Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by bloodaxes

That's why YOU SHOULD NEVER HARDCORE IN BETAS!!!!

 

If people are getting bored after a few days...what draw will there be to keep playing this game 6+ months? 

Tread softly Eben, for you tread on fanboi dreams.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

That's why YOU SHOULD NEVER HARDCORE IN BETAS!!!!

Alot of people are experiance pre-launch burn-out because of going hardcore in betas playing all these different characters. Beta is meant for locating bugs. Unfortunately if you dont try to limit yourself you wont want to play the game anymore. That is a major issue with open beta if not dont correctly. Or in this case closed beta. Now... the only reason I am buying this game is because I tested the CB and it fits my playstyles as a gamer. I suggest anyone that possibly has altism stay away from playing more then 1 character to about 20 or so to get an idea of the game.

Originally posted by LtJohnnyRico

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by bloodaxes

That's why YOU SHOULD NEVER HARDCORE IN BETAS!!!!

 

If people are getting bored after a few days...what draw will there be to keep playing this game 6+ months? 

 

Tread softly Eben, for you tread on fanboi dreams.

To keep this in context it is not a matter of being bored in a few days. Having played for a most of CB  with multiple toons when OB started I realized how much of a re-hash it would be and that I would have to re-hash yet again on release.

In regards to "never hardcore in beta" driving through as much content as possbile to report bugs and gameplay issues is kinda the point. more to the point,

I think i would get this way after my second character after release too. it really will feel like a bit of a grind to ramp another character. Don't get me wrong, the content, though a little typical, was solid the first go around and I really enjoyed it but I think replay will be limited. AGAIN, if you look at EQ, WOW, Vanguard (not baring its other issues) they had multiple starting areas with many races and classes and it felt different to go through the different starting zones.This made it more enjoyable to replay or ramp another character up. 

 With Aion, you got two starting zones with much the same story and the same classes. As much as I enjoyed the first pass or two I did not want to do it again when OB came around and was considering whether or not I would want to on release.

All the systems in this game encourage you to keep with 1 character, there's little replayability, but you dont have to create alts unless you want, since the endgame content is huge. Im sure they'll add better replayability as expansions come by, but as it is now, try to stick with 1 character and max it as much as you can, by then, new things will come.

Originally posted by dougmysticey

Originally posted by LtJohnnyRico

Originally posted by Eben

Originally posted by bloodaxes

That's why YOU SHOULD NEVER HARDCORE IN BETAS!!!!

 

If people are getting bored after a few days...what draw will there be to keep playing this game 6+ months? 

 

Tread softly Eben, for you tread on fanboi dreams.

 

To keep this in context it is not a matter of being bored in a few days. Having played for a most of CB  with multiple toons when OB started I realized how much of a re-hash it would be and that I would have to re-hash yet again on release.

In regards to "never hardcore in beta" driving through as much content as possbile to report bugs and gameplay issues is kinda the point. more to the point,

I think i would get this way after my second character after release too. it really will feel like a bit of a grind to ramp another character. Don't get me wrong, the content, though a little typical, was solid the first go around and I really enjoyed it but I think replay will be limited. AGAIN, if you look at EQ, WOW, Vanguard (not baring its other issues) they had multiple starting areas with many races and classes and it felt different to go through the different starting zones.This made it more enjoyable to replay or ramp another character up. 

 With Aion, you got two starting zones with much the same story and the same classes. As much as I enjoyed the first pass or two I did not want to do it again when OB came around and was considering whether or not I would want to on release.

Well I can't say for you and everyone else but I know myself when I play/test a beta that will wipe eventually I get easily burned out so I tend to only test the first few levels for example I only got scout to assassin lvl 10 I think and got to first town then never played it again.

It was enjoyable? yes but should I risk making myself bored so I wouldn't play a game when it's gonna go live? hell no I know my limits and I do till I know I won't get burned out.

Now I'm telling all for the sake of people that really enjoy/enjoyed aion playing because I won't play it sadly because pvp is not my favourite aspect in a game I prefer the story, pve environment, dungeons, bosses, ecc so don't think I'm just flaming you or anything.

