Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by robdog696

My guesses, based on what you wrote:

I find it amusing that you have this generalized idea about gamers.  I'm sorry to burst your bubble.

1. You played WoW on a PvE server.

PvP, sorry.

2. Because you were playing with and apparantly for the company of your friends you chose to devote more of your time to attaining raid gear than arena gear.

I quit the day after I hit level 60 (the cap at the time).  I just couldn't take the game any more and the grind for gear that started at level 60 did not appeal to me in any way.

I don't like to raid.  I don't care at all about having the best gear.

PvP was still horrible unbalanced at this time and was a joke to me compared to decent PvP games I had played (mainly comparing it to DAoC).

Arenas?  Not my taste.  I like my PvP to be at least a little unexpected and flow as part of the game (which is why I played on a PvP server).  Like I said earlier I could care less about gear.  PvP is about the competition for me not about the quest for shiny items.

3. You don't like any flavors of M&Ms unless everyone else hates them all too.  Then you like them ALL.

I don't eat candy and I'm not sure what you're trying to say here exactly.  Aion already has at least 1 million subscribers and it is going to be a very big western game.  So if you are trying to say that I only like something when it's unpopular, well, that's just factually false.

Or maybe you were trying to say that I don't like something if it IS popular?  Which is also false because Aion is a popular game already but I still like it.

See, I like or dislike a game based on the actual game, not how other people feel about the game.

4. You will have just as much fun playing Aion as you would have had telling your friends to fly a kite and rolling on a PvP server instead.

Well since I played on a PvP server #4 has no merit.  But I will say that I like to play a PvP game that actually has some point behind the combat.  Aion is very similar to DAoC in this regard.  WoW's PvP has no point.  Except to acquire gear.

 I like Aion because it reminds me of DAoC.  Or what DAoC 2 could have been.

Trying to pigeon hole me into some type of WoWer who would have loved WoW if only he PvPed isn't going to work, sorry.

Aion in no way reminds me of the time I spent in WoW.  This is simply my opinion.  Trying to prove that wrong is just silly.

 

Basically, I was right about every point except #1.

Unless what you're saying is that you like green M&M's, in which case I like red ones.

UNLESS you're saying you like red ones, at which time I would choose yellow.

Either way, I just don't like M&M's...

And how can you say you wouldn't have liked WoW PvP if you had tried it?  That's even sillier!

Aion has a new endgame, although not entirely different from WoW's PvP.  If and when WoW comes out with an expansion including a zone for mass PvP battles where you can PvP while riding your mount, Aion will whither and die.  However, that's not the point.  The point is that leveling in Aion is JUST like levelling in WoW.  The endgame, granted, is not.  So why not just give us the endgame without the need to complete a hundred kill x number of zombies, go click on x npc, or go click on x harvestable object quests first?

I'm glad you like Aion!  Truly, I am!  The point I'm making here (with regards to your post, specifically) is that you are refusing to have your Aion experience be "generalized" with your WoW experience.  When the fact of the matter is, you obviously did not experience the part of WoW AT ALL that (what is suppossedly new about) Aion most closely resembles.

Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.

Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

Well let's see.  I don't like Aion.  However, I'm loving Fallen Earth, and have a long-standing affinity for EVE.

I guess that would make your post.....completely wrong! 

Maybe you were joking, in which case, good one, because I did cackle at the sheer absurdity.

Originally posted by glofish

Originally posted by drbaltazar

exaclty ,it feel soulless,like ncsoft kept it for an expension or whatever their plan is for pvp lol

 

Games don't have souls. What you put in is what you are getting back. The game may not motivate you to participate but then say that. Blaming it for something that you don't do seems misplaced.

Soul is just a fancy word of saying "To have meaning." 

Sure a game can have a soul.  To me it comes down to how much a company loves their game and how much effort they put into their game.  World of Warcraft has a very strong art style in the game along with great animations for their characters.  The music is top notch, orchestrated.  Each piece of music fits into the location you are at.  To me WoW has soul due to how much effort and love has been poured into the game to have it see the light of day.  The same can be said about any Blizzard game actually.  Some companies make games that just 'feel' right, to me that's how a game has soul. 

