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Last month, it was revealed that one of the bloodiest butchers of SWG had got his sweaty little paws all over the upcoming Bioware SWTOR - that risible hack Dallas Dickinson. Now it seems another member of the crew of clowns, con men and co-dependents who gave us the NGE also appears to have latched onto SWTOR like a lamprey. Two years ago... ...LA producer for Star Wars Galaxies Jake Neri: "There are no plans for a pre-NGE server, as SWG is in a great place right now. We have thousands of players returning to the game and having a great time with all the new features and content that we’ve added."... http://www.mmogamer.com/10/18/2007/interview-jake-neri-discusses-star-wars-galaxies Today... ...They pulled a joke on Saturday, announcing a big reveal then flashing up "Darth Binks" to stunned silence and a smattering of laughter. "I think we failed on humor," said Bioware Producer, Jake Neri... http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/feature/3482/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-PAX-Reveal.html Right, I have been dubious about the ultimate success of SWTOR ever since I saw the clunky animations and the limited landscapes but I still thought it would be a commercial success though disappointing mainline MMOers. Now, having learned that even more of the team producing this game came straight from the NGE, I predict that after a flashy launch SWTOR will be a significant commercial failure and that this will become clear within six months of going live. And if you think that LA is so large and experienced by now that it can't make games that fail, why don't you google a little thing called 'Star Wars: The Force Unleashed'. |
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9/09/09 5:03:13 AM#2
Originally posted by storyless
There was nothing wrong with Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (not to be taken 100% literally, as there were a few problems), so I don't understand what you're trying to get at. I enjoyed that game, though not for more than a couple days. It was still well-done. Soooo good try? |
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9/09/09 5:05:35 AM#3
OP's name reeks of such irony.
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Originally posted by denshing
Is that suppose to hurt mre or something? Let me show you what hurts - SWTOR is going to be a disastrous trainwreck of a game despite all the shilling of fanbois like yourself. And when it is finally revealed as a shambolic failure, you're going to have a nervous breakdown. There! |
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9/09/09 5:19:07 AM#5
Originally posted by storyless
Sadly, SWTOR is a "SUPER NGE". But in this case they are targeting the right audience from the get go. Wheres in SWG's case, they turned a sandbox into a themepark and caused mass exodus from not listening to the enormous outbreaks of the community... Whis is exactly why I found it highly ironic when Jack neri said in the first interview that the team was great at listening to the community. Then he went on talking about how MMO's are living breathing worlds with players that have needs that you need to cater to. After reading those parts I was like, "IF YOU REALLY KNEW THAT MUCH NGE WOULDNT EXIST MORON" BTW, awsome title for thread. I find it highly appropriate. Sadly, I think lucasarts themselves wanted jack neri on the bioware team, because they knew that SWTOR would in fact succeed for the very reasons NGE failed. It's sad really.
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9/09/09 5:22:50 AM#6
Originally posted by storyless
Is that suppose to hurt mre or something? Let me show you what hurts - SWTOR is going to be a disastrous trainwreck of a game despite all the shilling of fanbois like yourself. And when it is finally revealed as a shambolic failure, you're going to have a nervous breakdown. There!
Lol it wasnt even an insult. How do you get fanboism off that? Ok, seriously... Do the woodwork... Your name is storyless. You just told us a story. Dude your really dense. You half to find logic in things urself man, I can't help you do that. FYI, check the text under my avatar <_< ----Solve the puzzle.
The only thing I have that i can disagree with you on is the outcome of NGE. I think it will do amazingly well. But I couldn't care less if it flops all the same, I am playing aion.
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9/09/09 5:23:08 AM#7
I can understand what your concern is, but this is the wrong forum for that info. Why would we care? |
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9/09/09 5:24:44 AM#8
Originally posted by storyless
Is that suppose to hurt mre or something? Let me show you what hurts - SWTOR is going to be a disastrous trainwreck of a game despite all the shilling of fanbois like yourself. And when it is finally revealed as a shambolic failure, you're going to have a nervous breakdown. There! Or maybe they enjoy the game and you still crying about SWG? LET IT GO! We will see if this game is good or not. Not worth anyones time trying to predict that right now. |
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9/09/09 5:30:49 AM#9
Originally posted by Coman Or maybe they enjoy the game and you still crying about SWG? LET IT GO! We will see if this game is good or not. Not worth anyones time trying to predict that right now.
Actually im not even following TOR, but I am a SWG vet however. Though personally I let the game die in me along time ago. IMO, tor looks like a good game, but I just cant see it as a MMO type commitment right now.
