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User Deleted	9/10/09 1:43:04 AM#41 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Greed, whats funny is the only difference in what you're saying and what the so called haters are saying is basically they believe player driven content (economy, crafting, pvp ect) would be better than story mixed into a themepark. Or story mixed with player driven world would be better than story mixed with themepark. Obviously the devs will take the ones that have the best known ROI. In their view it would be story and themepark will get a better return it looks like. At least thats how Im seeing this arguement. I dont care about how crazy it's worded or insults. Just what their point is. Only time will tell who was more wrong hehe. Obviously the arguement is useless, so are game forums though. Maybe story will blow our minds though...anyone will take an awesome game over being right. That's a possibilty too.
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User Deleted	9/10/09 2:26:35 AM#42 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Greed, whats funny is the only difference in what you're saying and what the so called haters are saying is basically they believe player driven content (economy, crafting, pvp ect) would be better than story mixed into a themepark. Or story mixed with player driven world would be better than story mixed with themepark. Obviously the devs will take the ones that have the best known ROI. In their view it would be story and themepark will get a better return it looks like. At least thats how Im seeing this arguement. I dont care about how crazy it's worded or insults. Just what their point is. Only time will tell who was more wrong hehe. Obviously the arguement is useless, so are game forums though. Maybe story will blow our minds though...anyone will take an awesome game over being right. That's a possibilty too. Everything you said, I figured. But at this point it's not about beliefs or what people want. It's already in production, they are just setting the final pieces. It's fine to want something, but what they want, ToR will not be. Coming here and arguing what "needs" to be in the game, or what the game "will" be is ignorant, and I don't mean that as an insult. And the fact that these particular Vets are lashing out at the game here and not at the official forums, confuses me. Why here? This forum is full of people that support ToR, and serves only as a third party site for discussion and updates. I'm pretty sure BioWare does not check this forum. We get it, they don't like the game. So maybe they should move on? They keep referring to this as part of that "good fight". What exactly are they fighting for? Isn't this a bit embarrassing for them? They only listen to each other, seems like a endless loop. I just can't see how people can act this way, it's a virtual world. It would be no different if I went into the Guild Wars 2 forums and demanded it be the same as the first because "I" want it to be. My suggestion is, they need to at least give the game a chance. Wtf happened to "This game just doesn't appeal to me, good luck to those that play it"? As for the highlight. I just don't believe it. Hell look at Stillkillins posts, or Draccans, even Storyless is climbing up that list. It's full of nothing but prophetic bullshit. The thing is, a lot of us so called "fanbois" are waiting to see if the game is good. But a lot of the vets wont even give it a chance. And I may be wrong, it may not be most of the vets. But the dogs that are barking the loudest, is pretty much dragging you all in with them. Especially the ones saying "we" or "all the vets", and the best one "250k of my friends". LOL
JYCowboy Advanced Member Joined: 1/11/05 Posts: 635 SWG: Jess Youngstar(CIA)-Ahazi DCUO: Blue Horizon(CIA) STO: John West(USS Texas)NCC-91836	9/10/09 1:21:35 PM#43 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Greed, whats funny is the only difference in what you're saying and what the so called haters are saying is basically they believe player driven content (economy, crafting, pvp ect) would be better than story mixed into a themepark. Or story mixed with player driven world would be better than story mixed with themepark. Obviously the devs will take the ones that have the best known ROI. In their view it would be story and themepark will get a better return it looks like. At least thats how Im seeing this arguement. I dont care about how crazy it's worded or insults. Just what their point is. Only time will tell who was more wrong hehe. Obviously the arguement is useless, so are game forums though. Maybe story will blow our minds though...anyone will take an awesome game over being right. That's a possibilty too. Everything you said, I figured. But at this point it's not about beliefs or what people want. It's already in production, they are just setting the final pieces. It's fine to want something, but what they want, ToR will not be. Coming here and arguing what "needs" to be in the game, or what the game "will" be is ignorant, and I don't mean that as an insult. And the fact that these particular Vets are lashing out at the game here and not at the official forums, confuses me. Why here? This forum is full of people that support ToR, and serves only as a third party site for discussion and updates. I'm pretty sure BioWare does not check