Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

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Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

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Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

Originally posted by Gameloading

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

Glad some people can forget about Katrina, or not even remember Ike in the first place. Of course Texans can't because we are still caring for those victims here. YEs, we are still taking care of Katrina victims from other states here in Texas. WE have provided them with food, shelter, and necessities since it happened and will continue to do so until they have a home to go home to, Though most of them have just decided to settle here instead.

 There are still many in need of help, just read the dates on the posts, is that history?

katrinavictims.org/

Help still months away for some Ike victims July 2009 

www.ikehelpcenter.org/

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

---

 

Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

Originally posted by Fishermage 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

epic assumption is slightly amusing

Originally posted by Wolfenpride

Originally posted by Fishermage 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

 

epic assumption is slightly amusing

Not an assumption at all. I am presenting a thoughtful conclusion made after years of study and thousands of examples being given yearly in the media -- and some in this very thread.

Obviously taking away the freedom of others is the only real thing that unites liberals. I can see no other thing they are 100% united on.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

---

 

Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

How long are you going to keep up your propaganda remarks? Because that's all they are. There is no rhyme or reason in it.

Here, let me ask you a simple question:

Due to the well known fact conservatives have been pushing against gay marriage, abortion, soft drugs, gay adoption, prostitution and to give creationism the free pass in public schools, are you willing to admit here and now that Conservatives, to use your words, "Hate liberty"?

Here is a nice list full of conservatives for you:
adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

Perhaps you, Faxxer and Outfctrl can study it together so you can get rid of the illusion that Conservatives are "freedom fighters" and see what they are like in reality. Conservatives are the greatest threat to personal freedom.

I often wonder how free an average Iraqi citizen feels walking the streets in his neighborhood?  How much choice does he have in developing his government?  Sorry I find many of these comments that others make about freedom strangly ironic if not down right hypocritical given they often support the limited freedoms of others.

I will always remember 9/11 and leave it at that...

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

---

 

Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

How long are you going to keep up your propaganda remarks? Because that's all they are. There is no rhyme or reason in it.

Here, let me ask you a simple question:

Due to the well known fact conservatives have been pushing against gay marriage, abortion, soft drugs, gay adoption, prostitution and to give creationism the free pass in public schools, are you willing to admit here and now that Conservatives, to use your words, "Hate liberty"?

Here is a nice list full of conservatives for you:
adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

Perhaps you, Faxxer and Outfctrl can study it together so you can get rid of the illusion that Conservatives are "freedom fighters" and see what they are like in reality. Conservatives are the greatest threat to personal freedom.

There are MANY conservatives who are against liberty -- but it's not what unites them. What unites conservatives is the principle of limited government and the rule of law -- although yes, they are hypocrites when they try to impose their will on others in some areas.

However, what unites liberals is the removal of people's freedom through socialism and fascism; that's a very big difference.

Conservatives are guilty of being hypocrites when they are against liberty; however, when liberals are against liberty they are being what defines them.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

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Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

How long are you going to keep up your propaganda remarks? Because that's all they are. There is no rhyme or reason in it.

Here, let me ask you a simple question:

Due to the well known fact conservatives have been pushing against gay marriage, abortion, soft drugs, gay adoption, prostitution and to give creationism the free pass in public schools, are you willing to admit here and now that Conservatives, to use your words, "Hate liberty"?

Here is a nice list full of conservatives for you:
adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

Perhaps you, Faxxer and Outfctrl can study it together so you can get rid of the illusion that Conservatives are "freedom fighters" and see what they are like in reality. Conservatives are the greatest threat to personal freedom.

 

There are MANY conservatives who are against liberty -- but it's not what unites them. What unites conservatives is the principle of limited government and the rule of law -- although yes, they are hypocrites when they try to impose their will on others in some areas.

However, what unites liberals is the removal of people's freedom through socialism and fascism; that's a very big difference.

Conservatives are guilty of being hypocrites when they are against liberty; however, when liberals are against liberty they are being what defines them.

You're forgetting one important aspect: That whole "Liberals are united against liberty" bullshit you have been spreading isn't reality. Don't confuse your own propaganda lines with actual reality. There have been many liberals, in fact probably a lot more than conservatives, who have been in favor of abortion, gay marriage, drug use and all of the other issues I mentioned.