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Originally posted by denshing
Sadly, SWTOR is a "SUPER NGE". But in this case they are targeting the right audience from the get go. Wheres in SWG's case, they turned a sandbox into a themepark and caused mass exodus from not listening to the enormous outbreaks of the community... Whis is exactly why I found it highly ironic when Jack neri said in the first interview that the team was great at listening to the community. Then he went on talking about how MMO's are living breathing worlds with players that have needs that you need to cater to. After reading those parts I was like, "IF YOU REALLY KNEW THAT MUCH NGE WOULDNT EXIST MORON"
In the years that followed the NGE, I was absolutely stunned by the dishonesty, arrogance and incompetence of the statements issued by the various players responsible for what was - and still is - the defining blunder of an entire industry. From John Smedley to Nancy Macintyre to Dan Freeman to Julio Torres and now to Dallas Dickinson and Jake Neri. They told us that we loved the NGE and when that was revealed as a fraudulent lie they told us we were a tiny minority of haters. When it was evident that we were in the vast majority, they began touting the most lukewarm regret - 'We're sorry you didn't get it' - as an apology and then told us to move on. But what is really rich, what really gets my goat, is not that all these people who, between them, must have lost over a hundred million dfollars on the SWG since 2005, have all been promoted and rewarded either in their old jobs or in new ones (Nancy Macintyre for example earns $300k a year now http://people.forbes.com/profile/nancy-g-macintyre/48801), but that they are still allowed to work on the Star wars IP! It beggars belief! It's like giving the people who gave us The Titanic an opportunity to build a new ship - 'But even more Titanicer!'. In any other industry they would have been fired by the board and then sued by the shareholders for loss of earnings. |
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9/09/09 9:23:15 AM#11
Maybe because as I've said before, LA was just as guilty as SOE for the fall from grace. I've always found it odd that all the smart people on this site focus so much on SOE. All I can say is watch some of the behind the scenes on EP 1,2 and 3. You will see how controlling George Lucas is. You will see how He makes his art teams, prop teams, stunt actors and actors do things exactly how he wants them done not matter what their opinions or talents are. It's just like people wiggin out about zombie wookies. One, they are in Star Wars stories. SWG has zombies now. George Lucas is using his creation and licensing to cross market HIS products.
I would like to state that in no way shape or form that anything I receive from SOE influences my opinion about SWG or their company. I’m pretty much a typical average player enjoying the game. |
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TUX426
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Joined: 8/04/09
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9/09/09 9:42:50 AM#12
Originally posted by storyless
LOL! But even more "Titanicer" :D You have a very valid point. I'm not sure what the hell goes on behind closed doors in the MMO field, but it's becoming apparent that it's a very select group of individuals that control the LA licensing. My advise to you...don't buy the games. You/we can't fight SoE/LA in any other form mate - money is the only true weapon we have in this fight.
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TUX426
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9/09/09 9:56:10 AM#13
Originally posted by Narwhal
While I concede that LA does share responsibility with SoE in the NGE, SoE has flat out failed at running the game since then mate. And I'm sorry...if you think George has ever even seen SWG, I think you're nuts. Zombies were an SoE idea...it's not about "cross marketing"...that's how it was undoubtedly sold to LA I'm sure, but zombies came from horror fan Dotanuki...not LA. It was a chance for Dot to really **edit** up the game...and he took it. If Smedley were smart, he'd have NEVER used the word "zombie" with the SW audience...the moron should have said Death Troopers...but in typical SoE fashion, he **edit**ed it up. Sure...you can blame LA for some of the NGE, but SoE is the true problem with SWG IMO. |
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JYCowboy
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Joined: 1/11/05
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9/09/09 10:00:07 AM#14
Originally posted by storyless
In the years that followed the NGE, I was absolutely stunned by the dishonesty, arrogance and incompetence of the statements issued by the various players responsible for what was - and still is - the defining blunder of an entire industry. From John Smedley to Nancy Macintyre to Dan Freeman to Julio Torres and now to Dallas Dickinson and Jake Neri. They told us that we loved the NGE and when that was revealed as a fraudulent lie they told us we were a tiny minority of haters. When it was evident that we were in the vast majority, they began touting the most lukewarm regret - 'We're sorry you didn't get it' - as an apology and then told us to move on. But what is really rich, what really gets my goat, is not that all these people who, between them, must have lost over a hundred million dfollars on the SWG since 2005, have all been promoted and rewarded either in their old jobs or in new ones (Nancy Macintyre for example earns $300k a year now http://people.forbes.com/profile/nancy-g-macintyre/48801), but that they are still allowed to work on the Star wars IP! It beggars belief! It's like giving the people who gave us The Titanic an opportunity to build a new ship - 'But even more Titanicer!'. In any other industry they would have been fired by the board and then sued by the shareholders for loss of earnings. Titanicer? KK, I think you should use a different analogy. There were sister ships to the Titanic. Olympia and Brittanna. One served in her end as a Hospital ship in WW2 until either hit with a torp or struck a mine. Its not known which. The other ship became obsolete and was decomissioned after a good period of use. As to your shock at these folks working for LA, Jim Ward quit as CEO of Lucas Arts (or was fired) and is now running for Congress. Macintyre does not work for LA anymore. Julio was on Force Unleashed but I haven't heard where he is these days. Jake Neri is an overhead producer running between all Star Wars projects. I've met him at SWG events as well as TOR. On the SOE side of the NGE, yes Smedley is still CEO and running the company. Jeff Freeman who was very involved with the NGE died last year or so. He was not working at SOE. These folks are trying to sell a game. They are not trying to create a new living experance that can absorb a player like a real good World Simulator. Those that pedel IP MMO's just don't care about breaking new ground anymore. They just want to capitalize on the name with potential players that might be fans of that IP. In a sense, they are trying to capitalize on the idea what MMO's use to represent along with capitalizing on what the IP is about while dragging the meaning and love of both down to a lower reguard. To SOE mainly but also LEC, the NGE was a failure from a massive PR reason and not a gameplay issue. They still believe the NGE was a positive move as it still targets the audiance they want but not the audiance they got. LEC believes they can slap a Star Wars sticker on a jug of milk and sell it as a collectors item. But if that milk is sour and out of date, is it still attractive? LOL, at this point how do you Un-sour milk. Aahh, make new milk ---> TOR. |