this forum. We get it, they don't like the game. So maybe they should move on? They keep referring to this as part of that "good fight". What exactly are they fighting for? Isn't this a bit embarrassing for them? They only listen to each other, seems like a endless loop. I just can't see how people can act this way, it's a virtual world. It would be no different if I went into the Guild Wars 2 forums and demanded it be the same as the first because "I" want it to be. My suggestion is, they need to at least give the game a chance. Wtf happened to "This game just doesn't appeal to me, good luck to those that play it"? As for the highlight. I just don't believe it. Hell look at Stillkillins posts, or Draccans, even Storyless is climbing up that list. It's full of nothing but prophetic bullshit. The thing is, a lot of us so called "fanbois" are waiting to see if the game is good. But a lot of the vets wont even give it a chance. And I may be wrong, it may not be most of the vets. But the dogs that are barking the loudest, is pretty much dragging you all in with them. Especially the ones saying "we" or "all the vets", and the best one "250k of my friends". LOL The NGE brought so much loss to SWG which is the fuel for the hate. Some of those vets had to deal with changes to other SOE games which just translated into further evidance against SOE as the soul offender. The losses was more than progress on the Alpha Class, the complex profession system, Legendary and Exceptional weapons, turn based combat, the interrelated profession structure, decay driven economy or any content that was removed for less mature rating adjustment. It went beyond the bugs that became obsolete for use in exploiting the system for better gain or the population drop out which fatelly altered the community. The PR mistakes and out and out lies were only rally cry for for the betrail. It was a sign and symbol of how the entire MMORPG industry was going to change for the more simplistic MMOG with a lack of depth and interaction. No further real serious investment is "sandbox" elements for World Simulators has really happen. They all became too cost ineffiecient for thier return in the total availible market which had been defined by WOW. A balance between work and play was discovered related to demographics of folks who have free income to invest in the MMO hobby. Only the die hard fans, (which if you are posting here, YOU are it) would go beyond and play to achieve such goals as an Alpha Class Jedi. If those fans signed in, Great. But whats going to rope in all those other fence sitters who only have three hours at night after dinner and before bed? All those folks who don't have months to earn achievements or patients to wait on another player to craft what they wanted? The huge mass of folks who exist that would play an MMO but would not play a "second job" became the new target of the industry. They are often refered to as the "Gimmie Gimmie" crowd. My personal experiance? I am a dyed-in-the-wool Star Wars Fan from day one (telling my age there). In school, I would day dream of living in that universe. The first step in having that dream was the PnP RPG. That however has the limitations of your friends and what your Game Master dreams up. SWG was my greatest fantasy brought to life on my computer. I drank deep of the Cool Aid then. It, however, brought my attention to the MMORPG market as I started to question the devs changes. SOE's history doesn't show a company willing to take risks like the NGE unless they were promted by another. They just don't have that kinda "guts." Thats why I have always been asking what was LEC's role? In business, you have to be objective and keeping passion in check while trying to figure out your best course. I see no reason that can't apply here. It is way to easy to let my passion for Star Wars cloud what might be the truth. I don't view LEC as blameless in the NGE or SWG's history. Like the heroes journey, I came into this with good intentions and have come out (so far) changed not in ways expected. TOR will be a good game from the start, I have no doubts. What I see of it is that it doesn't change the trend, however, of themepark MMO's with all the systems that are expected of them. Its front end experance will be different and new but the End Game might not offer much changes from what we have seen of others of late. It will have a different community than SWG or the new Star Wars SOE MMO but I don't see it haveing that bond which SWG first created. Some one say it was forced and they hated thier game play dependent on others. It did, however, get people talking.
thexrated Hard Core Member Joined: 11/26/04 Posts: 1234	9/10/09 2:44:48 PM#44 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by stillkillin no it does bioware is giving we the players a game that we do not want we have told them what we want and rather then give us the players what we are asking for they are doing the same thing $OE did to us. telling us what we think we want and giving us a game that will fail. we do not want the nge 2 with storyline we want to make our own story and play swg 2 this game has no soul bioware and la are just coming out with it to make money Sorry you are the vocal minority and I am actually glad Bioware gives you the finger treatment. "The person who experiences greatness must have a feeling for the myth he is in."