In fact, personal freedom has always been a liberal trait as opposed to the christian conservative trait where everything that goes against their own moral values should be banned. It's no secret that liberal countries offer much more personal freedom when compared to countries with a bigger conservative population such as the United States.

Liberalism does not equal socialism or fascism, you seem to continue to mix up the two or you just like to call them the same because that's what propaganda spreaders do.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

---

 

Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

How long are you going to keep up your propaganda remarks? Because that's all they are. There is no rhyme or reason in it.

Here, let me ask you a simple question:

Due to the well known fact conservatives have been pushing against gay marriage, abortion, soft drugs, gay adoption, prostitution and to give creationism the free pass in public schools, are you willing to admit here and now that Conservatives, to use your words, "Hate liberty"?

Here is a nice list full of conservatives for you:
adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

Perhaps you, Faxxer and Outfctrl can study it together so you can get rid of the illusion that Conservatives are "freedom fighters" and see what they are like in reality. Conservatives are the greatest threat to personal freedom.

 

There are MANY conservatives who are against liberty -- but it's not what unites them. What unites conservatives is the principle of limited government and the rule of law -- although yes, they are hypocrites when they try to impose their will on others in some areas.

However, what unites liberals is the removal of people's freedom through socialism and fascism; that's a very big difference.

Conservatives are guilty of being hypocrites when they are against liberty; however, when liberals are against liberty they are being what defines them.

You're forgetting one important aspect: That whole "Liberals are united against liberty" bullshit you have been spreading isn't reality. Don't confuse your own propaganda lines with actual reality. There have been many liberals, in fact probably a lot more than conservatives, who have been in favor of abortion, gay marriage, drug use and all of the other issues I mentioned.

In fact, personal freedom has always been a liberal trait as opposed to the christian conservative trait where everything that goes against their own moral values should be banned. It's no secret that liberal countries offer much more personal freedom when compared to countries with a bigger conservative population such as the United States.

Liberalism does not equal socialism or fascism, you seem to continue to mix up the two or you just like to call them the same because that's what propaganda spreaders do.

Liberals, in some areas, DO advocate greater freedom, but they are being hypocrites when they do so. Their main uniting force is bigger government, supposedly in the name of 'compassion."

They are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use. They are united in taking away our economic liberty -- whether through socialism or fascism. Liberalism doesn't equal the two, and I never said so. Liberals however USE whatever tactics they can to take away people's freedom -- including fascism and socialism (syndicalism as well).  It is what defines them.

Conservatives are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use either, but they are united over the principles of limited government and rule of law -- completely opposite of liberals.

There is no division between personal freedom and economic freedom -- that is a false difference created by the left to justify the removal of freedom -- their ultimate goal. If my economic choices are controlled by government, in the end I have no choices. Nearly all human actions in the end have an economic component.

To say otherwise is worse than propaganda -- it's a bald-faced lie.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

---

 

Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

How long are you going to keep up your propaganda remarks? Because that's all they are. There is no rhyme or reason in it.

Here, let me ask you a simple question:

Due to the well known fact conservatives have been pushing against gay marriage, abortion, soft drugs, gay adoption, prostitution and to give creationism the free pass in public schools, are you willing to admit here and now that Conservatives, to use your words, "Hate liberty"?

Here is a nice list full of conservatives for you:
adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

Perhaps you, Faxxer and Outfctrl can study it together so you can get rid of the illusion that Conservatives are "freedom fighters" and see what they are like in reality. Conservatives are the greatest threat to personal freedom.

 

There are MANY conservatives who are against liberty -- but it's not what unites them. What unites conservatives is the principle of limited government and the rule of law -- although yes, they are hypocrites when they try to impose their will on others in some areas.

However, what unites liberals is the removal of people's freedom through socialism and fascism; that's a very big difference.

Conservatives are guilty of being hypocrites when they are against liberty; however, when liberals are against liberty they are being what defines them.

You're forgetting one important aspect: That whole "Liberals are united against liberty" bullshit you have been spreading isn't reality. Don't confuse your own propaganda lines with actual reality. There have been many liberals, in fact probably a lot more than conservatives, who have been in favor of abortion, gay marriage, drug use and all of the other issues I mentioned.

In fact, personal freedom has always been a liberal trait as opposed to the christian conservative trait where everything that goes against their own moral values should be banned. It's no secret that liberal countries offer much more personal freedom when compared to countries with a bigger conservative population such as the United States.