It's not so much what you put into it.  If the game doesn't feel right, why should you continue to play it?  Aion, to me, didn't feel right.  The art style was a bit confusing at times, the land layout was not that impressive and the animations were not really convincing.  The music succeeded half of the time, depending where you were.  It almost felt like NCSoft tried to just get the game out there and have it sell on just it's looks rather than how it plays or how it 'feels.' 

Hope that makes some sense.

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by logangregor

 

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Originally posted by Eben

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Originally posted by glofish

 

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.
Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

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Not sure if this thread was meant to be serious, but if so, stupid assumptions and simplistic views ftl.  

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A lot of people are burnt out on the mmo genre but still keep looking for a mmo to fit their niche and give them a fix.

 

I don't believe myself to be burnt out, but I'm not willing to play a game I view as shit, just to have something to play.  They have a name for those types of people, and support groups as well...

As I am sure the names of "those types pf people," and those "support groups as well..." are things you are most painfully aware of...
 

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by glofish

Originally posted by Eben 

Don't know why I'm bothering in attempting to rationalize this to someone who is obviously nothing but a pedantic fanboy seeking to rubber-stamp reasons why someone doesn't like his current FOTM game, and nothing I say will satisfy you, but I'll bite;

By 'soul', I mean Aion, at no point, strikes me as being a living, breathing world, nor does it seem as though the devs seek to make my character a part of that world.  It mostly reminds me of fluff/filler that is designed to funnel me into the Abyss. 

 

What part of WoW strikes you as a living breathing world ... today? Not a single one.

Yet when I first played it I thought it was a real and magical world. I thought my actions made a difference, I thought my journey mattered at all. Today I know better. Thus I think you and many others are looking for a feeling that could only be experienced once in your life.

Had you played Aion first then  WoW would you really believe that finding Mankrik's wife actually matters?

So if the world does not seem living and breathing to you I'll stick with my original assessment - there is no MMO that would feel like so to you today!

Sure there is, it's called EVE.  I feel like the EVE devs care very much about what they've created, which is the point I'm trying to make.

You're misunderstanding.  Aion feels like a product.  It feels like the devs went into it, under the mindset that they were making a disposable product, and nothing more.  And it felt like that the first minutes after I'd logged in the very first time in Aion.  Not sure why you toss WoW into this, but that's fine, since I can use it as an example;  I highly doubt I'd see a hidden monument in a secluded area of Aion, to honor a friend of a dev that had passed away.  I can't see any of the Aion devs caring enough about Aion to do something like that, or thinking that highly of the world they've created.  

so only a wow dev is capable of such a level of care and compassion for a friend ?  WTF are you talking about dude ?  do you personally know any of the AION devs to make such an ASSumption of something they may or may not do in a similar situation ?   oh and FYI these are all rhetorical questions -- my point is made, kid.

Originally posted by Dameonk

Originally posted by robdog696

My guesses, based on what you wrote:

I find it amusing that you have this generalized idea about gamers.  I'm sorry to burst your bubble.

1. You played WoW on a PvE server.

PvP, sorry.

2. Because you were playing with and apparantly for the company of your friends you chose to devote more of your time to attaining raid gear than arena gear.

I quit the day after I hit level 60 (the cap at the time).  I just couldn't take the game any more and the grind for gear that started at level 60 did not appeal to me in any way.

I don't like to raid.  I don't care at all about having the best gear.

PvP was still horrible unbalanced at this time and was a joke to me compared to decent PvP games I had played (mainly comparing it to DAoC).

Arenas?  Not my taste.  I like my PvP to be at least a little unexpected and flow as part of the game (which is why I played on a PvP server).  Like I said earlier I could care less about gear.  PvP is about the competition for me not about the quest for shiny items.

3. You don't like any flavors of M&Ms unless everyone else hates them all too.  Then you like them ALL.

I don't eat candy and I'm not sure what you're trying to say here exactly.  Aion already has at least 1 million subscribers and it is going to be a very big western game.  So if you are trying to say that I only like something when it's unpopular, well, that's just factually false.

