Originally posted by skeaser

I realized in Beta tonight that if anything sucks about this game, it's the community.

I didn't realize you could be as dumb as some of the people in Aion and still work a computer. Chat is overrun with people asking how to do the starter quests, which are simple enough, but just in case you can't get it, the quest log has hyperlinks that show you on the map where you're going. On top of that, I've seen some of the most ignorant statements coming out of people.

Each new MMO seems to have a dumber audience. Can we go back to the days where anything RPG was a niche market for nerds?

I won't deny that the community isn't great right now, but it's open beta, so it isn't necessarily indicative of the community once everyone on there is a paying customer.

I've found the community in the open beta to be friendlier than the community in the game I currently subscribed to, though (AoC). There are some real characters on there.

Originally posted by Cacolaco

Originally posted by skeaser

I realized in Beta tonight that if anything sucks about this game, it's the community.

I didn't realize you could be as dumb as some of the people in Aion and still work a computer. Chat is overrun with people asking how to do the starter quests, which are simple enough, but just in case you can't get it, the quest log has hyperlinks that show you on the map where you're going. On top of that, I've seen some of the most ignorant statements coming out of people.

Each new MMO seems to have a dumber audience. Can we go back to the days where anything RPG was a niche market for nerds?

 

I won't deny that the community isn't great right now, but it's open beta, so it isn't necessarily indicative of the community once everyone on there is a paying customer.

I've found the community in the open beta to be friendlier than the community in the game I currently subscribed to, though (AoC). There are some real characters on there.

Speaking of Aion chat, why can't you use channels until level 5? I've seen people asking good questions in chat that I have to answer by tell because I can't respond publicly. I still get the message across, but anyone wondering the same thing is left out.

Originally posted by skeaser

 Speaking of Aion chat, why can't you use channels until level 5? I've seen people asking good questions in chat that I have to answer by tell because I can't respond publicly. I still get the message across, but anyone wondering the same thing is left out.

I love this feature. I hope more new MMOs put something like this in. It gives people a chance to think on their own (gasp!), while at the same time preventing spammers from rolling a level 1 toon and flooding the channels.

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by skeaser

 Speaking of Aion chat, why can't you use channels until level 5? I've seen people asking good questions in chat that I have to answer by tell because I can't respond publicly. I still get the message across, but anyone wondering the same thing is left out.

 

I love this feature. I hope more new MMOs put something like this in. It gives people a chance to think on their own (gasp!), while at the same time preventing spammers from rolling a level 1 toon and flooding the channels.

Eh, true enough, I guess I was just looking at the other side of the coin.

Originally posted by teco221

So, if you got your refund, what's the point of complaining?  Again, either you play or you don't play.  No one really cares that much about you.

I think letting people hear other opinions / experiences is very helpful for those people trying to make up their minds about the game.  Regardless if someone will be playing the game when it goes live, if they've played the game in CB and/or OB then their opinion is just as valid as anyone else. 

Often you have to look at the complaints to get a true feel for what (if any) problems a game is having.  Too many people fall in love with a game and put on the blinders and/or may be unwilling to discuss the negatives.  Once you're aware of the negatives you can make a better decision whether or not the game is for you.

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Preordering an MMO (or worse, getting a lifetime subscription for it) is the stupidest thing a man could do. Well, hopefully you learned something from this.

I agree,unless you had a chance to see a finished product already in a alpha beta phase,witch btw is quite possible.

Two things that really struck it as lame was a RVR/PVP game with only two factions,i mean come on WAR did this and it turned me off of WAR immediately.The other thing is that how can NCSOFT be claiming to make the next two expansions for a game that is not even released?geesh that is like saying we are making the rest of your game,but we want to sell it to you in two more installments to scam you for more money.

