Originally posted by girlgeek

Originally posted by Binhoberde

Healbot + Decursive = Healer

Grid is like Oreos, just because everyone likes it does not make it good.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said here EXCEPT....I would also add VisualHeal to your list of healer must-haves. :)

I agree simple add on but also very useful. Even useful for tanks to have to see if they are going to need to pop a cool down .

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by laephis

Originally posted by Reeper

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

QFT. I cant see how these add ons differ from any other cheat.

 

I'm guessing neither of you guys raid heal.

Raid Heal all the time, but i do have to pay attention, i play the game for it is, i do keep from instance run where  a DK or Pali is Tanking, Priests have a harder time healing a tank that cant hold Agro on a Multi pull, 2- 3 complete heals and i have Agro, game over.
 

I haven't pulled aggro as a healer since TBC was launched.  Are you sure we're playing the same game?

And seriously guys, "cheats"?  I don't have a /rolleyes big enough for that kind of thinking.  These addons change the way your raid frames are laid out, giving you better information in a faster manner. 

Changing the game to your advantage, using programs aquired outside  the game. Yeah i call them cheats.

In a game like WoW with so much going on add ons are useful tools to make things clearer. Even Bliz is putting things in for that purpose one of which is the Armor change. They  also are not against add ons like many other games are.

If you are healing and you never draw aggro then I would have to think you aren't doing much healing. As even talented to lower it still draws some.  Timing is a big key too. But where you say you won't heal when a DK or Pally is tanking cause they can't hold aggro then you haven't been honored to have some of the ones I have. A Pally tank can not only hold aggro on multiple targets they are one of the best at it. A good DK tank can hold their own as well.

To all those that don't use addons... I bow to you as both Masters of the Game and the Universe...

Originally posted by Gikku

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by laephis

Originally posted by Reeper

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me...    

QFT. I cant see how these add ons differ from any other cheat.

Raid Heal all the time, but i do have to pay attention, i play the game for it is, i do keep from instance run where  a DK or Pali is Tanking, Priests have a harder time healing a tank that cant hold Agro on a Multi pull, 2- 3 complete heals and i have Agro, game over.
 

.... Yeah i call them cheats.

Oh man, I really hope you are trolling because I about fell out of my chair laughing when I read that part about paly's and DK's being bad AoE tanks. I'm going to have to assume these super heroes whom never ever would dare to use mods / add ons in WoW and are from "Top 10" raiding guilds must surely be giants among men.

First of all most top 10 raiding guilds require and check to see if you have certain required addons installed, even if simply for the sake of redundancy in the event any one slips up. Not necessarily healing mods, but some of the more basic ones ie: DBM. Purely for the sake of not risking their glorious e-peens by having some one blow up the raid, and thus requiring the supreme commander to yell at them via vent or teamspeak lol.

Secondly these mods to the game are run through a system designed by blizzard and pretty rigorously and religiously updated and checked to make sure as little of the general goobers playing the game get any "automated" play out of them. Sure there are plenty of  real cheats that do exist in the game, but few of them are written by the folks who pay an awful lot of attention to their reputation in the current king of MMO's as mod developers.

Lastly if you really think having an addon and having some one roll your dice for you in a board game are a worth while analogy then you certainly are making leaps and abounds in being the forefront expert in intelligence. I'll break it down for you, dice are designed by their very nature to be random no matter who rolls them, but I guess having my friend roll them for me constitutes as a true advantage! Also handrails? Really? what are you going to tell me next? the guy who made tooth picks was a Haxor?! 

Yes I do understand the context of what you were "trying" to impose... but honestly you fell flat on your face trying to prove a point.

Any ways yes! You don't need addons to play WoW, but you certainly are not going to be as likely to be a repeat contender to some one who understands the utility they provide in giving you some sanity back as you deal with 10 - 25  people who are all human, and all make mistakes pretty frequently. After all I guess us crappy players who cheat are really just folks capable of realizing that we and our counter-part healers and raiding companions are not perfect, even with how stupidly easymode they've turned the game into.