Or maybe you were trying to say that I don't like something if it IS popular?  Which is also false because Aion is a popular game already but I still like it.

See, I like or dislike a game based on the actual game, not how other people feel about the game.

4. You will have just as much fun playing Aion as you would have had telling your friends to fly a kite and rolling on a PvP server instead.

Well since I played on a PvP server #4 has no merit.  But I will say that I like to play a PvP game that actually has some point behind the combat.  Aion is very similar to DAoC in this regard.  WoW's PvP has no point.  Except to acquire gear.

 I like Aion because it reminds me of DAoC.  Or what DAoC 2 could have been.

Trying to pigeon hole me into some type of WoWer who would have loved WoW if only he PvPed isn't going to work, sorry.

Aion in no way reminds me of the time I spent in WoW.  This is simply my opinion.  Trying to prove that wrong is just silly.

 

pretty much all I did in wow was pvp -- and that game was still one of the worst MMOs I have ever played -- first MMO I tried was UO.  first MMO I liked was EQ -- '99. 
 

random guy:Chocolate cake with strawberry filling is the greatest cake EVER!!!

random guy2: NO IT"S NOT ! Its just the same thing as a chocolate cake with a twist chocolate cake is still better!!!

random guy 3: YOUR ALL WRONG ITS ALL ABOUT PIE!!!

that's what all the Aion threads are starting to look like.

I was kind of looking towards the flying thing, but its so restrictive it feels like a gimmick. Its like theyve given me a shiny new toy, but then wont let me play with it. The rest of the game felt like just another generic cookie-cutter mmo, and though the graphics were above par the artstyle is kinda meh.

Originally posted by robdog696

 

And how can you say you wouldn't have liked WoW PvP if you had tried it?  That's even sillier!

Of course I PvPed in WoW.  How else would I have known I didn't like it?

Aion has a new endgame, although not entirely different from WoW's PvP.  If and when WoW comes out with an expansion including a zone for mass PvP battles where you can PvP while riding your mount, Aion will whither and die.  However, that's not the point. 

I agree, that is not the point considering I didn't like WoW at all, not just the end game.

The point is that leveling in Aion is JUST like levelling in WoW. 

See, this is where I strongly disagree.  I absolutely hated leveling a character in WoW.  It was very boring to me.  Aion, on the other hand, is very fun for me.  The combat is top notch in my opinion.  Much more fun than WoW.

The endgame, granted, is not.  So why not just give us the endgame without the need to complete a hundred kill x number of zombies, go click on x npc, or go click on x harvestable object quests first?

Well for 1, I don't mind the leveling in Aion, like I said above.

And 2, it's about the journey as much as the destination.  What you just stated is like saying what's the point in going through a Final Fantasy game?  Why can't the game just put me at the final boss and let me beat it.

Without the journey there's no sense of advancement or accomplishment.  In other word, no point. 

I'm glad you like Aion!  Truly, I am!  The point I'm making here (with regards to your post, specifically) is that you are refusing to have your Aion experience be "generalized" with your WoW experience.  When the fact of the matter is, you obviously did not experience the part of WoW AT ALL that (what is suppossedly new about) Aion most closely resembles.

I'm guessing you're talking about open world PvP or Arenas?  I experienced both in WoW and they were both laughable for me.

Also I'm not refusing to have my Aion experienced generalized with my WoW experience.  What I was pointing out from my original reply to your post is that they are completely different experiences for me and, I know, many others.

Anyway, this is the last I'll say about this.  Both your original post and the OP are of the same ilk.  Trying to place everyone that plays games into a nice little box.  Real life just doesn't work like that.

Originally posted by kamerak

random guy:Chocolate cake with strawberry filling is the greatest cake EVER!!!

random guy2: NO IT"S NOT ! Its just the same thing as a chocolate cake with a twist chocolate cake is still better!!!

random guy 3: YOUR ALL WRONG ITS ALL ABOUT PIE!!!

 

that's what all the Aion threads are starting to look like.

 

what it looks like to me -- is people who dont like AION and wont be playing AION are coming to the AION forums to stir the pot -- says alot about the pull whatever games they are playing has over them.  and before the clowns say something stupid, I am here, on the AION forums, because I will be buying the game 9/22.  I have a vested interest in the game and therefore visit the forums.  You are here, because, well, whatever game your playing sucks and you have nothing better to do with your time.
 