If not for the recent uproar over TR and AOC,i think NCSOFT would have released this game already,they are in a "fear" mode right now.This is also why they chose the 1.5 patch they got negative feedback from the Asian community.The funny part is that they claim to be making the NA version to fit our gaming needs,yet they chose to implement the same 1.5 patch for the NA game lol,how did they know before the 1.o was even tested here first?That was all BS hype anyhow,claiming to be catering to the NA public,lmao did anyone actually buy into that?

When you see a game like AION with such little content available, make sure you play test it first to be sure ,i would not chance a pre order.Now if AION was a game with 6+ factions,tons of races and some unique game ideas[besides flying],then i could see some high expectations for a good PVP RVR game,but this is not the case here at all.

The other big fail was by having ONLY 2 factions,they were "forced" to make both factions FLYING,otherwise there would be no flight combat,lmao sad really when you think about it.I mean it really irked me when i found out both factions could fly,i thought that was really dumb,but like i said they were forced into it by cheap design.It really looks like an unfinished game,something i would not pre order.

Originally posted by Krilster

Originally posted by seniorfrito

I've now tried every class, gotten each to at least level 10. 

 

lol. Play the game before you decide you dislike it. Getting to level 10~ isn't the game.

/thread

Yeah, because a game is definitely worthwhile when you have to *look* for the fun.

OP; cancel the order if you don't like it.  I did.  Funny thing is, got the refund from Steam, yet NCsoft is so borked that they still show me as having a CE preorder with play access until sometime in October.  So basically, free game that I don't want to play.  Yay.

Originally posted by BayonetRecon

Originally posted by teco221

So, if you got your refund, what's the point of complaining?  Again, either you play or you don't play.  No one really cares that much about you.

I think letting people hear other opinions / experiences is very helpful for those people trying to make up their minds about the game.  Regardless if someone will be playing the game when it goes live, if they've played the game in CB and/or OB then their opinion is just as valid as anyone else. 

Often you have to look at the complaints to get a true feel for what (if any) problems a game is having.  Too many people fall in love with a game and put on the blinders and/or may be unwilling to discuss the negatives.  Once you're aware of the negatives you can make a better decision whether or not the game is for you.

Yea, but again people should not trust anyone's review unless you know the person has the same taste with you.  I read the good and bad reviews about EVE, and I picked and believe one of the good reviews, and I played it.  Personally, I would only give a 5/10, it was just an OK game, but in that good review is 12/10.  

I read about Champion Online, again good/bad reviews both side, then I tried in Beta and I think it's 2/10, so I don't even play and I didn't post anything negative about it on Champion Online's forum because 1. I didn't play long enough to make any kind of judgment  2. I just don't like it at all and since I have nothing nice to say about it, I just don't say anything.  Unless you can give a fair view, otherwise you are just ranting.

I have been playing Aion on Chinese server and I enjoy my time there, and because I can communicate with Chinese, I have a good time unlike some people who played for a few days and lost interests because no one they could talk to.  That's why I decide to play NA version.  Like I said in the post, I believe the game is only worth 6 months to a year to me.  I would only give a 7/10, and it's good enough for me.  I just don't like people make a post like "OMFG! NCSOFT TOOK MY MILK MONEY!!! IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD KIND OF POST"

Originally posted by BayonetRecon

I think letting people hear other opinions / experiences is very helpful for those people trying to make up their minds about the game.  Regardless if someone will be playing the game when it goes live, if they've played the game in CB and/or OB then their opinion is just as valid as anyone else.

The problem is that some people come here to complain but have no real experience with the game. Take the OP for example. He played several toons to level 10. Leveling to 10 basically gets you through the initial tutorial zone. I don't know about you, but it doesn't seem to me that the tutorial zone really reflects the pvp, dungeons, and rifting that you will experience later. He then claims that the game is not immersive, but I bet you he is like so many other rat-chasing-the-cheese MMOers who skip the "why"s and story behind quests and just care about how quickly they can complete the task itself. The quest text in Aion actually is well done as it gradually reveals the larger story arc behind the game's lore. If you give it a chance (or a read), it is just as immersive as any other MMO out there. He also comments that the community isn't great either, but what he fails to realize is that this is an open beta and most of the "community" he sees now is actually not the real Aion community.