Peace, lol

Originally posted by Soujyo

Originally posted by Gikku

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by laephis

Originally posted by Reeper

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me...    

QFT. I cant see how these add ons differ from any other cheat.

Raid Heal all the time, but i do have to pay attention, i play the game for it is, i do keep from instance run where  a DK or Pali is Tanking, Priests have a harder time healing a tank that cant hold Agro on a Multi pull, 2- 3 complete heals and i have Agro, game over.
 

.... Yeah i call them cheats.

Oh man, I really hope you are trolling because I about fell out of my chair laughing when I read that part about paly's and DK's being bad AoE tanks. I'm going to have to assume these super heroes whom never ever would dare to use mods / add ons in WoW and are from "Top 10" raiding guilds must surely be giants among men.

First of all most top 10 raiding guilds require and check to see if you have certain required addons installed, even if simply for the sake of redundancy in the event any one slips up. Not necessarily healing mods, but some of the more basic ones ie: DBM. Purely for the sake of not risking their glorious e-peens by having some one blow up the raid, and thus requiring the supreme commander to yell at them via vent or teamspeak lol.

Secondly these mods to the game are run through a system designed by blizzard and pretty rigorously and religiously updated and checked to make sure as little of the general goobers playing the game get any "automated" play out of them. Sure there are plenty of  real cheats that do exist in the game, but few of them are written by the folks who pay an awful lot of attention to their reputation in the current king of MMO's as mod developers.

Lastly if you really think having an addon and having some one roll your dice for you in a board game are a worth while analogy then you certainly are making leaps and abounds in being the forefront expert in intelligence. I'll break it down for you, dice are designed by their very nature to be random no matter who rolls them, but I guess having my friend roll them for me constitutes as a true advantage! Also handrails? Really? what are you going to tell me next? the guy who made tooth picks was a Haxor?! 

Yes I do understand the context of what you were "trying" to impose... but honestly you fell flat on your face trying to prove a point.

 

Any ways yes! You don't need addons to play WoW, but you certainly are not going to be as likely to be a repeat contender to some one who understands the utility they provide in giving you some sanity back as you deal with 10 - 25  people who are all human, and all make mistakes pretty frequently. After all I guess us crappy players who cheat are really just folks capable of realizing that we and our counter-part healers and raiding companions are not perfect, even with how stupidly easymode they've turned the game into.

Peace, lol

People who use hacks, exploits and buy gold can always justify  it  to themselves also. I guess it is a mind set with most people now to win at all costs. Ok if thats what you want but not for me.

When I healed as a Priest in WoW, healbot really was the way to go. If you have two brain cells to rub together, you can heal fine without any addons, but having Healbot shaves microseconds off of each heal or dispel, giving you that much more reaction time, which can never hurt. The other one are ugly, don't have the functionality, or just try to do too much.

Originally posted by MMOman101

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

QFT. I cant see how these add ons differ from any other cheat.

 

I'm guessing neither of you guys raid heal.

 

You know what I find funny about this.  The belief that you need mods to be a good healer. 

 

I was a top raid healer for a top 10 guild and never used mods.  I remember once in the arena a team mate was commenting that I must have a bunch of mods.  I never told people the only thing I used was decursive and CT for the alerts. 

 

I honestly think if you set your screen up the same way each time and organize your hotkeys correctly you can be just as fast as anyone with a mod.

 

You just need the sack to try it on your own. 

 

Same thing goes for tanking too.  You can tank with almost no mods.  Just need to work at it.

 

I left almost over a year ago though. 

Boastful claims without any proof to back it up are just that, boastful claims.

I've been in a pug raid with a healer that had 500 more spellpower than me. He said he never used healing mods and was a top healer for his guild. I outhealed him consistently on every fight, and he was the same class I was. You know what made the difference, thats right a healing mod.