Liberalism does not equal socialism or fascism, you seem to continue to mix up the two or you just like to call them the same because that's what propaganda spreaders do.

 

Liberals, in some areas, DO advocate greater freedom, but they are being hypocrites when they do so. Their main uniting force is bigger government, supposedly in the name of 'compassion."

They are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use. They are united in taking away our economic liberty -- whether through socialism or fascism. Liberalism doesn't equal the two, and I never said so. Liberals however USE whatever tactics they can to take away people's freedom -- including fascism and socialism (syndicalism as well).  It is what defines them.

Conservatives are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use either, but they are united over the principles of limited government and rule of law -- completely opposite of liberals.

There is no division between personal freedom and economic freedom -- that is a false difference created by the left to justify the removal of freedom -- their ultimate goal. If my economic choices are controlled by government, in the end I have no choices. Nearly all human actions in the end have an economic component.

To say otherwise is worse than propaganda -- it's a bald-faced lie.

You have jumped through such enormous loops of logic to justify your own stereotypes that it's almost embarassing to read your posts. To suggest that all liberals share the same view on economic policies is downright retarded. There is no other way to describe it.

You are just so completely lost in your rage for everything that doesnt share your world view that you have actually managed to convince yourself that every liberal has the same opinion regarding economic. You have actually managed to convince yourself that liberals main goal is taking aways peoples freedom. Thats retarded, and yes i'll keep using that word because thats what your current view on liberals is: Retarded. It's out of this world, disorientated and not in touch with reality whatsoever.
To say: "Oh conservatives aren't connected about issues such as gay marriage and abortion but liberals are connected in that they want to take away freedom" because that happens to fit your own made up stereotype is retarded.

To say that taking away peoples freedom is what connects liberals, as if they all share the same opinion is retarded.

You keep repeating: I have read so many books! I have studied politics for years! 

but in reality it turns out you have absolutely no idea what the philosophy behind liberalism is. You have let your own rage for anything that dares to think differently from you get in the way of your own education. I suppose thats why you get along with Faxxer so well.

Liberalism's goal has always been to preserve individual rights and to maximize freedom of choice.

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Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

---

 

Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

How long are you going to keep up your propaganda remarks? Because that's all they are. There is no rhyme or reason in it.

Here, let me ask you a simple question:

Due to the well known fact conservatives have been pushing against gay marriage, abortion, soft drugs, gay adoption, prostitution and to give creationism the free pass in public schools, are you willing to admit here and now that Conservatives, to use your words, "Hate liberty"?

Here is a nice list full of conservatives for you:
adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

Perhaps you, Faxxer and Outfctrl can study it together so you can get rid of the illusion that Conservatives are "freedom fighters" and see what they are like in reality. Conservatives are the greatest threat to personal freedom.

 

There are MANY conservatives who are against liberty -- but it's not what unites them. What unites conservatives is the principle of limited government and the rule of law -- although yes, they are hypocrites when they try to impose their will on others in some areas.

However, what unites liberals is the removal of people's freedom through socialism and fascism; that's a very big difference.

Conservatives are guilty of being hypocrites when they are against liberty; however, when liberals are against liberty they are being what defines them.

You're forgetting one important aspect: That whole "Liberals are united against liberty" bullshit you have been spreading isn't reality. Don't confuse your own propaganda lines with actual reality. There have been many liberals, in fact probably a lot more than conservatives, who have been in favor of abortion, gay marriage, drug use and all of the other issues I mentioned.

In fact, personal freedom has always been a liberal trait as opposed to the christian conservative trait where everything that goes against their own moral values should be banned. It's no secret that liberal countries offer much more personal freedom when compared to countries with a bigger conservative population such as the United States.

Liberalism does not equal socialism or fascism, you seem to continue to mix up the two or you just like to call them the same because that's what propaganda spreaders do.

 

Liberals, in some areas, DO advocate greater freedom, but they are being hypocrites when they do so. Their main uniting force is bigger government, supposedly in the name of 'compassion."

They are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use. They are united in taking away our economic liberty -- whether through socialism or fascism. Liberalism doesn't equal the two, and I never said so. Liberals however USE whatever tactics they can to take away people's freedom -- including fascism and socialism (syndicalism as well).  It is what defines them.

Conservatives are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use either, but they are united over the principles of limited government and rule of law -- completely opposite of liberals.