ounumen Novice Member Joined: 12/17/08 Posts: 140 Kill all all liberal scum	9/10/09 3:06:33 PM#45 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by stillkillin Originally posted by greed0104 You guys need to come to understand that this battle does not involve BioWare. This fight you guys are trying to put up, is against LA,SOE, and yourself. Why yourself? You guys, myself included, purchased SWG, we understood it was not our game, but SoEs. SoE changed everything. But you payed for the game, knowing it could be changed at any given minute. You are responsible in your own way. Guys, BioWare is doing what they see fit. They don't vision a sandbox SWG2, what they see is a new experience for gamers, its there vision that will give this game a soul. If BioWare gave into all of your demands it would not be what they visioned, it would be a souless MMO. Although MMOs are about money, some companies take pride in there work. And BioWare happens to be one of those. So the "angry" vets, you guys need to snap out of it. BioWare should not be your target, they played no part in the NGE. They are just trying to make a fun experience for everybody. And you guys should give them a chance. no it does bioware is giving me the player a game that I do not want I have told them what I want and rather then give me the player what I am asking for they are doing the same thing $OE did to us. this game has no soul bioware and la are just coming out with it to make money Fix'd Stop including everybody. More people are happy with the direction then those mad because it's not SWG 2. I have come to the conclusion that you are a very sour delusional person. Games are around to make money first, get that through your head. BioWare takes pride in there projects. Every single game of theres I played was polished and amazingly fun. No more people are pissed than happy. Even in Aion Open Beta people are bitching about this game. How they were hoping for more freedom and exploration. That we are being given a piece of shit. Hell they wont even bother polishing the turd before they give it to us. Bioware will fail the way Mythic failed. Now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk. "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". No one can stop anyone from pursuing happiness, but life and liberty are said to only exist if they are deliberately sought and paid for".
maskedweasel Tipster Joined: 9/24/07 Posts: 6964 "Kids, try imagining how far the universe extends! Keep thinking about it until you go insane."	9/10/09 3:21:15 PM#46 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ounumen Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by stillkillin Originally posted by greed0104 You guys need to come to understand that this battle does not involve BioWare. This fight you guys are trying to put up, is against LA,SOE, and yourself. Why yourself? You guys, myself included, purchased SWG, we understood it was not our game, but SoEs. SoE changed everything. But you payed for the game, knowing it could be changed at any given minute. You are responsible in your own way. Guys, BioWare is doing what they see fit. They don't vision a sandbox SWG2, what they see is a new experience for gamers, its there vision that will give this game a soul. If BioWare gave into all of your demands it would not be what they visioned, it would be a souless MMO. Although MMOs are about money, some companies take pride in there work. And BioWare happens to be one of those. So the "angry" vets, you guys need to snap out of it. BioWare should not be your target, they played no part in the NGE. They are just trying to make a fun experience for everybody. And you guys should give them a chance. no it does bioware is giving me the player a game that I do not want I have told them what I want and rather then give me the player what I am asking for they are doing the same thing $OE did to us. this game has no soul bioware and la are just coming out with it to make money Fix'd Stop including everybody. More people are happy with the direction then those mad because it's not SWG 2. I have come to the conclusion that you are a very sour delusional person. Games are around to make money first, get that through your head. BioWare takes pride in there projects. Every single game of theres I played was polished and amazingly fun. No more people are pissed than happy. Even in Aion Open Beta people are bitching about this game. How they were hoping for more freedom and exploration. That we are being given a piece of shit. Hell they wont even bother polishing the turd before they give it to us. Bioware will fail the way Mythic failed. Now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk. Thats a joke right? They're in the AION beta complaining about freedom and exploration. Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day, thanks for that. For so many people that think they know ToR so well, you really show your ignorance with posts like these. "Loan me a Dragon I wanna see space"