Enjoy !!

Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.

Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

From a person who waited on Aion for years I can tell you that:

If you played World of Warcraft you have nothing to look for in Aion. The game is just instanced , zoned and linear like hell and requires absloutely nothing but quest-grind without any other option to do.. no exploring no BGS nothing.

I pretty much think that if you played WoW you're done until the "new gen" mmo comes AKA blizzard's new game.

Originally posted by kakarotrage

Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.

Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

 

From a person who waited on Aion for years I can tell you that:

If you played World of Warcraft you have nothing to look for in Aion. The game is just instanced , zoned and linear like hell and requires absloutely nothing but quest-grind without any other option to do.. no exploring no BGS nothing.

I pretty much think that if you played WoW you're done until the "new gen" mmo comes AKA blizzard's new game.

your not too good at..."thinking."
 

   -- but A for effort.  and a cookie with some milk for you as well.

Originally posted by Tyvolus1

Originally posted by kamerak

random guy:Chocolate cake with strawberry filling is the greatest cake EVER!!!

random guy2: NO IT"S NOT ! Its just the same thing as a chocolate cake with a twist chocolate cake is still better!!!

random guy 3: YOUR ALL WRONG ITS ALL ABOUT PIE!!!

 

that's what all the Aion threads are starting to look like.

 

what it looks like to me -- is people who dont like AION and wont be playing AION are coming to the AION forums to stir the pot -- says alot about the pull whatever games they are playing has over them.  and before the clowns say something stupid, I am here, on the AION forums, because I will be buying the game 9/22.  I have a vested interest in the game and therefore visit the forums.  You are here, because, well, whatever game your playing sucks and you have nothing better to do with your time.
 

 

Enjoy !!

You clearly don't vist them enough I am playing Aion's OB, and loving every moment of the open beta and have posted that i like it in numerous posts and I have already purchased my copy of Aion and ready to go all out on the 22nd. If you didn't get my statement about cake and pie then well you clearly don't like cake or pie you must be a pudding man.

and to clear it up for you.

Aion=cake with stawberry filling, taste good has a nice twist.

WoW= chocolate cake majority of the people will enjoy it.

EVE= pie........you make your conclusion there (I tried eve wasn't my cup of tea but concept is cool)

Whats with all the cake/pie/food references in the later threads?  Are you just up late (like me) and want some ice cream but only have baked goods?  Seriously.  Me = bong water.  You = pudding.  This = retarded.

Originally posted by Anarchist420

Whats with all the cake/pie/food references in the later threads?  Are you just up late (like me) and want some ice cream but only have baked goods?  Seriously.  Me = bong water.  You = pudding.  This = retarded.

yeah it is pretty retarted but if u look at all the new aion threads basicly the same argument, and yeah i know its kinda late but its friday and I'm halfway through a fith of captain moragn

Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.

Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

Fear 1 and definitly Fear 2 really went beyond DOOM for me. I even felt QuakeWars went beyond DOOM. So atleast to me not every shooter playes like DOOM, in fact DOOM is way way WAY behind the current crop of FPS games atleast for me it's fact. Perhaps I play to many genre of games and have love towards many genre's.

Anyway I am not disliking Aion, but I think I am lucky to not have followed the game up close, but just entered the OB without to many expectations. So far to me even with very limited time Aion feels more MMO to me then I felt when I tested champions, which to me felt like just a Action Online game, even more funny I love superhero's but simply can not get into the whole City of Hero/Champions Online hero feel. And not really found of Fantsay cause I crave for Sci-Fi but like I said for now I am having some fun with Aion.

I just have a few minor issue's with the game, some I have already posted but some seem not able to understand them as one person for some reason pulls his protective shield up when ever someone might say something about some minor issue.

Originally posted by drbaltazar

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.

Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

 

Um...I don't like Aion because I don't like Aion.  Has nothing to do with the genre, I just don't get anything out of Aion, don't like the art style, the sounds, or the way it feels when I play it.  Yes, it's well done, for what they intended to do, it's well polished, runs well, but it all feels rather soulless to me.  Simple as that.  Those are my opinions and my reasons why I will not be playing it. 

