Originally posted by finaticd

I don't know why you would argue on a point that has driven many AoC player away and the consensus of current AoC players is the end game content is lacking today and the most common options are to reroll, wait for X content patch, or quit .

Ya T2 is tank and spank or kite and spank....I know pre stat change, guilds would throw tanks at bosses until they ran out of tanks or killed the boss makin it pretty random but now it is tank and spank...It surely is no BWL, AQ 40, or esp Naxx. AoC no longer has "Raiding guilds" of the calibur that downed stuff at release so perhaps the perspective is off about how easy the T2 content is.

War which I didn't mention had 4 end game single group instances at release compared to 1 single group AoC instance at release and 2 of those instances were pretty epic in size as they had multiple wings. Also, all 4 of those instances were better done than anything AoC had PvE wise at release. TBO I loved the War instances but the lock outs were pretty lame and the absense of raid content made me sad also you needed a dedicated group to do those single group instances.

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Comparing number of instances is pretty deceptive as every single instance WoW made except 1 (Ony) has many bosses and stuff compared to the single boss instance of AoC.  If you compare then WoW had about 10 times the group content as AoC has now and about 4 times the raid content as AoC does not a year after release. You also forgot the 5 contested raid bosses Warcraft.

Who cares about solo instances? Warcraft especialy and Warhammer had a few places to go quest or PvP at level cap while everyone at cap in AoC hangs out in the single open zone so in conparison AoC just doesn't have much content.

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Look AoC's market is for casual people who don't play often enough to do every thing, I'm serious as the head dev said that most people are not level capped over a year after release so Funcom just isn't worried about producing end game content. There are many issues in AoC but broken PvP and not enough content for PvE endgame are major issues that have driven away many a veteran and I'm sure was one of the issues that kept win backs from resubbing. Don't blame me blame Funcom.

 

 

 

1.06 is only endgame content. So more of your fails please 

Originally posted by finaticd

I don't know why you would argue on a point that has driven many AoC player away and the consensus of current AoC players is the end game content is lacking today and the most common options are to reroll, wait for X content patch, or quit .

Ya T2 is tank and spank or kite and spank....I know pre stat change, guilds would throw tanks at bosses until they ran out of tanks or killed the boss makin it pretty random but now it is tank and spank...It surely is no BWL, AQ 40, or esp Naxx. AoC no longer has "Raiding guilds" of the calibur that downed stuff at release so perhaps the perspective is off about how easy the T2 content is.

The endgame in AoC is lacking, I don't think anyone ever have denied this? However it does have a decent amount of things to do. AoC after a year had more group instances then WoW, about the same amount of raid instances. The biggest difference was that WoW's raid instances all were a lot larger. MC, BWL, ZG, AQ all contained more bosses and took longer time to finish then all of AoC's T1 raids. Vistrix is 1 boss, Kylliki is 2 bosses and Yakhmar is 1 boss. Most of these are a typical tank'n'spank encounter. Some variations but like most MMO's the basic lies with the tank holding aggro and the other do the damage. T2 raids are in basic tank'n'spank too, however they are "harder" in the term of people have to focus and do the right things. Yaremka and Ahazu are 2 encounters that isn't hard once the raid know's the tactics, but if half the raid don't know it or what to do the encounters become close to impossible. Just like Vanilla WoW raiding which wasn't hard if everyone knew what to do, but it would be painful if someone in the raid screwed up. Some of the bosses in T2 are just tank'nspank, other involve a lot more movement and need for everyone to pay attention. AoC isn't a hardcore raid game. T2 isn't too hard, it can be rather easy once everyone know's what to do.  Pre stat change a  lot of the bosses where bugged, you could abuse them by using the meatshield tactic or kite them around forever. The lasts raid I did a lot of these was fixed and suddenly the encounters were more fun, now you were forced to do it the proper way.

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 Look AoC's market is for casual people who don't play often enough to do every thing, I'm serious as the head dev said that most people are not level capped over a year after release so Funcom just isn't worried about producing end game content. There are many issues in AoC but broken PvP and not enough content for PvE endgame are major issues that have driven away many a veteran and I'm sure was one of the issues that kept win backs from resubbing. Don't blame me blame Funcom.

Again I see you make this statement with PvP is broken, and again I ask you how is it broken. The fact you are not able to provide the link to the post you mentioned you had written, or describe how it is broken indicates you are clueless to the state of it. Also when was the last time you played AoC? Since you seem to have such a knowledge about the state of the game. :) Aren't Funcom producing endgame content these last months? They have been making load of content for the mid range and such yes, but there was a very natural reason for it. Loads of players stopped playing when they hit level 50ish due to running out of quests and things to do. Endgame content is needed more of in AoC, you will have to be slightly insane to claim that AoC has more then enough of it.

But seriously what is it that makes PvP broken for you?