So those of you that claim mods are cheats you need to suck it up and utilize every LEGAL advantage you can, your group mates will be happier you did.

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by MMOman101

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

QFT. I cant see how these add ons differ from any other cheat.

 

I'm guessing neither of you guys raid heal.

 

You know what I find funny about this.  The belief that you need mods to be a good healer. 

 

I was a top raid healer for a top 10 guild and never used mods.  I remember once in the arena a team mate was commenting that I must have a bunch of mods.  I never told people the only thing I used was decursive and CT for the alerts. 

 

I honestly think if you set your screen up the same way each time and organize your hotkeys correctly you can be just as fast as anyone with a mod.

 

You just need the sack to try it on your own. 

 

Same thing goes for tanking too.  You can tank with almost no mods.  Just need to work at it.

 

I left almost over a year ago though. 

 

Boastful claims without any proof to back it up are just that, boastful claims.

I've been in a pug raid with a healer that had 500 more spellpower than me. He said he never used healing mods and was a top healer for his guild. I outhealed him consistently on every fight, and he was the same class I was. You know what made the difference, thats right a healing mod.

So those of you that claim mods are cheats you need to suck it up and utilize every LEGAL advantage you can, your group mates will be happier you did.

 

You do no need my approval to use cheats. Its a personal choice to do so or not. If you can feel your a better player while using them to out heal someone with 500 more spell power and can justify it with yourself then go ahead. But bragging about cheating to beat someone with higher skills is not something i  would feel right about.

All these mods are made using WoW's inbuilt LUA scripting engine, an engine powerful enough to create an in-game version of bejewled ( http://www2.popcap.com/promos/wow/ ), so they are not external hacks or cheats of any kind.

Blizzard has revised the scripting many times when they feel some part of the scripting engine is being abused or being used for what it was not intended.

So for the cheat debate, WoW Mods are not cheats. Some come close I will admit but its down to blizzard to decide that.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by MMOman101

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

QFT. I cant see how these add ons differ from any other cheat.

 

I'm guessing neither of you guys raid heal.

 

You know what I find funny about this.  The belief that you need mods to be a good healer. 

 

I was a top raid healer for a top 10 guild and never used mods.  I remember once in the arena a team mate was commenting that I must have a bunch of mods.  I never told people the only thing I used was decursive and CT for the alerts. 

 

I honestly think if you set your screen up the same way each time and organize your hotkeys correctly you can be just as fast as anyone with a mod.

 

You just need the sack to try it on your own. 

 

Same thing goes for tanking too.  You can tank with almost no mods.  Just need to work at it.

 

I left almost over a year ago though. 

 

Boastful claims without any proof to back it up are just that, boastful claims.

I've been in a pug raid with a healer that had 500 more spellpower than me. He said he never used healing mods and was a top healer for his guild. I outhealed him consistently on every fight, and he was the same class I was. You know what made the difference, thats right a healing mod.

So those of you that claim mods are cheats you need to suck it up and utilize every LEGAL advantage you can, your group mates will be happier you did.

 

You do no need my approval to use cheats. Its a personal choice to do so or not. If you can feel your a better player while using them to out heal someone with 500 more spell power and can justify it with yourself then go ahead. But bragging about cheating to beat someone with higher skills is not something i  would feel right about.

I'm pretty sure Blizzard would ban anything considered a cheat.
I can tell you a thing: hardmodes ARE balanced around healing mods. You simply can't do them with just target-and-start-casting. If you miss 0.2 seconds, then that player, or even worse, that group, will be dead.
See http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=61903 for example. It looks easy at first, 15000 damage+melee can be outhealed at a certain degree(although not at Ulduar ilvl). However, the hardmode of this encounter involves killing the boss who casts this the last, out of total of 3. Doing that, he will get a damage increase on everything he casts. Unless you dispell it in 1 second, the tank dies.
Can you actually say that you could do this in less than a second, when dispells are affected by GCD? You NEED addons to tell you when he does it and you NEED addons to dispell it fast. Or you could use a warlock's felhunter, but I doubt people will bring a felhunter which limits their DPS just to do YOUR duty.

