cop outs.   It's one thing to say you don't like the style, the classes, the feel of the game etc...

It's another to just throw out BS responses like OMG asian grind no mounts or destructable buildings...

I find the no mount comments the silliest:

You're a flipping angel... why exactly would you even want a mount?  Hell the mount would be using you for transportation.  What are you gonna do?  Drop your horse on the enemy?

I like when some noob says everquest is a wow clone. Thats the best.

I so not think asian grind is a stupid reason not to like the game.  That is a rather specific play style that many people do not like.

Originally posted by Horusra

I so not think asian grind is a stupid reason not to like the game.  That is a rather specific play style that many people do not like.

It is a stupid reason because anyone who's played the game will tell you it's no more grindy than any other fantasy MMO out there.

It's a rather specific clueless reason you mean.

Originally posted by twrule

Originally posted by Horusra

People that play Aion brought it on themselves when they and others made comparisons between the two. 

 

They brought it on themselves yet others made the comparisons too? What?

The people who are going to play Aion at launch (and after the free month expires) obviously don't care if it lacks some specific thing that WoW has.  Most of the time in open beta people were trying to play the game while the WoW trolls just got on to piss everyone off with their non-stop WoW chat.

And comparing the two is fine if you do so in a realisitc way.  If you compared Wow vs Aion both at launch (giving WoW some help because it came out a long time ago), it's a much better debate.  Aion has a lot of features that WoW still doesn't have and should too.

 

P.S. I've seen much more effective trolls.

When the people that play the game and the people that do not play the game make comparisons on a forum board about a game it is going to come up about the features that are missing.  If you want a good comparison then pick another new game to compair yourself too.  When both sides do it they are both equally to blame for the comparison. 

Would anyone that plays WoW right now want to go back to playing opening day WoW with its lack of content, features, or bugs... no.  For that reason many people that do not want to play WoW will state that as their reason. 

I personally no longer play games till they are further along.  I have no desire for the for the problems most mmo's have in the first months and typically if you look in the right places you can find the game cheaper in a few months.  That is my preference. 

Either you enjoy the game or you don't, nobody has to make comparisons. I recently quit WoW, while playing Aion, not once did I make a comparison, when I exited the game the only thing I asked myself was "Did I have fun?".

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Horusra

I so not think asian grind is a stupid reason not to like the game.  That is a rather specific play style that many people do not like.

 

It is a stupid reason because anyone who's played the game will tell you it's no more grindy than any other fantasy MMO out there.

It's a rather specific clueless reason you mean.

Only clueless to a person that likes grindy games I guess.  If a person feels it is an Asian grinder...unless you are the master of the definition of what makes it an Asian grinder to them...then the problem with their reason if your own definition of what the grinder is not their's. 

I disliked EQ2 when it came out because all you did was kill mobs in a specific area till you dinged.  To me that is an Asian grinder model.  I have not played Aion, but if I found that in the game I would call it an asian grinder.  WoW on the other hand I would call a quest grinder as I never have to not complete quest to advance in levels.  Anytime I am out of quests to advance myself and must just kill mobs I feel even for the slightest bit I have to do it it makes that game more like an Asian grinder.

Originally posted by greed0104

Either you enjoy the game or you don't, nobody has to make comparisons. I recently quit WoW, while playing Aion, not once did I make a comparison, when I exited the game the only thing I asked myself was "Did I have fun?".

Then I would guess he is not complaining about you.  He is complaining about the people that have.

Originally posted by Horusra

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Horusra

I so not think asian grind is a stupid reason not to like the game.  That is a rather specific play style that many people do not like.

 

It is a stupid reason because anyone who's played the game will tell you it's no more grindy than any other fantasy MMO out there.

It's a rather specific clueless reason you mean.

 

Only clueless to a person that likes grindy games I guess.  If a person feels it is an Asian grinder...unless you are the master of the definition of what makes it an Asian grinder to them...then the problem with their reason if your own definition of what the grinder is not their's. 

I disliked EQ2 when it came out because all you did was kill mobs in a specific area till you dinged.  To me that is an Asian grinder model.  I have not played Aion, but if I found that in the game I would call it an asian grinder.  WoW on the other hand I would call a quest grinder as I never have to not complete quest to advance in levels.  Anytime I am out of quests to advance myself and must just kill mobs I feel even for the slightest bit I have to do it it makes that game more like an Asian grinder.

  Every MMORPG out there has some sort of grind.  Calling one game an asian grinder when it's leveling is at about the same as other major MMOs out there is pretty clueless unless the person hates MMOs in general.
 

I do not think I have unrealistic expectations.