The battle system is amazing and for the first time I could use more then once back attacks even without the use of stuns and/or blind,ecc *ehem* wow *ehem* and even watching some arena 1 vs 1 fights showed how epic a fight can be were fights last longer then 5-20 seconds(depends class vs class ofc)

I saw some were in a thread on this site you can start participate in "arena!" from some level 10 ques and up.

 like i said in may and at almost all beta here,this game is good but enough to be worth paying all they ak for it .

for me the answer in may was HELL NO,and lasT sunday ,it was again hell no but for completely different  reason

this game ids they only charged monthly fee i would say its worth it but not the price they ask there are plenty of equally good game that cost less or even f2p

check lotr its 9.99 /month you cant beat that

^ You always keep on naming those "special" f2p games that are equally good as the p2p games could you name me at least one?

And please don't say dungeons and dragons and/or the chronicles of spellborn because they were p2p and they failed BUT still were developed in hope to succeed in p2p department.

OP I think you have a perfectly rational and valid point here. I felt the same way...

The first 10 levels are boring. I enjoyed it the firs time through, but much less the next two times. What's worse is the fact that both factions have almost exactly the same beginning. They may be unique zones, but the flow and quest progression there feels identical. It makes it very difficult to play through multiple times...

It reminds me a lot of Age of Conan. The first time I played through the first levels of that game was great. But because it is EXACTLY the same beginning every single time, it makes it very difficult to re-roll. I guess I'm just spoiled by games like WOW where real effort was put into giving players choices over where to go right from the beginning...

do not get burn out in a beta its a good principle.. cos if you do.. games dead for you.. or almost.

I saw people already close to 30 etc.. nonsense.. its just a beta.. play it wihotu stress hehe

Originally posted by drbaltazar

 like i said in may and at almost all beta here,this game is good but enough to be worth paying all they ak for it .

for me the answer in may was HELL NO,and lasT sunday ,it was again hell no but for completely different  reason

this game ids they only charged monthly fee i would say its worth it but not the price they ask there are plenty of equally good game that cost less or even f2p

check lotr its 9.99 /month you cant beat that

lotro imho is a completely different type of mmo then Aion, you cant even come close to comparing them.

LOTRO is worth $9.99 imo, because I think it doesnt compare in quality with Aion. I think at least imho that Aion is worthy of a $14,99 fee.

I played LOTRO and I think it is a very nice looking game, good game design concepts...how ever the combat and the fun value in the game was not at all my cup of tea. Besides I have already read the books and watched the movie, I want something new. I dont want to pay Turbine $10 a month to re-live LOTRO everyday...especially when the gameplay is lacking and they arent even staying with the lore like they are supposed to. (Lore-master or that new mage class anyone?)

[quote=]Aion may not keep me even though it is a fine game. Future games may not keep me either unless they start to enhance the replayability and create a more interesting way to make and start new characters.[/quote]

Future or past games need not worry, Aion is the only one with such a totally static, limited and linear leveling system.

Well maybe not the only one.  I'm sure there's plenty of f2p games that basically herd you through the first 20 levels in only one possible way.

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Sorry but your too wow fan and almost all your points have been already been explained in previous threads still you insist on calling them "game breakers"

1] I barely ever seen anyone stating that aion would be a wow killer not even ncsoft thinks it will.

2] No one apart of the korean, chinese have seen the bosses yet probably the one you said in some thread was an elite or mini boss call it whatever you want.

3] Classes are pretty balanced and assassins were always a class that many like but surely when it goes live it won't be half of the population for sure your exagerating.

4] I didn't try pvp I admit it but it surely has it's funcions you probably never tried it and/or researched on it.

5] Some people that give advice were playing the chinese version so they know more then us and some of the silly questions/points being said can be found on the aion fanbase sites.

6] Again your assuming that aion battles are easy as wow were you can kill an enemy in 5-20 seconds, auto follow WON'T help you in pvp unless all your enemies are dumb enough to move only with auto follow and never use a keyboard which I'm 100% sure they will use a keyboard then auto follow.

There are some other ridiculus things you said but you seem to don't get that most of your bad points are easily explained but anyways if you don't like the game ok so be it but there's no need to bash it go play wow if you like it that much no one will tell you anything until you don't be an ass and troll all games that are being released.

Originally posted by bloodaxes

That's why YOU SHOULD NEVER HARDCORE IN BETAS!!!!