User Deleted	9/10/09 4:12:23 PM#47 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by maskedweasel Originally posted by ounumen Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by stillkillin Originally posted by greed0104 You guys need to come to understand that this battle does not involve BioWare. This fight you guys are trying to put up, is against LA,SOE, and yourself. Why yourself? You guys, myself included, purchased SWG, we understood it was not our game, but SoEs. SoE changed everything. But you payed for the game, knowing it could be changed at any given minute. You are responsible in your own way. Guys, BioWare is doing what they see fit. They don't vision a sandbox SWG2, what they see is a new experience for gamers, its there vision that will give this game a soul. If BioWare gave into all of your demands it would not be what they visioned, it would be a souless MMO. Although MMOs are about money, some companies take pride in there work. And BioWare happens to be one of those. So the "angry" vets, you guys need to snap out of it. BioWare should not be your target, they played no part in the NGE. They are just trying to make a fun experience for everybody. And you guys should give them a chance. no it does bioware is giving me the player a game that I do not want I have told them what I want and rather then give me the player what I am asking for they are doing the same thing $OE did to us. this game has no soul bioware and la are just coming out with it to make money Fix'd Stop including everybody. More people are happy with the direction then those mad because it's not SWG 2. I have come to the conclusion that you are a very sour delusional person. Games are around to make money first, get that through your head. BioWare takes pride in there projects. Every single game of theres I played was polished and amazingly fun. No more people are pissed than happy. Even in Aion Open Beta people are bitching about this game. How they were hoping for more freedom and exploration. That we are being given a piece of shit. Hell they wont even bother polishing the turd before they give it to us. Bioware will fail the way Mythic failed. Now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk. Thats a joke right? They're in the AION beta complaining about freedom and exploration. Thats the funniest thing I've heard all day, thanks for that. For so many people that think they know ToR so well, you really show your ignorance with posts like these. Not even going to reply to his post, you summed up my thoughts exactly.
User Deleted	9/10/09 4:44:56 PM#48 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by ounumen Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by stillkillin Originally posted by greed0104 You guys need to come to understand that this battle does not involve BioWare. This fight you guys are trying to put up, is against LA,SOE, and yourself. Why yourself? You guys, myself included, purchased SWG, we understood it was not our game, but SoEs. SoE changed everything. But you payed for the game, knowing it could be changed at any given minute. You are responsible in your own way. Guys, BioWare is doing what they see fit. They don't vision a sandbox SWG2, what they see is a new experience for gamers, its there vision that will give this game a soul. If BioWare gave into all of your demands it would not be what they visioned, it would be a souless MMO. Although MMOs are about money, some companies take pride in there work. And BioWare happens to be one of those. So the "angry" vets, you guys need to snap out of it. BioWare should not be your target, they played no part in the NGE. They are just trying to make a fun experience for everybody. And you guys should give them a chance. no it does bioware is giving me the player a game that I do not want I have told them what I want and rather then give me the player what I am asking for they are doing the same thing $OE did to us. this game has no soul bioware and la are just coming out with it to make money Fix'd Stop including everybody. More people are happy with the direction then those mad because it's not SWG 2. I have come to the conclusion that you are a very sour delusional person. Games are around to make money first, get that through your head. BioWare takes pride in there projects. Every single game of theres I played was polished and amazingly fun. No more people are pissed than happy. Even in Aion Open Beta people are bitching about this game. How they were hoping for more freedom and exploration. That we are being given a piece of shit. Hell they wont even bother polishing the turd before they give it to us. Bioware will fail the way Mythic failed. Now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk. Good lord... you SWG vets are out of your minds. After all these years you still can't let go of what a completely different company did to you. Bioware had absolutely no hand in the destruction of your precious pre-NGE SWG. Nor do they OWE you ANYTHING. They are making a game the way they want to make it and there are MANY MANY people like myself who are very happy about the direction they are taking. Like it or not, we outnumber you crazed SWG veterans by a sizable margin. You are simply the ones who whine and cry the most. You are so butt-hurt about a game that a completely different company ruined that you cannot move on with your lives. You cannot even seem to accept reality. You have known from the very beginning that this game would not cater to you, yet you hang around these forums and whine incessently out of some desperate sliver of hope that maybe Bioware will radically alter the direction of their game. Guess what? IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. The most annoying thing about you SWG vets is the fact that you won't even give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. You won't even give them a chance to prove you wrong. You just take a negative stance on anything they release about the game without even stopping for a moment to consider if its fun. All you see is that its not SWG and that makes you so very very sad. And instead of simply moving on to something else like any rational person would do, you whine and cry on these forums EVERY SINGLE DAY. I used to have sympathy for you guys, but now I just want you to go away...