 

 

There are a bunch of links about broken PvP here sourced from current players www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/249441/page/1

Originally posted by nihce

 Signal once again you are wrong.  Definition of troll:

1b. Noun
A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.

1c. Noun
A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others. Someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them. Trolls often go by multiple names to circumvent getting banned.
 

 

A lot of Pro AoC people do this over and over on this site and others. In fact spamming the word "troll" over and over is a form of trolling.

 I'm enjoying AOC. Powerleveling guildies with my pom every day while pvping 24/7. Just the pvp action alone with friends will keep you playing. It's a great game with good graphics and I'm still enjoying it after 2 months of coming back from a long break. It has realistic graphics that look good and fun gameplay.

Some will have fun playing AoC. But you do not have to be a rocket scientist to figure out it lacks stuff compared to WoW. People spend money on games which has content, Blizzard and WoW cash in. Voila!

Originally posted by xfrozenx

 I'm enjoying AOC. Powerleveling guildies with my pom every day while pvping 24/7. Just the pvp action alone with friends will keep you playing. It's a great game with good graphics and I'm still enjoying it after 2 months of coming back from a long break. It has realistic graphics that look good and fun gameplay.

It was the PvP mechanics that kept me playing too, and I still thinks about resubbing every now and then due to the PvP and how it worked. But first I have to get my PC fixed, then I would have to get some spare time. Started with paintball and buying a xbox360 have kind of taken some of the spare time I had for MMO's :P

I am happy with the game. I think most of the complaints are trivial or flat out unwarrented.  I just have not had their problems, don't know, don't care what the difference is.

Originally posted by Lobbyboy69

After playing AoC again recently its not a bad mmo anymore. Its getting better, although still many problems. They probably will keep improving it slowly. But saying its the best MMO op is the biggest over statement I have ever heard. If it was the best it would have more than the 100k players playing it. Its probably about 6th on my list, and way down on most other peoples.

But if you enjoy it, then keep playing it. Im guessing it must be your first MMO though if you think AoC is the best MMO out there.

How come every single person that says "X game isn't the best MMO" never actually lists what their favorite MMO is?  It sort of makes me... not care about what you say at all. 

I just won this game on Ebay for $3.00, yet I feel like I just got ripped off after reading the forums lol. Oh well, I hope I have fun.

Oh and it was $0.01 with $2.99 shipping. The fact that nobody else bid on it set off a few alarms lol.

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by xfrozenx

 I'm enjoying AOC. Powerleveling guildies with my pom every day while pvping 24/7. Just the pvp action alone with friends will keep you playing. It's a great game with good graphics and I'm still enjoying it after 2 months of coming back from a long break. It has realistic graphics that look good and fun gameplay.

 

It was the PvP mechanics that kept me playing too, and I still thinks about resubbing every now and then due to the PvP and how it worked. But first I have to get my PC fixed, then I would have to get some spare time. Started with paintball and buying a xbox360 have kind of taken some of the spare time I had for MMO's :P

Common theme. The game is around 50/50 participants whose premise is PvP/PvE. The PvP mechanics are fun and this is why there are a large portion of players who play just for the PvP.

If they (roughly) 50% of players weren't happy they would be gone a long time ago when more PvP marketed games came out (WAR/DF/PotBS) Those that posted in these forums at that time (and I remember distinctly having several long conversations with them) now don't play those games either. Maybe this is something in general.

I think AoC has more staying power now than those games, and more potential in everything mmorpg.

I like where the game is going and the development is focused so, yes, I am happy with the game in this area and from enjoying both PvP and PvE.

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by xfrozenx

 I'm enjoying AOC. Powerleveling guildies with my pom every day while pvping 24/7. Just the pvp action alone with friends will keep you playing. It's a great game with good graphics and I'm still enjoying it after 2 months of coming back from a long break. It has realistic graphics that look good and fun gameplay.

 

It was the PvP mechanics that kept me playing too, and I still thinks about resubbing every now and then due to the PvP and how it worked. But first I have to get my PC fixed, then I would have to get some spare time. Started with paintball and buying a xbox360 have kind of taken some of the spare time I had for MMO's :P

 

Common theme. The game is around 50/50 participants whose premise is PvP/PvE. The PvP mechanics are fun and this is why there are a large portion of players who play just for the PvP.

If they (roughly) 50% of players weren't happy they would be gone a long time ago when more PvP marketed games came out (WAR/DF/PotBS) Those that posted in these forums at that time (and I remember distinctly having several long conversations with them) now don't play those games either. Maybe this is something in general.

I think AoC has more staying power now than those games, and more potential in everything mmorpg.

I like where the game is going and the development is focused so, yes, I am happy with the game in this area and from enjoying both PvP and PvE.

You can't just make up numbers, used to the PvPers were the overwhelming majority and now they are the minority. Aion looks good, but most players left so the remaining players can not be labeled as PvE or PvP, they  in general are "Casual" as most are not at level cap.