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by MMOman101

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

QFT. I cant see how these add ons differ from any other cheat.

 

I'm guessing neither of you guys raid heal.

 

You know what I find funny about this.  The belief that you need mods to be a good healer. 

 

I was a top raid healer for a top 10 guild and never used mods.  I remember once in the arena a team mate was commenting that I must have a bunch of mods.  I never told people the only thing I used was decursive and CT for the alerts. 

 

I honestly think if you set your screen up the same way each time and organize your hotkeys correctly you can be just as fast as anyone with a mod.

 

You just need the sack to try it on your own. 

 

Same thing goes for tanking too.  You can tank with almost no mods.  Just need to work at it.

 

I left almost over a year ago though. 

 

Boastful claims without any proof to back it up are just that, boastful claims.

I've been in a pug raid with a healer that had 500 more spellpower than me. He said he never used healing mods and was a top healer for his guild. I outhealed him consistently on every fight, and he was the same class I was. You know what made the difference, thats right a healing mod.

So those of you that claim mods are cheats you need to suck it up and utilize every LEGAL advantage you can, your group mates will be happier you did.

 

You do no need my approval to use cheats. Its a personal choice to do so or not. If you can feel your a better player while using them to out heal someone with 500 more spell power and can justify it with yourself then go ahead. But bragging about cheating to beat someone with higher skills is not something i  would feel right about.

You have got to be a troll. I'm giving you 2/10 for being persistent with your ideas as stupid as they are.

Originally posted by Gikku

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by laephis

Originally posted by Reeper

Originally posted by cybermerc

Originally posted by grandpagamer

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

QFT. I cant see how these add ons differ from any other cheat.

 

I'm guessing neither of you guys raid heal.

Raid Heal all the time, but i do have to pay attention, i play the game for it is, i do keep from instance run where  a DK or Pali is Tanking, Priests have a harder time healing a tank that cant hold Agro on a Multi pull, 2- 3 complete heals and i have Agro, game over.
 

I haven't pulled aggro as a healer since TBC was launched.  Are you sure we're playing the same game?

And seriously guys, "cheats"?  I don't have a /rolleyes big enough for that kind of thinking.  These addons change the way your raid frames are laid out, giving you better information in a faster manner. 

Changing the game to your advantage, using programs aquired outside  the game. Yeah i call them cheats.

In a game like WoW with so much going on add ons are useful tools to make things clearer. Even Bliz is putting things in for that purpose one of which is the Armor change. They  also are not against add ons like many other games are.

If you are healing and you never draw aggro then I would have to think you aren't doing much healing. As even talented to lower it still draws some.  Timing is a big key too. But where you say you won't heal when a DK or Pally is tanking cause they can't hold aggro then you haven't been honored to have some of the ones I have. A Pally tank can not only hold aggro on multiple targets they are one of the best at it. A good DK tank can hold their own as well.

     A Pally or DK can Hold Agro with one or two mobs, some instances have area's where youll get multi mobs at once, 3-4 + mobs  the Paly and DK have real limits on Area effect Agro's so one, two, three, complete heals, (needed when more then 2 mobs are on the Tank) and one or two of those mobs are comen after you.

What Blizzard thinks is "cheating"

/trolling

/debate

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

It really has nothing to do with "Eliminating" mistakes.

It has to do with raid efficiency. Someone who is proficient with Healbot, Grid, Decursive ect. will always out perform the standard point click number pusher.

The players using these programs are faster than you, produce higher healing numbers than you hell let's just say it, they are better than you.

Regardless of what program they use to make it happen, they produce and outperform you in every area of healing.

I personally wouldn't take a healer into any 25's unless they had the mentioned addons and were very good at using them.