User Deleted	9/10/09 5:08:14 PM#49 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Greed, whats funny is the only difference in what you're saying and what the so called haters are saying is basically they believe player driven content (economy, crafting, pvp ect) would be better than story mixed into a themepark. Or story mixed with player driven world would be better than story mixed with themepark. Obviously the devs will take the ones that have the best known ROI. In their view it would be story and themepark will get a better return it looks like. At least thats how Im seeing this arguement. I dont care about how crazy it's worded or insults. Just what their point is. Only time will tell who was more wrong hehe. Obviously the arguement is useless, so are game forums though. Maybe story will blow our minds though...anyone will take an awesome game over being right. That's a possibilty too. Everything you said, I figured. But at this point it's not about beliefs or what people want. It's already in production, they are just setting the final pieces. It's fine to want something, but what they want, ToR will not be. Coming here and arguing what "needs" to be in the game, or what the game "will" be is ignorant, and I don't mean that as an insult. And the fact that these particular Vets are lashing out at the game here and not at the official forums, confuses me. Why here? This forum is full of people that support ToR, and serves only as a third party site for discussion and updates. I'm pretty sure BioWare does not check this forum. We get it, they don't like the game. So maybe they should move on? They keep referring to this as part of that "good fight". What exactly are they fighting for? Isn't this a bit embarrassing for them? They only listen to each other, seems like a endless loop. I just can't see how people can act this way, it's a virtual world. It would be no different if I went into the Guild Wars 2 forums and demanded it be the same as the first because "I" want it to be. My suggestion is, they need to at least give the game a chance. Wtf happened to "This game just doesn't appeal to me, good luck to those that play it"? As for the highlight. I just don't believe it. Hell look at Stillkillins posts, or Draccans, even Storyless is climbing up that list. It's full of nothing but prophetic bullshit. The thing is, a lot of us so called "fanbois" are waiting to see if the game is good. But a lot of the vets wont even give it a chance. And I may be wrong, it may not be most of the vets. But the dogs that are barking the loudest, is pretty much dragging you all in with them. Especially the ones saying "we" or "all the vets", and the best one "250k of my friends". LOL Hehe, they have an opinion, and they are marketing their opinion. All they require is your attention and your insults. Enjoy the show is all I can say. Trying to 'get it" without being around mmorpg.com for the last 4 years is wasted time. The responses they get shows all. Would you rather have all wow vs. TOR conversations, or easy opportunitues to persuade the lurkers? enjoy it, use them just like they use you. Getting frustrated over this, you're gonna die when the official trolls show up. You'll need a law degree to even understand the jargon.