There is no division between personal freedom and economic freedom -- that is a false difference created by the left to justify the removal of freedom -- their ultimate goal. If my economic choices are controlled by government, in the end I have no choices. Nearly all human actions in the end have an economic component.

To say otherwise is worse than propaganda -- it's a bald-faced lie.

You have jumped through such enormous loops of logic to justify your own stereotypes that it's almost embarassing to read your posts. To suggest that all liberals share the same view on economic policies is downright retarded. There is no other way to describe it.

You are just so completely lost in your rage for everything that doesnt share your world view that you have actually managed to convince yourself that every liberal has the same opinion regarding economic. You have actually managed to convince yourself that liberals main goal is taking aways peoples freedom. Thats retarded, and yes i'll keep using that word because thats what your current view on liberals is: Retarded. It's out of this world, disorientated and not in touch with reality whatsoever.

To say that taking away peoples freedom is what connects liberals, as if they all share the same opinion is retarded.

You keep repeating: I have read so many books! I have studied politics for years! 

but in reality it turns out you have absolutely no idea what the philosophy behind liberalism is. You have let your own rage for anything that dares to think differently from you get in the way of your own education. I suppose thats why you get along with Faxxer so well.

I haven't any rage; any anger -- you're the one who is getting upset here, declaring my opinions propaganda and retarded, when I am content to merely say you are wrong.

I have no problem or rage associated with your ill-informed and ignorant opinions; you just refuse to see what unites you and all the others on the left -- the desire to take away the freedom of others. You may disagree about a variety of social freedoms -- but what you all agree on is that taking people's freedom away is good.

I don't believe I've repeated how many books I have read here, yet I strongly suggest you start getting your information from more reputable sources than the websites that have taught you whatever it is you claim to "know."

Time to read a few books. You don't seem to even understand the terms you or I are actually using. This shows a profound ignorance that stems from getting all of one's knowledge from unchecked internet sources.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

---

 

Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

How long are you going to keep up your propaganda remarks? Because that's all they are. There is no rhyme or reason in it.

Here, let me ask you a simple question:

Due to the well known fact conservatives have been pushing against gay marriage, abortion, soft drugs, gay adoption, prostitution and to give creationism the free pass in public schools, are you willing to admit here and now that Conservatives, to use your words, "Hate liberty"?

Here is a nice list full of conservatives for you:
adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

Perhaps you, Faxxer and Outfctrl can study it together so you can get rid of the illusion that Conservatives are "freedom fighters" and see what they are like in reality. Conservatives are the greatest threat to personal freedom.

 

There are MANY conservatives who are against liberty -- but it's not what unites them. What unites conservatives is the principle of limited government and the rule of law -- although yes, they are hypocrites when they try to impose their will on others in some areas.

However, what unites liberals is the removal of people's freedom through socialism and fascism; that's a very big difference.

Conservatives are guilty of being hypocrites when they are against liberty; however, when liberals are against liberty they are being what defines them.

You're forgetting one important aspect: That whole "Liberals are united against liberty" bullshit you have been spreading isn't reality. Don't confuse your own propaganda lines with actual reality. There have been many liberals, in fact probably a lot more than conservatives, who have been in favor of abortion, gay marriage, drug use and all of the other issues I mentioned.

In fact, personal freedom has always been a liberal trait as opposed to the christian conservative trait where everything that goes against their own moral values should be banned. It's no secret that liberal countries offer much more personal freedom when compared to countries with a bigger conservative population such as the United States.

Liberalism does not equal socialism or fascism, you seem to continue to mix up the two or you just like to call them the same because that's what propaganda spreaders do.

 

Liberals, in some areas, DO advocate greater freedom, but they are being hypocrites when they do so. Their main uniting force is bigger government, supposedly in the name of 'compassion."

They are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use. They are united in taking away our economic liberty -- whether through socialism or fascism. Liberalism doesn't equal the two, and I never said so. Liberals however USE whatever tactics they can to take away people's freedom -- including fascism and socialism (syndicalism as well).  It is what defines them.

Conservatives are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use either, but they are united over the principles of limited government and rule of law -- completely opposite of liberals.

There is no division between personal freedom and economic freedom -- that is a false difference created by the left to justify the removal of freedom -- their ultimate goal. If my economic choices are controlled by government, in the end I have no choices. Nearly all human actions in the end have an economic component.

To say otherwise is worse than propaganda -- it's a bald-faced lie.