You can say your just as good of a healer as a player with these addons, but the fact of the matter is you are not.  Human reflexes wouldn't allow you to be that fast. Which is why players use them.

I am a healer, I use a modified version of Healbot combined with Decursive. I will also take the pepsie challenge against anyone who says they can produce the same or higher heal numbers and efficiency I can using nothing but a normal UI and number keys.

I will crush you and do it every time.

So long story short it isn't about using a crutch, it's about being a healer, and healers use Healbot, grid, decursive ect.

 

     A Pally or DK can Hold Agro with one or two mobs, some instances have area's where youll get multi mobs at once, 3-4 + mobs  the Paly and DK have real limits on Area effect Agro's so one, two, three, complete heals, (needed when more then 2 mobs are on the Tank) and one or two of those mobs are comen after you.

 

I am trying to figure out what game you are playing?

#1 - Paladin Tanks are now prolly the best tanks in WoW after the patch. DK being second.

#2 - I am a paladin healer. With holy lights criting up in the 20k+ range and I am a tank healer. It is funny that I know I out single target heal every priest I have ever played with, and heal the tank for 20k 20k 15k 20k 15k 15k 15k and NEVER pulled aggro.

So I am wondering, are your tanks super crappy where you play? Or are you just a terribad priest?

#3 - Come to think of it, I have never seen a priest pull aggro off a tank either.... Not since Vanilla wow. So.......

You do the math.

If your tanks are good then there isn't anything in the raid that is going to take aggro away from them not matter how many mobs are on them.

I will steer towards your server has craptastic tanks over you not being a good healer.

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

 

It really has nothing to do with "Eliminating" mistakes.

It has to do with raid efficiency. Someone who is proficient with Healbot, Grid, Decursive ect. will always out perform the standard point click number pusher.

The players using these programs are faster than you, produce higher healing numbers than you hell let's just say it, they are better than you.

Regardless of what program they use to make it happen, they produce and outperform you in every area of healing.

I personally wouldn't take a healer into any 25's unless they had the mentioned addons and were very good at using them.

You can say your just as good of a healer as a player with these addons, but the fact of the matter is you are not.  Human reflexes wouldn't allow you to be that fast. Which is why players use them.

I am a healer, I use a modified version of Healbot combined with Decursive. I will also take the pepsie challenge against anyone who says they can produce the same or higher heal numbers and efficiency I can using nothing but a normal UI and number keys.

I will crush you and do it every time.

So long story short it isn't about using a crutch, it's about being a healer, and healers use Healbot, grid, decursive ect.

   you got me, the individual that uses bumper rails at the bowling alley is better then me. no chance of getting a gutter ball, err eliminates the higher chance of mistakes?

     The player that usses the most computer assists will always be better then me, the player that uses all the Download Cheats for any game will be faster and more efficient then anyone that doesnt use the cheats,  like Mario game, unlimeted lives, you probably brag, "finnished the game in 20 minutes, im better then you"

   sports players that use drugs to inhance they're skills will be better then all those that dont,... or are they?, oh that cant be, if left to they're own skill, they couldnt compare, so, no they are not better then anyone, that person is just better then  he/she was before they got the crutch.

     what it comes down too is i play the game without all that, you dont have to respect that, but dont go looking for respect for yourself just becuse your computer can multi task so you dont have too.

Originally posted by Reeper

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

 

It really has nothing to do with "Eliminating" mistakes.

It has to do with raid efficiency. Someone who is proficient with Healbot, Grid, Decursive ect. will always out perform the standard point click number pusher.

The players using these programs are faster than you, produce higher healing numbers than you hell let's just say it, they are better than you.

Regardless of what program they use to make it happen, they produce and outperform you in every area of healing.

I personally wouldn't take a healer into any 25's unless they had the mentioned addons and were very good at using them.

You can say your just as good of a healer as a player with these addons, but the fact of the matter is you are not.  Human reflexes wouldn't allow you to be that fast. Which is why players use them.

