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AmazingAvery
 Age of Conan Advocate
Joined: 1/16/07
The only time you run out of chances is when you stop taking them. |
9/15/09 1:47:48 AM#21
I for one am very much looking forward. Thanks for the recap.
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zach21uk
 Apprentice Member
Joined: 3/02/06
www.sto-zone.com - the internets number 1 source for information and discussion on STO! |
9/15/09 3:39:26 AM#22
I am owner of Hailing Frequency, so I just wanna say thanks to Troy for posting up our content! Errr - You folks here that are poo-pooing Star Trek Online, saying that -"this is not the game that Star Trek folks want" - I just wanna take a moment to say, that as a guy who is in touch with the day to day workings of Star Trek Gaming - you are wrong. I have 2400 members of my forum who are all dedicated Star Trek Gamers and are all looking forward to Star Trek Online. We have over 40,000 listeners to our Star Trek Gaming Podcast every month, 95% of which are hard core trek fans and 87% of which are looking forward to STO (according to recent surveys). So those handful of you who are not looking forward to STO because its not EXACTLY the game you want? Either go play something else, or make your own game - but dont presume to say that you know what "Star Trek Fans" as a whole group want, because you are in the minority and you are wrong. Anyway - Thanks once again to Troy for posting up our stuff, if you folks want more STO PAX Goodie - check out this 8 minute GAMEPLAY video we took and this 20 minute interview we did with Craig Zinkevich when we had lunch with him :D |
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AmazingAvery
Age of Conan Advocate
Joined: 1/16/07
The only time you run out of chances is when you stop taking them. |
9/15/09 3:43:20 AM#23
Originally posted by zach21uk
Wow I forgot about Hailing Frequency, used to frequent there a lot for Armada 1 and 2. Was part of ACH (clanhunters) back in the day. Thanks for the links! I agree ST:O will appeal to many a fan.
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9/15/09 6:31:15 AM#24
Originally posted by Chastian The list is really too long on how it delievers a Trek experience, more so than any Trek game to date, based of what were seeing. I understand some of the concerns, but I think some of you will really miss out if you already pan it.
For all that the Star Trek universe entails, I don't see much more other than using lore names and graphics. And though I don't think I'm panning it, since I'm not saying the game will be bad, just that imo it doesn't seem to live up to the Star Trek IP based on what I know, I'll give any MMO a shot with a free trial. So I won't be missing out, if they pull it off. But in the context of an MMORPG, from what I've seen offered, I see a simplistic space combat sim + single player rpg with multiplayer. Like I said, could be fun video game, but doesn't come close to what I expect from an MMORPG based on Star Trek. I agree with MMO_Doubter, the IP feels pasted on top of the game they wanted to make just for the lure. |
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9/15/09 6:41:34 AM#25
Originally posted by zach21uk Ahh, the plaintive cry of the fanboi: You can't discuss our game! Go Away! Look, discussing the good and bad of the game, ESPECIALLY during its dev cycle is precisely what these forums are about. Besides as admitted "dedicated Star Trek gamers" that are "all looking forward to" STO, not only can your opinion be discounted because its silly to think a game you know so little about is going to be so good, and that everyone who doesn't agree is wrong, but also being so admittedly biased, you prove MMO_Doubter's idea that the IP is being used as a lure.
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9/15/09 7:08:54 AM#26
How come I have the feeling that, and this is just my assumption, by the way the posts are going, none of you know what a "genuine Star Trek Experience" is?
I am not saying Cryptics take is a good one, I just see it spewed over and over again. What do you expect the universe, or more importantly, the gameplay, to be like? I enjoyed the series, and I like the last movie a lot (which "isn't" Star Trek) to a lot of people. Well what the hell is Star Trek? Because if I just pin it to the older series, or even some of the books, there is no way in hell I want to play any adaptation of that. They were great stories, that in my opinion, suck as any sort of playable media. The combat was always boring as hell in the movies/series, because that wasn't what it was about.
Every time I listen to Trekky fans argue, they all have severely different opinions on what canon/series they enjoyed the best and why. How is anyone going to please them with a game adaptation from who-knows-where inspiration.
I think it'll be a neat game. Screw what I know about Star Trek, or don't know, which is a lot more, if the fun factor is there, I couldn't give a rat's ass how true to "Star Trek" it is. It's Cryptic's Star Trek. It'll never be any one elses. |
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9/15/09 10:47:24 AM#27
Sheesh. Sheesh. I mean, sheesh. Suddenly, I feel like I've slipped into an episode of "Tales of a Parrellel Universe" back when it was still a series of movies... and a wise woman was shouting "this has all happened before and will happen again!!!" Look, heard this before SWG launched. Heard this before CoH launched. Vanguard. CO. EQ2, too. Requim. SGW. Fark, only MMO I haven't heard this type of line was WoW... and I hated the fact I couldn't poke npcs and get the "stop poking meeeeee!' squeel from Orcs. Well, that and a horde member with purple armor. *shudder* Even with the plethora of information that has come out, there is no way (zero) to really know how the game will shake down. I've seen games completely mutate after/during beta... and massive changes just between a beta 3 and beta 4 closed series. Wait until peeps have actually PLAYED a game, before passing judgements on how it plays. Otherwise, well... you are just firing blind to the good or ill. |
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9/15/09 10:51:37 AM#28
Originally posted by Myrdinn No.
We have some information, provided by the devs themselves. When (IF) the information changes, I will re-evaluate. "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2 |
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9/15/09 10:56:57 AM#29
Originally posted by zach21uk No, I'm not. How much did Cryptic pay you? You're a gaming site, not a Trek site. Your few thousand fans are a small minority of ST fandom. You are the minority. "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2 |
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9/15/09 11:00:03 AM#30
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter No.