You have jumped through such enormous loops of logic to justify your own stereotypes that it's almost embarassing to read your posts. To suggest that all liberals share the same view on economic policies is downright retarded. There is no other way to describe it.

You are just so completely lost in your rage for everything that doesnt share your world view that you have actually managed to convince yourself that every liberal has the same opinion regarding economic. You have actually managed to convince yourself that liberals main goal is taking aways peoples freedom. Thats retarded, and yes i'll keep using that word because thats what your current view on liberals is: Retarded. It's out of this world, disorientated and not in touch with reality whatsoever.

To say that taking away peoples freedom is what connects liberals, as if they all share the same opinion is retarded.

You keep repeating: I have read so many books! I have studied politics for years! 

but in reality it turns out you have absolutely no idea what the philosophy behind liberalism is. You have let your own rage for anything that dares to think differently from you get in the way of your own education. I suppose thats why you get along with Faxxer so well.

 

I haven't any rage; any anger -- you're the one who is getting upset here, declaring my opinions propaganda and retarded, when I am content to merely say you are wrong.

I have no problem or rage associated with your ill-informed and ignorant opinions; you just refuse to see what unites you and all the others on the left -- the desire to take away the freedom of others. You may disagree about a variety of social freedoms -- but what you all agree on is that taking people's freedom away is good.

I don't believe I've repeated how many books I have read here, yet I strongly suggest you start getting your information from more reputable sources than the websites that have taught you whatever it is you claim to "know."

Time to read a few books. You don't seem to even understand the terms you or I are actually using. This shows a profound ignorance that stems from getting all of one's knowledge from unchecked internet sources.

I don't refuse to see what unites people on the left, I simply reject the stereotype you're trying to paint of every person on the left and liberals.

You can repeat your stereotypes as much as you want. Nobody is buying it and you only make yourself look stupid, ignorant and hateful.
The country I live in, famous all over the world for it's liberal attitude, was the first to legalize gay marriage. My country is also at the front of euthanasia, drugs, prostitution and abortion. The country I live in, this "Liberals that want to take away peoples freedom" is one of the most free societies in the world.

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

---

 

Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

How long are you going to keep up your propaganda remarks? Because that's all they are. There is no rhyme or reason in it.

Here, let me ask you a simple question:

Due to the well known fact conservatives have been pushing against gay marriage, abortion, soft drugs, gay adoption, prostitution and to give creationism the free pass in public schools, are you willing to admit here and now that Conservatives, to use your words, "Hate liberty"?

Here is a nice list full of conservatives for you:
adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

Perhaps you, Faxxer and Outfctrl can study it together so you can get rid of the illusion that Conservatives are "freedom fighters" and see what they are like in reality. Conservatives are the greatest threat to personal freedom.

 

There are MANY conservatives who are against liberty -- but it's not what unites them. What unites conservatives is the principle of limited government and the rule of law -- although yes, they are hypocrites when they try to impose their will on others in some areas.

However, what unites liberals is the removal of people's freedom through socialism and fascism; that's a very big difference.

Conservatives are guilty of being hypocrites when they are against liberty; however, when liberals are against liberty they are being what defines them.

You're forgetting one important aspect: That whole "Liberals are united against liberty" bullshit you have been spreading isn't reality. Don't confuse your own propaganda lines with actual reality. There have been many liberals, in fact probably a lot more than conservatives, who have been in favor of abortion, gay marriage, drug use and all of the other issues I mentioned.

In fact, personal freedom has always been a liberal trait as opposed to the christian conservative trait where everything that goes against their own moral values should be banned. It's no secret that liberal countries offer much more personal freedom when compared to countries with a bigger conservative population such as the United States.

Liberalism does not equal socialism or fascism, you seem to continue to mix up the two or you just like to call them the same because that's what propaganda spreaders do.

 

Liberals, in some areas, DO advocate greater freedom, but they are being hypocrites when they do so. Their main uniting force is bigger government, supposedly in the name of 'compassion."

They are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use. They are united in taking away our economic liberty -- whether through socialism or fascism. Liberalism doesn't equal the two, and I never said so. Liberals however USE whatever tactics they can to take away people's freedom -- including fascism and socialism (syndicalism as well).  It is what defines them.

Conservatives are not united on abortion, gay marriage, or drug use either, but they are united over the principles of limited government and rule of law -- completely opposite of liberals.