I am a healer, I use a modified version of Healbot combined with Decursive. I will also take the pepsie challenge against anyone who says they can produce the same or higher heal numbers and efficiency I can using nothing but a normal UI and number keys.

I will crush you and do it every time.

So long story short it isn't about using a crutch, it's about being a healer, and healers use Healbot, grid, decursive ect.

 

   you got me, the individual that uses bumper rails at the bowling alley is better then me. no chance of getting a gutter ball, err eliminates the higher chance of mistakes?

     The player that usses the most computer assists will always be better then me, the player that uses all the Download Cheats for any game will be faster and more efficient then anyone that doesnt use the cheats,  like Mario game, unlimeted lives, you probably brag, "finnished the game in 20 minutes, im better then you"

   sports players that use drugs to inhance they're skills will be better then all those that dont,... or are they?, oh that cant be, if left to they're own skill, they couldnt compare, so, no they are not better then anyone, that person is just better then  he/she was before they got the crutch.

     what it comes down too is i play the game without all that, you dont have to respect that, but dont go looking for respect for yourself just becuse your computer can multi task so you dont have too.

I don't need respect, I am a healer, I do the job required by the raid, faster, better and more efficient than you.

Who is the raid going to take along, me, healing a full raid in 1/4 the time it takes you to change or target another player or you?
I am going to go out on a limb here and venture to say they will choose me.

Nice way to spin things, and good job calling things a cheat just because people are smarter at playing the game than you are.

Healbot and Grid have been out for years.... Blizzard has gone so far as to take the maker of glider to court over a cheat, but your telling me they can't stop healbot and grid if blizzard thought these to be cheats?

Good try, however Blizzard doesn't consider addons cheats, and to further this, some of the fight mechanics almost require them. Some of the 25 Uld and 25 ToC fights require at least 2 of your 4 healers to run these addons, because if they didn't there is no way in hell 4 point and click number pushers would ever keep 25 players up through the amount of damage they take in those encounters.

Hell some of them even with all 4 players USING the addons, they still can't keep the raid up due to speed. Think about what you say before you say it.

AND

No I do not respect anyone in a game that isn't willing to do what is needed to get a job done. You can blast all you want about being all natural, but natural doesn't equal talent in WoW. Just means you are slow, and to lazy to go get an addon.

The natural way is mistake and accident prone with sloth recovery time. The addon way, though you can still make a mistake usually doesn't cost 25 people a huge repair bill.

Good luck being a bad healer.

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by Reeper

Originally posted by skydragonren

Originally posted by Reeper

    I play the game with out all the assists, not real interrested in adding a program that play's the game for me, when i play a board game, i dont ask some one els to roll the dice for me.

      So if your creating a Party/Raid please ask " do you have programs that will illiminate mistakes? " we dont want to play a game of chance."      

 this way you dont get some one who plays the game without, Hand rails, Crutches, Bowling ally bumper rails.

 

 

It really has nothing to do with "Eliminating" mistakes.

It has to do with raid efficiency. Someone who is proficient with Healbot, Grid, Decursive ect. will always out perform the standard point click number pusher.

The players using these programs are faster than you, produce higher healing numbers than you hell let's just say it, they are better than you.

Regardless of what program they use to make it happen, they produce and outperform you in every area of healing.

I personally wouldn't take a healer into any 25's unless they had the mentioned addons and were very good at using them.

You can say your just as good of a healer as a player with these addons, but the fact of the matter is you are not.  Human reflexes wouldn't allow you to be that fast. Which is why players use them.

I am a healer, I use a modified version of Healbot combined with Decursive. I will also take the pepsie challenge against anyone who says they can produce the same or higher heal numbers and efficiency I can using nothing but a normal UI and number keys.

I will crush you and do it every time.

So long story short it isn't about using a crutch, it's about being a healer, and healers use Healbot, grid, decursive ect.

 

   you got me, the individual that uses bumper rails at the bowling alley is better then me. no chance of getting a gutter ball, err eliminates the higher chance of mistakes?