Sharing an informed opinion is one thing, writing negative comments based on limited experience and false assumptions is another.

Originally posted by Zippy

 

No offense to you but I would have a very hard time calling anyone under 30-35 an adult.  They might be able legally enter into contracts, drive and be killed but that does make them mature adults capable of controlling their emotions, their desires for attention, having anything close to an attention span or patience  or able to develop a sense of empathy for others.  I don't see any difference in maturity between most 15 and 25 year olds except that the 25 year old is generally louder and more obnoxious with a greater need to garner attention for himself.  Physically males brains do not mature until around age 25 where they can develop empathy.  With influences from popular culture and the general idiocy that is transmitted to these youngsters through television and the internet their path to maturity and some sort of rational thinking is likely greatly slowed. In todays culture actually having them develop any sort of empathy or understanding of anyone but themselves may not happen until they die.  I don't mean to offend as its not their fault.  Growing up and maturing is a process that takes time and something that is very hard to achieve in the environment they live in.  PvP kiddies, like the OP,  and those that spend most of their time hyping and eventually flaming games on the internet, are the worst of these children.  Completely lacking in patience and in the ability to think outside their immediate plane of existence coupled with a huge need to call attention to themselves.

I guess we should all bow down on our knees and kiss your highness's a$$ now?  You play video games (like the rest of us) for god's sakes...what makes you any different than us?  Your a pot calling a kettle black...Although I'm 31, I still find it pretentious for you to call anyone 18-25 immature.  Everyone matures at the own pace depending no their ability to learn, their parents, their environment and how far away they are from you (the further the better). 

On a side note, Aion has some great things to offer and some not so great things.  Im a big fan of fast combat, so this game isn't for me.  I do think that it will appeal to a pretty large crowd and I'm happy that that crowd was able to find a game they like :)

Why did I preorder? 

Answer  : Cause I'm another bandwagon MMO guy who is gullible and believes overhypeness

Aion is garbage which will revolve around equips and people botting in the game.

I for one havent read the quests yet because I am waiting for live retail so I can FULLY immerse myself in the gameworld! People arnt seeing the big picture. They are not looking past the "MMO mechanics" to see the living, breathing, "world" that is behind them. It is this world people will get lost in! 

I for one love the subject mantra (ever read the Planescape Novels? Angels and Demos fighitng in the abyss - awesome!)  I truly hope that when the game takes off (no pun) that some writers get together and write some novels based in the game world - this will also help people get "into" the Lore.

I am eager and excitied to sip at the game like a mulled wine. Its about the journey.

BTW - Can we get an Oceanic "RP" unoffical server too?

PS - Oh, that is why I pre-ordered!

PPS - Can we get a lifetime subscription? That would rock the world!

Originally posted by Hyanmen

Preordering an MMO (or worse, getting a lifetime subscription for it) is the stupidest thing a man could do. Well, hopefully you learned something from this.

I can think of a lot of things more stupid than pre-ordering a MMO.

I've done a few, too.

1) Pre-ordering games is foolish, please try to remember that you're supporting bad games with this

2) You are right, Aion offers absolutely nothing new and took standard MMO elements from different games, mashed them all together and created a linear, boring world. I hope this game doesn't attract many players, other innovative and fun games should get money, not linear grindfests like Aion.

3) You can undo a pre-order with a chargeback usually

Originally posted by Boardwalker

Originally posted by skeaser

 Speaking of Aion chat, why can't you use channels until level 5? I've seen people asking good questions in chat that I have to answer by tell because I can't respond publicly. I still get the message across, but anyone wondering the same thing is left out.