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9/09/09 1:36:13 PM#15
i understand what the op is saying. my friends we had a great game stolen from us the fact is that we all loved swg and for 4 years we have done everything we can to show that $OE and LA lied to us and stole that game giving us a WoW ripoff that no one wanted. we told them that all they had to do was fix the bugs in swg and it would have been great. players would have come to swg in the droves to get away from the boring level based WoW. what we got was the first lie about the combat revamp that turned into the cu and then lied to again by being forced to watch our game turned into the nge. this is about what we the players want. i look around at this site and other sites and all i see are the samethings people screaming for swg pre-cu. i can go to any game from AoC to WoW and say swg pre-cu and know what i get? i get tons of people talking about how much they loved swg pre-cu i get people who never played it saying that they wished they had. people want swg pre-cu people are demanding it and what have we gotten? we get $OE putting zombies into the nge we get bioware coming out with another lame level based WoW clone that will be mostly single player we get $OE coming out with free realms:clone wars this is about how bioware $OE EA and others ignore what we the players want and rather come out with something that they believe will make money. they rob the players blind with lies and offering free loot in cardgames that you have to buy with your money. but do we the players get what we want? no we don't we get told "this is what you want" and i for one and sick of this. we had our game stolen and look what we did we went out and turned $OE into a joke. all of us worked in order to show gamers everywhere to stay away from the nge and we did it. we took on one of the biggest names around and have been hurting them for years. and we can get ToR to be what we want it to be we can get our pre-cu swg back. it is up to us to get gaming and the games we loved back and we need to go out and show that everyone wants what we have been saying for years. |
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StuBidasoe
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Joined: 7/06/09
MMOs would be more fun without other players! ~ anonymous troll |
9/09/09 2:37:00 PM#16
Originally posted by stillkillin
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9/09/09 2:47:21 PM#17
Originally posted by stillkillin You guys need to come to understand that this battle does not involve BioWare. This fight you guys are trying to put up, is against LA,SOE, and yourself. Why yourself? You guys, myself included, purchased SWG, we understood it was not our game, but SoEs. SoE changed everything. But you payed for the game, knowing it could be changed at any given minute. You are responsible in your own way. Guys, BioWare is doing what they see fit. They don't vision a sandbox SWG2, what they see is a new experience for gamers, its there vision that will give this game a soul. If BioWare gave into all of your demands it would not be what they visioned, it would be a souless MMO. Although MMOs are about money, some companies take pride in there work. And BioWare happens to be one of those. So the "angry" vets, you guys need to snap out of it. BioWare should not be your target, they played no part in the NGE. They are just trying to make a fun experience for everybody. And you guys should give them a chance. |
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9/09/09 3:48:05 PM#18
Originally posted by greed0104 You guys need to come to understand that this battle does not involve BioWare. This fight you guys are trying to put up, is against LA,SOE, and yourself. Why yourself? You guys, myself included, purchased SWG, we understood it was not our game, but SoEs. SoE changed everything. But you payed for the game, knowing it could be changed at any given minute. You are responsible in your own way. Guys, BioWare is doing what they see fit. They don't vision a sandbox SWG2, what they see is a new experience for gamers, its there vision that will give this game a soul. If BioWare gave into all of your demands it would not be what they visioned, it would be a souless MMO. Although MMOs are about money, some companies take pride in there work. And BioWare happens to be one of those. So the "angry" vets, you guys need to snap out of it. BioWare should not be your target, they played no part in the NGE. They are just trying to make a fun experience for everybody. And you guys should give them a chance.
no it does bioware is giving we the players a game that we do not want we have told them what we want and rather then give us the players what we are asking for they are doing the same thing $OE did to us. telling us what we think we want and giving us a game that will fail. we do not want the nge 2 with storyline we want to make our own story and play swg 2 this game has no soul bioware and la are just coming out with it to make money |
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9/09/09 3:51:04 PM#19
Originally posted by stillkillin
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9/09/09 3:59:47 PM#20
Originally posted by greed0104
no it does
bioware is giving me the player a game that I do not want I have told them what I want and rather then give me the player what I am asking for they are doing the same thing $OE did to us. this game has no soul bioware and la are just coming out with it to make money Fix'd Stop including everybody. More people are happy with the direction then those mad because it's not SWG 2. I have come to the conclusion that you are a very sour delusional person. Games are around to make money first, get that through your head. BioWare takes pride in there projects. Every single game of theres I played was polished and amazingly fun.
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