User Deleted	9/10/09 7:24:53 PM#50 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by Malagen Originally posted by ounumen Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by stillkillin Originally posted by greed0104 You guys need to come to understand that this battle does not involve BioWare. This fight you guys are trying to put up, is against LA,SOE, and yourself. Why yourself? You guys, myself included, purchased SWG, we understood it was not our game, but SoEs. SoE changed everything. But you payed for the game, knowing it could be changed at any given minute. You are responsible in your own way. Guys, BioWare is doing what they see fit. They don't vision a sandbox SWG2, what they see is a new experience for gamers, its there vision that will give this game a soul. If BioWare gave into all of your demands it would not be what they visioned, it would be a souless MMO. Although MMOs are about money, some companies take pride in there work. And BioWare happens to be one of those. So the "angry" vets, you guys need to snap out of it. BioWare should not be your target, they played no part in the NGE. They are just trying to make a fun experience for everybody. And you guys should give them a chance. no it does bioware is giving me the player a game that I do not want I have told them what I want and rather then give me the player what I am asking for they are doing the same thing $OE did to us. this game has no soul bioware and la are just coming out with it to make money Fix'd Stop including everybody. More people are happy with the direction then those mad because it's not SWG 2. I have come to the conclusion that you are a very sour delusional person. Games are around to make money first, get that through your head. BioWare takes pride in there projects. Every single game of theres I played was polished and amazingly fun. No more people are pissed than happy. Even in Aion Open Beta people are bitching about this game. How they were hoping for more freedom and exploration. That we are being given a piece of shit. Hell they wont even bother polishing the turd before they give it to us. Bioware will fail the way Mythic failed. Now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk. Good lord... you SWG vets are out of your minds. After all these years you still can't let go of what a completely different company did to you. Bioware had absolutely no hand in the destruction of your precious pre-NGE SWG. Nor do they OWE you ANYTHING. They are making a game the way they want to make it and there are MANY MANY people like myself who are very happy about the direction they are taking. Like it or not, we outnumber you crazed SWG veterans by a sizable margin. You are simply the ones who whine and cry the most. You are so butt-hurt about a game that a completely different company ruined that you cannot move on with your lives. You cannot even seem to accept reality. You have known from the very beginning that this game would not cater to you, yet you hang around these forums and whine incessently out of some desperate sliver of hope that maybe Bioware will radically alter the direction of their game. Guess what? IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. The most annoying thing about you SWG vets is the fact that you won't even give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. You won't even give them a chance to prove you wrong. You just take a negative stance on anything they release about the game without even stopping for a moment to consider if its fun. All you see is that its not SWG and that makes you so very very sad. And instead of simply moving on to something else like any rational person would do, you whine and cry on these forums EVERY SINGLE DAY. I used to have sympathy for you guys, but now I just want you to go away... Why would you think he was a SWG vet? We're flattered that you have such an awful big opinion of us, but swg vets didnt make the comment. feel free to give us all the attention you want. Come over to the vet forum and let it all out if ya want. Maybe find out what the swg vets really think, and who is one, and who isnt.
User Deleted	9/10/09 8:11:56 PM#51 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Hehe, they have an opinion, and they are marketing their opinion. All they require is your attention and your insults. Enjoy the show is all I can say. Trying to 'get it" without being around mmorpg.com for the last 4 years is wasted time. The responses they get shows all. Would you rather have all wow vs. TOR conversations, or easy opportunitues to persuade the lurkers? enjoy it, use them just like they use you. Getting frustrated over this, you're gonna die when the official trolls show up. You'll need a law degree to even understand the jargon. Don't think I'm getting frustrated, takes quite a bit to pull that off. Actually this is all rather funny. Most of these "opinons" are wonderfull jokes. Why else would I continue returning?
User Deleted	9/10/09 8:13:11 PM#52 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Originally posted by Malagen Originally posted by ounumen Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by stillkillin Originally posted by greed0104 You guys need to come to understand that this battle does not involve BioWare. This fight you guys are trying to put up, is against LA,SOE, and yourself. Why yourself? You guys, myself included, purchased SWG, we understood it was not our game, but SoEs. SoE changed everything. But you payed for the game, knowing it could be changed at any given minute. You are responsible in your own way. Guys, BioWare is doing what they see fit. They don't vision a sandbox SWG2, what they see is a new experience for gamers, its there vision that will give this game a soul. If BioWare gave into all of your demands it would not be what they visioned, it would be a souless MMO. Although MMOs are about money, some companies take pride in there work. And BioWare happens to be one of those. So the "angry" vets, you guys need to