 

I love this feature. I hope more new MMOs put something like this in. It gives people a chance to think on their own (gasp!), while at the same time preventing spammers from rolling a level 1 toon and flooding the channels.

You know, i personally do not think Aion is a bad game, it just doesnt do anything original enough to get me to buy it. But to say the lack of a basic fearture is a good thing to get people to think on their own for the first five levels of a cookie cutter MMO is pretty lame. From the sarcasm of your previous post on this thread you seem to think everyone who has any negative thoughts on this game is a WOW fan or just tired of MMO's. Well sir, i am not a WOW fan but the fact that Aion is so similar to WOW and many other games is why I made  the decision not to buy it. You are correct im tired of the MMO's that have been released in the last five years and Aion is just one of many of the same.

Just in case you are interested, I am offering pre-orders on trips to Jupiter.  Get in now for the low, low price of $100,000.00.  I'm absolutely serious about this.  Please send me $100,000.00 and I will guarantee you a first class seat on the very first flight.  You cannot possibly lose.

I am so hoping the OP did not learn a lesson.  I am not going to be happy if Aion has ruined my Jupiter project.

edit:  Sorry, in my rush to sell you seats to Jupiter I ignored your question of 'Why oh why did I preorder".

The answer to that question, I'm afraid, is that you are a moron. 

Better luck next time, mate.

Originally posted by veritas_X

Originally posted by seniorfrito

  And speaking of Lore, what the hell?  I'm sorry is there some book I'm supposed to have read because apparently I'm the only one that doesn't understand the "lore".

 

What 'lore' exists is basically there to explain why you can't really fly when you want to.  And it's around on the official site, but frankly not even worth seeking out due to it's generic nature.

What a absolute crock of crap if you bother to actually dig into the lore it is exceptionally well written and insightful and gives a fantastic background on the world and why the 2 factions came to war.

The more people leave, the more the community improves.  Heh, if ya get my drift?

Ken

I'm keeping my pre-order CE.

I'll be playing full speed ahead when the head start opens.

However, the OB so far has just re-affirmed my opinion that the game will not be a long term title, for me and for most who join up. The flaws are more evident, as happens once you've played a game for a while. I stick by my guns in stating that the world is too small and not very well designed. I'm also just as certain as ever that not offering more PvE friendly servers is a mistake.

There are things I like about the game, but the fact that I'm buying a game I see as pretty flawed just speaks of the sad state of the MMORPG market at the moment.

BTW, I hate the zone design in the level 20-40 zone. Very Guild Wars in the restrictive, "rat in a maze" sort of way. Also, with 20 levels squeezed into a zone not much bigger than The Barrens in WoW or a zone plus RvR lake in WAR, the very small area that hosts content for your level range (and grinding pleasure) feels very tiny after a full session.

Originally posted by seniorfrito

So I have started to see what many people have been saying about this game.  Just recently, "This Game Sucks" and "Aion=Migets Online".  It's just sad really, I got sucked in by the graphics.  But, there's absolutely nothing special about this game.  I've now tried every class, gotten each to at least level 10.  And not one of them seemed appealing at that point.  It's the quests.  It's the combat.  They're completely second rate.  Not engaging or immersive.  Not only that, but the community isn't great either.  Granted I've seen worse people, but making suggestions to those lore craving lunatics is not a smart choice.  And speaking of Lore, what the hell?  I'm sorry is there some book I'm supposed to have read because apparently I'm the only one that doesn't understand the "lore".  Anyway rant is over, that's about as much time as I'm going to spend dissing this game.

At least level 10? You do understand that at level 10 you start playing a "new" class, and how could you judge those classes from not even playing them? Since at level 10 you just change your class, it implies that you must play at least some levels to try out the "new" classes.

It is quite funny to read this type of "reviews" or what we should call them, in which the OP relentlessly bashes the classes in Aion without having any experience of them. All your arguments are hypothetical and have really no base to stand on.

Regards,

R