We have some information, provided by the devs themselves. When (IF) the information changes, I will re-evaluate.
I know these devs. Other than Jack, they are fairly open minded. Honestly, I'd rather see and experience the game, before I go about bashing it; who knows? I hated the concept of Vanguard in a lot of ways... but the Diplomacy snagged me. Throughly snagged me; Aruspex/LinearCore/DoomCookie's mini-game defined an MMO for me (I still log in and moderate over on vgtact.com, in fact). If SOE had kept that trinity together and working on the sphere, I doubt I'd have ever left the game. (not to say Jansan's not doing an awesome job; he is. He just needs more support/devs). All I am saying is this: even with what we know now, the stage is still open. Betas and games change with development... STO, well, just LOOK at the history with this one. It's been rebooted so many times, I half expect to see a windows logo somewhere on one of the bridge monitors (with a Cryptic logo smacking it around with a club). Time answers many questions; I just suggest we see what occurs in time. I'm never opposed to any MMO, until I try it, myself. |
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JYCowboy
 Advanced Member
Joined: 1/11/05
SWG: Jess Youngstar(CIA)-Ahazi |
9/15/09 11:00:28 AM#31
Originally posted by zach21uk Would Shatner (money aside) endorse this game over WOW? Would Rod Roddenberry agree "OK" this as Star Trek?
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9/15/09 11:03:23 AM#32
Originally posted by JYCowboy There is no "money aside" for Shatner. He's no Trek fan. It's Gene Roddenberry, and maybe (if he needed the bucks.) "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2 |
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9/15/09 11:04:46 AM#33
Originally posted by JYCowboy
1. Shatner: please. Would Nimoy endorse the game (or Koenig). 2. Does it have short skirts? There's your answer in that. |
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9/15/09 11:06:22 AM#34
Originally posted by Xersues
I don't consider myself a Treky or Trekkie or w/e.... I am a fan of the series. And my concern is less with the Star Trek feel, because Cryptic I am sure will nail that on the head. And more concerned with the balance and game play mechanics of STO. I betaed CO and was on the forums shouting that they needed to make the game harder. I could lvl to 30 (the cap is 40) easily without dieing. There was no challenge to it... now it seems that they figured that out on launch day and reblanced it, but the fact that they didn't listen to (not just me) a lot fo their testers that were saying the exact same thing really concerns me. The game needs to have a challenge or it becomes tedious. Simple to play, difficult to master. I think in the end STO will be a well built game, no not everyone will like it, and that is to be expected.
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JYCowboy
Advanced Member
Joined: 1/11/05
SWG: Jess Youngstar(CIA)-Ahazi |
9/15/09 11:06:41 AM#35
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter There is no "money aside" for Shatner. He's no Trek fan. It's Gene Roddenberry, and maybe (if he needed the bucks.)
"Gene" is gone. Died sadly in 1991. Rod is his son who has kept the philosophys his father exponded alive. This is "thier" site: |
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9/15/09 11:09:53 AM#36
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter There is no "money aside" for Shatner. He's no Trek fan. It's Gene Roddenberry, and maybe (if he needed the bucks.)
Gene's dead, so is his wife. His son is the only one left. Eugene Wesley "Rod" Roddenberry Jr.
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9/15/09 8:39:35 PM#37
Originally posted by zach21uk
Was happy to do it Zach. Star Trek Online Correspondent "I don't fear failure. I only fear the slowing up of the engine inside of me which is saying, "Keep going, someone must be on top, why not you?" |
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zach21uk
Apprentice Member
Joined: 3/02/06
www.sto-zone.com - the internets number 1 source for information and discussion on STO! |
9/16/09 4:28:32 AM#38
Originally posted by dhayes68
I am not in any way saying that you cannot discuss Star Trek Online. What I am saying is that certain people need to accept that the game is going to be a certain way and that in turn, those people are not going to like Star Trek Online. You also need to accept that you folks are a minority and that therefore, Star Trek Online might not be the game for you. THAT SAID - If you have played other Star Trek Games, such as Bridge Commander, Klingon Academy, Armada 1 and 2, Starfleet Command, etc - then having played Star Trek Online and having independantly interviewed Cryptic five times about Star Trek Online- I can say with 100% certainty that Star Trek Online is going to be a much better Star Trek Gaming EXPERIENCE than any of those other Trek games, which have been good, but have left holes of dissatisfaction in the hardcore Trek Fans. You might think I am biased, running a site that deals specifically with Star Trek Gaming, however this is not the case. I have been very quick to "slam" poor trek gaming experiences in the past, Star Trek Legacy for one, so if you think for a moment that I am a "fanboi" who is going to accept anything that comes my way, then you are wrong sir. In conclusion..... [quote]not only can your opinion be discounted because its silly to think a game you know so little about is going to be so good[/quote] I know a heck of a lot more about it than you!
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zach21uk
Apprentice Member
Joined: 3/02/06
www.sto-zone.com - the internets number 1 source for information and discussion on STO! |
9/16/09 4:31:11 AM#39
Originally posted by MMO_DoubterNo, I'm not. How much did Cryptic pay you? You're a gaming site, not a Trek site. Your few thousand fans are a small minority of ST fandom. You are the minority.
I run a STAR TREK GAMING website - which i believe makes us both a "Star Trek" website and a "Gaming" website. My website is visited by over 100,000 people per month (unique) and my podcast gets tens of thousands of downloads. I and the people I represent, are not a minority.
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9/16/09 8:59:31 AM#40
Originally posted by zach21uk
I am sure they like the IDEA of STO, but I do not think hey will enjoy EnB with a trek skin. This is the third go at this format, the other two were stillborn due to interest, and push back from Startrek fans. |
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