snap out of it. BioWare should not be your target, they played no part in the NGE. They are just trying to make a fun experience for everybody. And you guys should give them a chance. no it does bioware is giving me the player a game that I do not want I have told them what I want and rather then give me the player what I am asking for they are doing the same thing $OE did to us. this game has no soul bioware and la are just coming out with it to make money Fix'd Stop including everybody. More people are happy with the direction then those mad because it's not SWG 2. I have come to the conclusion that you are a very sour delusional person. Games are around to make money first, get that through your head. BioWare takes pride in there projects. Every single game of theres I played was polished and amazingly fun. No more people are pissed than happy. Even in Aion Open Beta people are bitching about this game. How they were hoping for more freedom and exploration. That we are being given a piece of shit. Hell they wont even bother polishing the turd before they give it to us. Bioware will fail the way Mythic failed. Now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk. Good lord... you SWG vets are out of your minds. After all these years you still can't let go of what a completely different company did to you. Bioware had absolutely no hand in the destruction of your precious pre-NGE SWG. Nor do they OWE you ANYTHING. They are making a game the way they want to make it and there are MANY MANY people like myself who are very happy about the direction they are taking. Like it or not, we outnumber you crazed SWG veterans by a sizable margin. You are simply the ones who whine and cry the most. You are so butt-hurt about a game that a completely different company ruined that you cannot move on with your lives. You cannot even seem to accept reality. You have known from the very beginning that this game would not cater to you, yet you hang around these forums and whine incessently out of some desperate sliver of hope that maybe Bioware will radically alter the direction of their game. Guess what? IT AINT GOING TO HAPPEN. The most annoying thing about you SWG vets is the fact that you won't even give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. You won't even give them a chance to prove you wrong. You just take a negative stance on anything they release about the game without even stopping for a moment to consider if its fun. All you see is that its not SWG and that makes you so very very sad. And instead of simply moving on to something else like any rational person would do, you whine and cry on these forums EVERY SINGLE DAY. I used to have sympathy for you guys, but now I just want you to go away... Why would you think he was a SWG vet? We're flattered that you have such an awful big opinion of us, but swg vets didnt make the comment. feel free to give us all the attention you want. Come over to the vet forum and let it all out if ya want. Maybe find out what the swg vets really think, and who is one, and who isnt. Yeah, I kinda got the impression he was a EA hater.
User Deleted	9/10/09 9:27:14 PM#53 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Why would you think he was a SWG vet? We're flattered that you have such an awful big opinion of us, but swg vets didnt make the comment. feel free to give us all the attention you want. Come over to the vet forum and let it all out if ya want. Maybe find out what the swg vets really think, and who is one, and who isnt. Yeah, I kinda got the impression he was a EA hater. Why hater? I got the impression he's looked at every online attempt by EA and came to the only conclusion possible. Is there another conclusion? Maybe you could change the mind of everyone that agrees with him.
maskedweasel Tipster Joined: 9/24/07 Posts: 6964 "Kids, try imagining how far the universe extends! Keep thinking about it until you go insane."	9/11/09 12:47:19 AM#54 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Why would you think he was a SWG vet? We're flattered that you have such an awful big opinion of us, but swg vets didnt make the comment. feel free to give us all the attention you want. Come over to the vet forum and let it all out if ya want. Maybe find out what the swg vets really think, and who is one, and who isnt. Yeah, I kinda got the impression he was a EA hater. Why hater? I got the impression he's looked at every online attempt by EA and came to the only conclusion possible. Is there another conclusion? Maybe you could change the mind of everyone that agrees with him. Define "online attempt" as EA has very good multiplayer games that make use of being "online" they really aren't as horrible.. or any more horrible then SoE. "Loan me a Dragon I wanna see space"
User Deleted	9/11/09 12:49:48 AM#55 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Why would you think he was a SWG vet? We're flattered that you have such an awful big opinion of us, but swg vets didnt make the comment. feel free to give us all the attention you want. Come over to the vet forum and let it all out if ya want. Maybe find out what the swg vets really think, and who is one, and who isnt. Yeah, I kinda got the impression he was a EA hater. Why hater? I got the impression he's looked at every online attempt by EA and came to the only conclusion possible. Is there another conclusion? Maybe you could change the mind of everyone that agrees with him. Dislikes EA? Really I don't care, pick your term, he falls in either one. Originally posted by ounumen No more people are pissed than happy. Even in Aion Open Beta people are bitching about this game. How they were hoping for more freedom and exploration. That we are being given a piece of shit. Hell they wont even bother polishing the turd before they give it to us. Bioware will fail the way Mythic failed. Now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk. If thats not hate, then what is it? Feel free to ask him if he "hates" EA, would be crazy if he said no.