Originally posted by finaticd

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by xfrozenx

 I'm enjoying AOC. Powerleveling guildies with my pom every day while pvping 24/7. Just the pvp action alone with friends will keep you playing. It's a great game with good graphics and I'm still enjoying it after 2 months of coming back from a long break. It has realistic graphics that look good and fun gameplay.

 

It was the PvP mechanics that kept me playing too, and I still thinks about resubbing every now and then due to the PvP and how it worked. But first I have to get my PC fixed, then I would have to get some spare time. Started with paintball and buying a xbox360 have kind of taken some of the spare time I had for MMO's :P

 

Common theme. The game is around 50/50 participants whose premise is PvP/PvE. The PvP mechanics are fun and this is why there are a large portion of players who play just for the PvP.

If they (roughly) 50% of players weren't happy they would be gone a long time ago when more PvP marketed games came out (WAR/DF/PotBS) Those that posted in these forums at that time (and I remember distinctly having several long conversations with them) now don't play those games either. Maybe this is something in general.

I think AoC has more staying power now than those games, and more potential in everything mmorpg.

I like where the game is going and the development is focused so, yes, I am happy with the game in this area and from enjoying both PvP and PvE.

 

You can't just make up numbers, used to the PvPers were the overwhelming majority and now they are the minority. Aion looks good, but most players left so the remaining players can not be labeled as PvE or PvP, they  in general are "Casual" as most are not at level cap.

You point out someone for making up numbers, then procede to make up your own.

You have no way of actually knowing that pvpers were a majority and are now a minority, your assuming that based how you felt during the winback.

Originally posted by crunchyblack

Originally posted by finaticd

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Crashloop

Originally posted by xfrozenx

 I'm enjoying AOC. Powerleveling guildies with my pom every day while pvping 24/7. Just the pvp action alone with friends will keep you playing. It's a great game with good graphics and I'm still enjoying it after 2 months of coming back from a long break. It has realistic graphics that look good and fun gameplay.

 

It was the PvP mechanics that kept me playing too, and I still thinks about resubbing every now and then due to the PvP and how it worked. But first I have to get my PC fixed, then I would have to get some spare time. Started with paintball and buying a xbox360 have kind of taken some of the spare time I had for MMO's :P

 

Common theme. The game is around 50/50 participants whose premise is PvP/PvE. The PvP mechanics are fun and this is why there are a large portion of players who play just for the PvP.

If they (roughly) 50% of players weren't happy they would be gone a long time ago when more PvP marketed games came out (WAR/DF/PotBS) Those that posted in these forums at that time (and I remember distinctly having several long conversations with them) now don't play those games either. Maybe this is something in general.

I think AoC has more staying power now than those games, and more potential in everything mmorpg.

I like where the game is going and the development is focused so, yes, I am happy with the game in this area and from enjoying both PvP and PvE.

 

You can't just make up numbers, used to the PvPers were the overwhelming majority and now they are the minority. Aion looks good, but most players left so the remaining players can not be labeled as PvE or PvP, they  in general are "Casual" as most are not at level cap.

 

You point out someone for making up numbers, then procede to make up your own.

You have no way of actually knowing that pvpers were a majority and are now a minority, your assuming that based how you felt during the winback.

My numbers are from the devs themselves. FYI even back just after launch when things were collated there was still a 50/50 preference.

Originally posted by Kuruptor

I just won this game on Ebay for $3.00, yet I feel like I just got ripped off after reading the forums lol. Oh well, I hope I have fun.

3 bucks for a months play in the best looking mmo out there? Are you kidding?

Many people pay 50-60 bucks for a single player game that last them one day...

I think you got a great deal!

The head Developer stated PvP players were a majority after launch, so the 50/50split is way off back then, Gaute did say there was a 50/50 between USA and Europe players. Look people came to AoC to PvP the developers hyped it and lied to almost a million people, when people found out AoC's PvP was gutter among other things they left en mass. It is sad how bad the PvP situation is today, they only had a year to fix sieges and other broken systems.

Today there are 2 populated PvP servers and 4 PvE servers, I don't know the split but it looks like 2 PvErs for Each PvPer, no one knows what it is but that is the best guess because Tyranny is maybe half full so are the ONLY 4 populated PvE servers borderline empty?

 The 50/50 today is made up and can not be sourced unless AA gets private conversations with developers. We also know the developers Lie and make up stuff to apease fans, such as saying "the server populations are fine". which the players know is false.  You would think this company would learn to tell the truth, oh well it already cost them 34 million and that number should grow when people boycott the expansion and TSW, why would they avoid it? because Funcom misrepresented AoC. So once again I have no idea why Funcom has such issues telling the truth.

So how's Perfect World working out for you?

Originally posted by finaticd

 So once again I have no idea why Funcom has such issues telling the truth.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing about you.

 Lol finatic stop making a fool of yourself - what about pvp rp servers? those are the second pvp servers u are looking for

It's worth 3 bucks just for the BEWBZ!