     The player that usses the most computer assists will always be better then me, the player that uses all the Download Cheats for any game will be faster and more efficient then anyone that doesnt use the cheats,  like Mario game, unlimeted lives, you probably brag, "finnished the game in 20 minutes, im better then you"

   sports players that use drugs to inhance they're skills will be better then all those that dont,... or are they?, oh that cant be, if left to they're own skill, they couldnt compare, so, no they are not better then anyone, that person is just better then  he/she was before they got the crutch.

     what it comes down too is i play the game without all that, you dont have to respect that, but dont go looking for respect for yourself just becuse your computer can multi task so you dont have too.

 

I don't need respect, I am a healer, I do the job required by the raid, faster, better and more efficient than you.

Who is the raid going to take along, me, healing a full raid in 1/4 the time it takes you to change or target another player or you?
I am going to go out on a limb here and venture to say they will choose me.

Nice way to spin things, and good job calling things a cheat just because people are smarter at playing the game than you are.

Healbot and Grid have been out for years.... Blizzard has gone so far as to take the maker of glider to court over a cheat, but your telling me they can't stop healbot and grid if blizzard thought these to be cheats?

Good try, however Blizzard doesn't consider addons cheats, and to further this, some of the fight mechanics almost require them. Some of the 25 Uld and 25 ToC fights require at least 2 of your 4 healers to run these addons, because if they didn't there is no way in hell 4 point and click number pushers would ever keep 25 players up through the amount of damage they take in those encounters.

Hell some of them even with all 4 players USING the addons, they still can't keep the raid up due to speed. Think about what you say before you say it.

AND

No I do not respect anyone in a game that isn't willing to do what is needed to get a job done. You can blast all you want about being all natural, but natural doesn't equal talent in WoW. Just means you are slow, and to lazy to go get an addon.

The natural way is mistake and accident prone with sloth recovery time. The addon way, though you can still make a mistake usually doesn't cost 25 people a huge repair bill.

Good luck being a bad healer.

  No reason to jump into a game  scared that you cant keep up  with your own skill. Blizz made the instances Hard and tough, but not unbeatable,  they designed the game to be challenging, a REAL team effort, dont think they consualted all the  independent UI creaters when they designed the game so it can only be completed with add ons.

    you dont do anything better or faster then me. your add ons do.

           you use your add ons, Steal, cheat, Boast all ya want, im sure there are plenty of Kids out there like you who expect it, and Need it.

                 "  the value of a man is not what he does, but what he does knowing theres no consequences."

 the last Post is yours im done here.

"No reason to jump into a game scared that you cant keep up with your own skill. Blizz made the instances Hard and tough, but not unbeatable, they designed the game to be challenging, a REAL team effort, dont think they consualted all the independent UI creaters when they designed the game so it can only be completed with add ons.

you dont do anything better or faster then me. your add ons do.

you use your add ons, Steal, cheat, Boast all ya want, im sure there are plenty of Kids out there like you who expect it, and Need it.

" the value of a man is not what he does, but what he does knowing theres no consequences."

the last Post is yours im done here."

I bet you think using a TV remote is cheating when there is a perfectly good channel changer on the TV.

Just because you think its a cheat, doesn't make it so. Blizzard is perfectly ok with us using mods.

   No reason to jump into a game  scared that you cant keep up  with your own skill. Blizz made the instances Hard and tough, but not unbeatable,  they designed the game to be challenging, a REAL team effort, dont think they consualted all the  independent UI creaters when they designed the game so it can only be completed with add ons.    you dont do anything better or faster then me. your add ons do.   you use your add ons, Steal, cheat, Boast all ya want, im sure there are plenty of Kids out there like you who expect it, and Need it.  "  the value of a man is not what he does, but what he does knowing theres no consequences."

 the last Post is yours im done here.

Cool Story Bro. Like I said good luck being a bad healer.