User Deleted	9/11/09 1:15:29 AM#56 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by maskedweasel Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Why would you think he was a SWG vet? We're flattered that you have such an awful big opinion of us, but swg vets didnt make the comment. feel free to give us all the attention you want. Come over to the vet forum and let it all out if ya want. Maybe find out what the swg vets really think, and who is one, and who isnt. Yeah, I kinda got the impression he was a EA hater. Why hater? I got the impression he's looked at every online attempt by EA and came to the only conclusion possible. Is there another conclusion? Maybe you could change the mind of everyone that agrees with him. Define "online attempt" as EA has very good multiplayer games that make use of being "online" they really aren't as horrible.. or any more horrible then SoE. Sorry, you're right. They do have quite alot of talent that they aquired. People can judge their mmorpg record for themselves. It's easy to understand peoples skeptism in my opinion.
User Deleted	9/11/09 1:36:48 AM#57 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi Why would you think he was a SWG vet? We're flattered that you have such an awful big opinion of us, but swg vets didnt make the comment. feel free to give us all the attention you want. Come over to the vet forum and let it all out if ya want. Maybe find out what the swg vets really think, and who is one, and who isnt. Yeah, I kinda got the impression he was a EA hater. Why hater? I got the impression he's looked at every online attempt by EA and came to the only conclusion possible. Is there another conclusion? Maybe you could change the mind of everyone that agrees with him. Dislikes EA? Really I don't care, pick your term, he falls in either one. Originally posted by ounumen No more people are pissed than happy. Even in Aion Open Beta people are bitching about this game. How they were hoping for more freedom and exploration. That we are being given a piece of shit. Hell they wont even bother polishing the turd before they give it to us. Bioware will fail the way Mythic failed. Now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk. If thats not hate, then what is it? A prediction?
User Deleted	9/11/09 1:48:08 AM#58 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi A prediction? Perhaps you misunderstood my original response. Malagen insisted Ounumen was a SWG Vet due to his attitude. When Ounumen was actually feeling negative towards EA. I was not questining his prediction, actually I wasn't questining him at all. I was pointing out he does not like EA, and agreeing with you that he probably isn't a vet, and nothing gave off the impression he was one. I used the word "hater" because it's obvious he dislikes EA because of his last sentence "now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk.".
User Deleted	9/11/09 2:10:09 AM#59 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) Originally posted by greed0104 Originally posted by FikusOfAhazi A prediction? Perhaps you misunderstood my original response. Malagen insisted Ounumen was a SWG Vet due to his attitude. When Ounumen was actually feeling negative towards EA. I was not questining his prediction, actually I wasn't questining him at all. I was pointing out he does not like EA, and agreeing with you that he probably isn't a vet, and nothing gave off the impression he was one. I used the word "hater" because it's obvious he dislikes EA because of his last sentence "now that EA has its claws into them they are nothing more than a cahs cow to milk.". Ok, hater is used so much, why I asked you to define. Now I know . It sounds like he got burned by EA in the past to me:)
User Deleted	9/11/09 9:38:50 AM#60 Report this post Explain why you are reporting this post: (750 characters max.) I obviously replied to the wrong post with my rant about SWG vets. It was meant for the SWG vets like stillkillin (whos' post was included in the several that I quoted). I was not trying to personally attack Ounumen and I apologize if that was how it seemed. For that matter, I really don't have anything against SWG vets as a whole. I played the game for some time as well, so you could technically call me one! The only thing I have a problem with is them constantly whining on the TOR forum here. The constant negativity really drives me crazy and it seems like they are only doing it because they hope that the game is going to be changed. I used to just watch these MMORPG.com forums and was not a member, but eventually I created an account specifically to voice my frustration towards this group of players. Sometimes I may speak perhaps too harshly when I am frustrated. So again, I apologize if I appeared to be singling anyone out specifically without cause. I also apologize if people believe that I 'hate' SWG vets. That really is not the case... I know many SWG vets who are approaching this game with an open mind and are not taking the blind stance of hatred towards it because it is not SWG 2.