I do think that new MMO's should continue to be held to a higher and higher standard every passing year. MMO's are not new anymore. You can not keep making the same mistakes and having the same problems for a new MMO every time and not expect people to get fed up with the bullshit.

If you put out the same stuff that's already out on the market and expect people to get all jazzed up over it, you will be disappointed  and I think rightly so. A new MMO needs to decide early on what it's gonna do. Something new or polish up the old.

World of Warcraft didn't really do anything new with the MMO world. What it did was take the bits and pieces from other MMO's and polish up to a high shine. It gave the players a huge world to explore, characters to have fun with, and a decent grouping experience.

New games should do the same. Yet many do not. They all fail to cater to the customer.

Originally posted by Horusra

Originally posted by greed0104

Either you enjoy the game or you don't, nobody has to make comparisons. I recently quit WoW, while playing Aion, not once did I make a comparison, when I exited the game the only thing I asked myself was "Did I have fun?".

 

Then I would guess he is not complaining about you.  He is complaining about the people that have.

Oh I know, I'm just laying it out there for people to see. If you actually read the thread one person said people "Have" to make comparisons

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Horusra

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Horusra

I so not think asian grind is a stupid reason not to like the game.  That is a rather specific play style that many people do not like.

 

It is a stupid reason because anyone who's played the game will tell you it's no more grindy than any other fantasy MMO out there.

It's a rather specific clueless reason you mean.

 

Only clueless to a person that likes grindy games I guess.  If a person feels it is an Asian grinder...unless you are the master of the definition of what makes it an Asian grinder to them...then the problem with their reason if your own definition of what the grinder is not their's. 

I disliked EQ2 when it came out because all you did was kill mobs in a specific area till you dinged.  To me that is an Asian grinder model.  I have not played Aion, but if I found that in the game I would call it an asian grinder.  WoW on the other hand I would call a quest grinder as I never have to not complete quest to advance in levels.  Anytime I am out of quests to advance myself and must just kill mobs I feel even for the slightest bit I have to do it it makes that game more like an Asian grinder.

  Every MMORPG out there has some sort of grind.  Calling one game an asian grinder when it's leveling is at about the same as other major MMOs out there is pretty clueless unless the person hates MMOs in general.
 

Yeah, I've heard a lot of people stating that they would drop the genre. But Aion has a bit of a grind, but that's ok, nothing as bad as Final Fantasy XI, I don't know why people love to complain about how horrible the grind is.

I agree with you, in order to get to know your class to the fullest, grinding is the best thing to do.

When it comes to spending time and money into something, one should go into it with high expectations.

My expectations are always high at first but the more time I invest into it the more flexible I become. I am more than willing to over look minor issues if the product delivers (up to a reasonable point).

Originally posted by Horusra

Originally posted by Angier2758

Originally posted by Horusra

I so not think asian grind is a stupid reason not to like the game.  That is a rather specific play style that many people do not like.

 

It is a stupid reason because anyone who's played the game will tell you it's no more grindy than any other fantasy MMO out there.

It's a rather specific clueless reason you mean.

 

Only clueless to a person that likes grindy games I guess.  If a person feels it is an Asian grinder...unless you are the master of the definition of what makes it an Asian grinder to them...then the problem with their reason if your own definition of what the grinder is not their's. 

I disliked EQ2 when it came out because all you did was kill mobs in a specific area till you dinged.  To me that is an Asian grinder model.  I have not played Aion, but if I found that in the game I would call it an asian grinder.  WoW on the other hand I would call a quest grinder as I never have to not complete quest to advance in levels.  Anytime I am out of quests to advance myself and must just kill mobs I feel even for the slightest bit I have to do it it makes that game more like an Asian grinder.

Asian grinder is a termt hat is widely understood to be a game that uses the traditional korean way of gameplay that involves killing many mobs with little quest or story focused gameplay. Aion does not fit any of that, it's quest driven and story driven.

The only reason why people call Aion an asian grindfest is because they know next to nothing about the game yet still think they should have an opinion of the game. The only thing they know is that it comes from asia thus they will call it an asian grinder.
These are the people that would call EVE an asian grinder if it was made by NCsoft.
 

Originally posted by stayontarget

When it comes to spending time and money into something, one should go into it with high expectations.

My expectations are always high at first but the more time I invest into it the more flexible I become. I am more than willing to over look minor issues if the product delivers (up to a reasonable point).

I got Age of Conan with low expectations for sure. And, it turned out to be a horrible game, today it is a good game, but not at launch. In conclusion,  I do have high expectations for Aion, just because, it has been released and polished in Korea for almost a year, I think by now we'll get the finished product.