There is no division between personal freedom and economic freedom -- that is a false difference created by the left to justify the removal of freedom -- their ultimate goal. If my economic choices are controlled by government, in the end I have no choices. Nearly all human actions in the end have an economic component.

To say otherwise is worse than propaganda -- it's a bald-faced lie.

You have jumped through such enormous loops of logic to justify your own stereotypes that it's almost embarassing to read your posts. To suggest that all liberals share the same view on economic policies is downright retarded. There is no other way to describe it.

You are just so completely lost in your rage for everything that doesnt share your world view that you have actually managed to convince yourself that every liberal has the same opinion regarding economic. You have actually managed to convince yourself that liberals main goal is taking aways peoples freedom. Thats retarded, and yes i'll keep using that word because thats what your current view on liberals is: Retarded. It's out of this world, disorientated and not in touch with reality whatsoever.

To say that taking away peoples freedom is what connects liberals, as if they all share the same opinion is retarded.

You keep repeating: I have read so many books! I have studied politics for years! 

but in reality it turns out you have absolutely no idea what the philosophy behind liberalism is. You have let your own rage for anything that dares to think differently from you get in the way of your own education. I suppose thats why you get along with Faxxer so well.

 

I haven't any rage; any anger -- you're the one who is getting upset here, declaring my opinions propaganda and retarded, when I am content to merely say you are wrong.

I have no problem or rage associated with your ill-informed and ignorant opinions; you just refuse to see what unites you and all the others on the left -- the desire to take away the freedom of others. You may disagree about a variety of social freedoms -- but what you all agree on is that taking people's freedom away is good.

I don't believe I've repeated how many books I have read here, yet I strongly suggest you start getting your information from more reputable sources than the websites that have taught you whatever it is you claim to "know."

Time to read a few books. You don't seem to even understand the terms you or I are actually using. This shows a profound ignorance that stems from getting all of one's knowledge from unchecked internet sources.

I don't refuse to see what unites people on the left, I simply reject the stereotype you're trying to paint of every person on the left and liberals.

You can repeat your stereotypes as much as you want. Nobody is buying it and you only make yourself look stupid, ignorant and hateful.
The country I live in, famous all over the world for it's liberal attitude, was the first to legalize gay marriage. My country is also at the front of euthanasia, drugs, prostitution and abortion. The country I live in, this "Liberals that want to take away peoples freedom" is one of the most free societies in the world.

Then what unites people on the left? Come up with a better defining characteristic instead of acting like a child. If I am wrong, refuse and provide a better alternative.

I see no other uniting force among liberals other than the use of government to remove freedoms from people. Let's see you come up with another uniting force.

omg, enough with the quote train.

Originally posted by SgtFrog

omg, enough with the quote train.

The day people on this forum are intellectually sophisticated enough to understand the meaning of context is the day the quote trains can stop.

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Gameloading

Originally posted by Fishermage

Originally posted by Ekibiogami

Originally posted by popinjay

 

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Originally posted by deviliscious
To some of us it isn't " history".  Yeah, but to most people around the world it is history that happened nine years ago. That's pretty much the reality. No one alive who saw it will forget. Don't have to be told over and over not to.

 

Our families have lost loved ones that cannot be replaced. We lost entire fire departments that day, So many officers fallen, so many of our brave. Those wounds do not heal easily. There is a certain word called "closure", that only comes from.. closing something. To keep rehashing the events over and over and over doesn't let the "wounds heal". It's like picking a scab off a sore every year so of course it won't "heal".

If the fire departments wish to honor those that gave their lives  to save others, I say let them be.Don't have a problem with this. I just don't want to be paying civil servants year after year for "memorials". Plaques, school namings, dedications are good enough. Why are people wasting tax money on something that just goes on forever with no purpose other than to say "Never Forget", when probably no one who saw it that day EVER will.