Not sure if this thread was meant to be serious, but if so, stupid assumptions and simplistic views ftl.  

exaclty ,it feel soulless,like ncsoft kept it for an expension or whatever their plan is for pvp lol

Lol @games having souls.  I'm guessing you are betting that there are video games in Heaven?

Anyway, this is the last I'll say about this.  Both your original post and the OP are of the same ilk.  Trying to place everyone that plays games into a nice little box.  Real life just doesn't work like that.

Then I would be placing myself in a box as well..............

You did not experience all that WoW has to offer.

And the sad reality is, all that seperates games from one another currently are PLAYER PREFFERENCES.  What?  60% of EQ players said they wish they could solo?  Let's give em solo!  What? 90% of L2 players said they wish they did not HAVE to play on a PvP server?  Let's give em the choice!  What?  Our customers hate clerics and don't want to be beaten in PvP by one?  Let's nerf clerics!

The fact is, like WoW or not, Blizzard is the only company truly listening to the MAJORITY!  That doesn't mean they all like the same things or hate the same things about WoW.  But it does mean that the MAJORITY of people who play will like it more than hate it.  Other companies can not come close to WoW because they do not listen to their players.  They listen to statistics about what games have done well, what investments are safe, and what they've tried in the past that worked.  Then they mass produce those statistics the same way they did boom boxes/CD players in the eighties and game consoles in the nineties.

If you can't see that Aion is WoW with different player prefferances (character appearance, mount vs. wings, enchants vs runes, pvp vs. pve, etc) then you haven't experienced ALL of WoW... and with it, all that the gaming industry currently has to offer... because no-one... NO-ONE is getting what the players want right anytime soon better than the ONE BBB accreditted MMORPG company that listens to their players!

The fact is... and I'm sorry to tell you this... if you don't like WoW, then you aren't the gaming industries target audience!!!  Peace!

Originally posted by glofish

 If you don't like Aion you don't really like MMOs anymore.

Aion is just the latest MMO that you don't like.

There is no magic formula or innovation that can be had in this field. Just like every shooter plays like Doom yet no one can match the intensity of Doom ever again. The innovation will come from another genre altogether.    

ridiculous and non sense

I play Lotro, played VG, DAOC EQ2 and a lot of MMOS (AOC, AO etc)

But i can't play KOREAN mmos. aion is another korean mmo no more no less, not for me

Originally posted by robdog696

Then I would be placing myself in a box as well..............

 

You did not experience all that WoW has to offer.

 

And the sad reality is, all that seperates games from one another currently are PLAYER PREFFERENCES.  What?  60% of EQ players said they wish they could solo?  Let's give em solo!  What? 90% of L2 players said they wish they did not HAVE to play on a PvP server?  Let's give em the choice!  What?  Our customers hate clerics and don't want to be beaten in PvP by one?  Let's nerf clerics!

 

The fact is, like WoW or not, Blizzard is the only company truly listening to the MAJORITY!  That doesn't mean they all like the same things or hate the same things about WoW.  But it does mean that the MAJORITY of people who play will like it more than hate it.  Other companies can not come close to WoW because they do not listen to their players.  They listen to statistics about what games have done well, what investments are safe, and what they've tried in the past that worked.  Then they mass produce those statistics the same way they did boom boxes/CD players in the eighties and game consoles in the nineties.

 

If you can't see that Aion is WoW with different player prefferances (character appearance, mount vs. wings, enchants vs runes, pvp vs. pve, etc) then you haven't experienced ALL of WoW... and with it, all that the gaming industry currently has to offer... because no-one... NO-ONE is getting what the players want right anytime soon better than the ONE BBB accreditted MMORPG company that listens to their players!

 

The fact is... and I'm sorry to tell you this... if you don't like WoW, then you aren't the gaming industries target audience!!!  Peace!

Majority of gamers like FPS's- so there should only be FPS genre around! Why make RPG's when majority of players like FPS? Yeah, excellent logic you got there.