QTF. i had been playing Aion since the korean test server, and once i could play the american betas i didn't. mainly because i really didn't want to remake my charater a total of 5 times and i had like 4 alts. once we get it for real i'll play 1 character a long time before i start anotehr one. mainly because the main reason i make a ton of alts when i start a game is to see wich i like the best, well i already know wich i want as a main.

but Aion has the same problem that AoC had for me, 1 starting area, some people think tortage was great, i freaking hated it. i make alts to try the classes out, well i hadn't tried all the classes out i wanted to try before i was sick of tortage/AoC. I think NC made a mistake having all those betas for months before release and capping people into the low areas, specially since the lowbie areas is where the game is lacking.

I love the game not trashing, but i'm not blind to the faults i see (aka the starter areas). i know we're not in them long, but the poor bastards that played the betas and was stuck in them for months are going to be very sick of them by the time the game launches.

So by your statement if for example a priest on wow would pvp in battlegrounds,ecc for a whole year and never spends the honor and reaches the top chart then priest is overpowered?

lol good thinking there....

Originally posted by nuififun

I know what the problem is... you want to like Aion you WANT to play it, you like MMO games, you generally enjoy them, you've had a positive expectation and for a short time things seemed to go as planned, however your subconcious has surfaced the reality of the game to your concious level and this has manifested in a lack of desire to play.

This is excatly it. At least for me. I levelled to 11 and kinda liking the game... then suddenly... this thought arises.. WTF I'm doing here killing these little crabs pressing for the 8447th time the same buttons.

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Who called you troll into the discussion again? Can you for once keep your blizzard-fanboi propanda out of a thread?

Your roaming, bashing and constant praising of WoW through all games' forums is nothing but pure trolling and you really made yourself look stupid more often than you looked smart with whatever "facts" you pull out of your fanboi-hat.

And what kind of crap do you drivel about 10-animal kill quests and the state of MMORPGs when you play WoW yourself? Go, look and grind your daylies over and over again to get the 40th faction to exhalted before talking about other games' "kill 10 animals" quests.

And about domination of Assassins? You must have missed the times when in WoW rogues where on top of the food chain more than once and way before "world of roguecraft". I remember well, i was there...but i guess that was back before your time in WoW.

And as to the "state of mmorpgs": Guess what, along with the whole genre for many many players WoW is also in the sorriest state it's ever been in, and Blizzard doesnt even camouflage it just as well! But i'm not going to derail the thread any further going into it. Ask some vets about your own game, as you don't seem to be one.

Originally posted by dougmysticey

I played Aion in CB and really enjoyed it. Got a couple of characters into the 20 + level range and found I liked the PVP elements too.

So then OB starts and get it all loaded up, create my first toon and start to play. Well, I know lots of people like myself had lag issues due to some ISP, blah, blah but that is not the issue.

I found myself not wanting to do it again. I know my toon will be wiped at the end of OB and just did not feel like grinding through the same stuff for the 5th time only to do it again on release. Then I was thinking, do I really want to do that on release too? I was suprised because I enjoyed the game a great deal.

At any rate, I am now debating on whether to keep my pre-order or not. hmmm....I will have to think on that.

The real issue of discussion here is that most of the MMOs have the same starting static points and ramping up new characters may give you a few different options but is it enough.  Some offer a little variety. Aion has basically two starting zone depending on which race you pick but essentially they start and progress much the same way "Wake up, you need to get up and kills some basic puds and then move on to the first town and some quests".  No real variety between the two.

With AOC it was one starting location but you could make a few choices of where to go to get most of your early leveling done (White Sands Isle, The ruins, or t he Underhalls). Ulitmately you had to do some of each and it was not enough variety.

Champions Online is great fun but there is no way to skip the tutorial (thank god it is not long) and then you have a choice of two locations. This needs to be expanded because the making alternate heroes with different powers is a big deal in a supers game.

Fallen Earth had the right idea. Skill based so you can vary the characters, mutliple starting zones and factions. it falls short, in my opinion, with the execution and gameplay though. Game was just not for me.

I harken back to the original EQ. Many starting locations, many races, many classes and all started and felt different. Same with WOW and Vanguard. Lately though, they all basically give little variety and if you want to ramp up multiple toons it is a snore fest after the 3rd time or so.

Aion may not keep me even though it is a fine game. Future games may not keep me either unless they start to enhance the replayability and create a more interesting way to make and start new characters.

Reasonable post, thank you. I give you half a star extra for not mentioning Wo_ (censored)

Originally posted by bloodaxes

That's why YOU SHOULD NEVER HARDCORE IN BETAS!!!!

Truth has been spoken.