Let them do it their way. If that means they use the trucks for the day, so be it. There were many  of the best and the brightest lost that day, it is not some distant memory, there are still children without fathers, parents without their children there For many of Americans , our lives were changed forever, and we will never be the same.Everyone who died that day wasn't the "best and the brightest" by any stretch. I'm sure there were out of almost 4,000 one or two deadbeats or whatever. I doubt there was a major brain drain when those people died. Fire companies and police departments in NEW YORK put out new civil service exams (not in Texas), Wall Street firms rehired and the market had rebounded after the disaster. Janitors were rehired to clean the new buildings and renovated ones damaged and food service attendants will be rehired when they open a bigger, better version of the restaurant that was in the buildings. No one is replaceable as history moves on and shows in any area of life. Again, they were special to their families and should remain so, but this idea of year after year grieving certainly needs a cap or something. It can still be remembered and certainly is in EVERY school book in America already, as it should be. But enough with the money and television "events". There are plenty of families who lost loved ones that day that would just as much rather NOT see this every year as it is very painful and everytime they think they get over it, here comes another "tribute".

To some of us this is just as painful today, as it was when it happened. This is an open gaping wound in the hearts and lives of Americans and it will heal in time, but that time has not yet come. Myabe one day, after the children of these fallen brave have passed from this world, it will be considered history, but that day has not yet come.

Again, you don't get over something by constantly reliving it, that should be apparent. It's time to let it go and place it in its proper place in history as a monumental event; not as a "Special broadcast of ..." or "a limited lifetime edition commemorative plate of only 1/10,000 firings" or some cheesy bumper stickers. Let's move on and stop ripping off the scabs. It's time to move on and put the black clothes away instead of dusting them off to wear every September.
 
 

---

 

Again, not trying to be callous, but there is a such thing as proper grieving and I'm pretty sure this one has run it's course publicly. No one runs a yearly "Lockerbie Scotland memorial" and it's certainly not appropriate anymore. It's history. I certainly don't know whats the "official" length of a public grieving when deaths occur but if we haven't gotten there yet, it's almost a decade coming so it's got to be close.

 

I think the Iraq war is so closely linked (because Bush did so publicly and incorrectly) that whenever people see/think of those vets, they always think of 9/11 because tons of kids ran out and joined up only to get blown up or mindfried after being over there, so 9/11 will never be forgotten.
 

 

And Liberals Wonder Why no One likes them... >.<

 

They show time and again that they really have zero compassion or empathy for others, This leads one to logically assume that they must have some other motive for wanting to take away the freedom of other people - something other than the 'compassion" they claim is their reason.

We can see time and time again, their end really  is the same as their means. They want to take away freedom for its own sake -- they are simply anti freedom as such and use compassion as their excuse and justification. No lofty goals, nothing like that at all. Just a fear of liberty and a desire to stamp ot out at all costs.

 

While your attempt at trying to spin this thread into another " Liberuls dunt like freedum!!11" is both predictable and laughable and shows you're a hypocrite  (Go ask the average conservative what they think of gay marriage, prostitution, abortion or soft drugs. Go ahead, do it)

Just because he doesn't want to have a tribute to these people every year does not mean that he has shown no compassion or empathy. Do you hold memorials for every person that ever died in an attack or Disaster? Ofcourse you don't. Heck, most people already forgot about Katrina.

There is a bit of irony that this is comming from you.
"Teh libruls wantz to takes all teh tax moneys! they r taking away our freedumz!"
Popinjay: I don't think I should have to pay for that memorial
"LULZWTFS Libruls have no compassions r emphaty!11111!!11

I see you gladly confirm the libertarian stereotype once more: They thinks taxes are fine whenever it benefits them.

 

The one thing "liberals" are united on is a hatred of liberty. Everything else is secondary to your ultimate goals.

How long are you going to keep up your propaganda remarks? Because that's all they are. There is no rhyme or reason in it.

Here, let me ask you a simple question:

Due to the well known fact conservatives have been pushing against gay marriage, abortion, soft drugs, gay adoption, prostitution and to give creationism the free pass in public schools, are you willing to admit here and now that Conservatives, to use your words, "Hate liberty"?

Here is a nice list full of conservatives for you:
adultthought.ucsd.edu/Culture_War/The_American_Taliban.html

Perhaps you, Faxxer and Outfctrl can study it together so you can get rid of the illusion that Conservatives are "freedom fighters" and see what they are like in reality. Conservatives are the greatest threat to personal freedom.

 

There are MANY conservatives who are against liberty -- but it's not what unites them. What unites conservatives is the principle of limited government and the rule of law -- although yes, they are hypocrites when they try to impose their will on others in some areas.

However, what unites liberals is the removal of people's freedom through socialism and fascism; that's a very big difference.

Conservatives are guilty of being hypocrites when they are against liberty; however, when liberals are against liberty they are being what defines them.

Very well said Fishemage

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