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Who will not play Aion because of Gameguard issues
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9/08/09 12:04:10 PM#2
I haven't had any issues. I would.. however like to see what can influence gamegaurd -- keyboards, mice, other game controllers... ??? I'm unsure of what *exactly* gameguard is. Though... I'm sure it will not allow "add-ons" |
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9/08/09 12:07:23 PM#3
What's wrong with the poll here?
I'm not going to be like Acorn and vote on the same issue multiple times. LineageII | LoTRO | RFO | 9Dragons | Aion | Perfect World | Ether Saga | Dungeon Runners | GuildWars | Hellgate London | tCoS | Warhammer | AoC | Tabula Rasa
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9/08/09 12:32:50 PM#4
Creating polls is dumb. Theres already an "offical" one mentioned above.
PS: I would vote for "Would probably still buy, though prefer not to have gameguard"
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Not everyone visits, or is a member of, the beta forums. |
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9/08/09 1:50:53 PM#6
Will get it having no clue what GG will do to my computer. I never used such program. |
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9/08/09 5:18:31 PM#7
Gameguard is not the problem. People are complaining about gameguard when the real problem is their AV / internet security tool. On my system Aion didn't work with Kaspersky (KIS 2010); I removed and replaced it with NOD32 and now everything is working fine.
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9/08/09 6:28:57 PM#8
Am I in for trouble using free AVG as AV? |
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9/08/09 7:15:34 PM#9
Originally posted by BigMango
Maybe it's not Gameguard. Maybe it is. I think it's more a thing of how NCSoft wants Gameguard to work with their client. Gameguard works fine for Rohan and The Chronicles of Spellborn on my computer. Same firewall software and anti-virus software running. Something is wrong with their implementation of it. I'm not going to change my setup just to play one game that doesn't work with my set up. Aion seems like it could be a fun game, but it's not special enough (IMO) for me to consider moving the furniture to make room for it. WoW is the new MUD. |
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9/08/09 7:19:00 PM#10
Gameguard is fairly described as a rootkit so use it at your own peril, and if you are not at least very competent with Windows I would not use it at all (if you know what you are doing then it can be contained and removed).
Below pretty much sums it up but there is more info in a topic from the TCoS board here. Whether you want to say GameGuard is malicious or not is debatable, but the methods it employs are most certainly classifiable as rootkit and malware like. Worst of all it is installed without user consent and doesn't provide an uninstaller nor does it completely uninstall on removing the host game.
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9/08/09 7:21:47 PM#11
Originally posted by LeKinK
I use AV as well and i havent hand one error with GG as of yet. (i've played all CB s and the OB) |
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9/08/09 8:23:21 PM#12
I've installed Aion on 3 computers with 3 different AV / IS programs without any problems. Die for nothing or Kill for something |
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9/08/09 11:38:55 PM#13
If your AV wrongly flags software as rootkit it doesn't mean it is. People are using lousy AVs with outdated with/and/or not up to date virus definitions. Kaspersky is very poor on this one. Gameguard is used in dozens of games, the least they could do is update their defs.
Of course, what were you thinking? Gameguard needs to use low level systems calls to catch/block hacks/botting/cheat tools that work on those lower system levels. (of course it doesn't block all of them, but something is better than nothing). Nothing surprising here. Update your system security tool or use one that works properly. And if I were you I would ask for a refund from kaspersky. |
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9/08/09 11:53:15 PM#14
Originally posted by BigMango
Gameguard IS the problem... There are a lot of good anti hack programs in other games that do not install hidden drivers in your system that are not uninstallable... I have Kaspersky 2010, it's one of the best anti-viruses out there, I will not uninstall it and get a cheap AV just to get GG working when infact, GG is the problem. GG is one of the most hated anti-hack programs on the market, it does not stop anyone from hacking, it installs 2 hidden drivers in your system, and is always bugging the games. EQ, EQ2, WoW, LOTRO, and many more p2p games that have integrated anti-hack programs that you do not even know the existence, they never cause any problems to anyone and they work at 99% of the time. A game as big as Aion, they already have 5 mill subs in Asia, they will probably get another 3-4 mill in EU and NA, and NcSoft insists on using a crappy software like GG? I really don't get it... I have 3 games that use gameguard, unfortunately GG is causing me a huge problem, every time I play one of these games, and then logoff the game, back to the desktop, I can't do anything on my computer anymore, all I can do is reboot. I tried all the methods to uninstall GG and none work. All I can really do is Format my HD, which is really stupid. Right now I am not playing any of the games with GG because of that and I will probably format in a couple of months because I already formatted my computer 2 months ago. And then no more GG games for me, that's for sure... Go to any f2p game's forums that uses GG and you'll see that half the forums are flooded with complaints about GG. Go to any other games forums that do not use GG, and you rarely see anyone complaining about having problems with other anti-hack systems. That is a proof that GG is a crappy product that must cease to exist. |
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9/09/09 12:21:22 AM#15
No, the problem is Kaspersky 2010 (Kapsersky 2009 works). Kaspersky 2010 doesn't work properly. It automatically adds rules and you can neither change nor remove them (Kaspersky 2009 doesn't have this bug). The only option is to uninstall it, disabling is not enough. It's bugged, what do you want? Call kaspersky and complain to them, not here. I had KIS 2010, I know where you are coming form. There are dozens of users who have complained on the kaspersky forums. Hopefully they'll push a fix out soon (unfortunately kaspersky has sometimes been known to take months to fix issues, we'll see how it works out).
There are a lot of good anti-viruses that work properly. Check out NOD32 for one. As for the uninstall part, it uninstalls properly on my system.
Yes its one of the best, but its bugged (probably because it's still too new). Go back to ksapersky 2009 if you cannot do without kaspersky.
Your bugged AV is the problem. And you don't need to use a cheap AV. There are a couple AVs at the top with kaspersky; NOD32 is one of them and it works fine.
Yes it does not prevent everything but still it prevents many hacking tools. Imho, doing something against the hacks is better than doing nothing.
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9/09/09 12:37:26 AM#16
Well I am sorry to say that you are wrong. In KIS 2010, you can change rules for programs. All you need to do is go to settings, firewall, then settings again, and you get a list of all the software, you click on the software you want and do add and voila! GG and Aion have full access to my computer unfortunately. But Gameguard still bugs, and the problem is not Kaspersky, it's GG that is just a bad buggy software. I don't even know why you are defending GG. Before replying, go and read all the bad stuff that GG is causing to a lot of people, and I am not just talking about our AV giving it access, I am talking about the software giving people a hard time in a lot of technical aspects. Just choose 4-5 random games that use GG and go to their technical assistance forums and look at the number of posts about GG. Just the problem that GG is causing me that I described in my previous response is a huge problem. That is a problem that no program should ever be able to cause. GG is just a bad apple, and nothing will ever change that, it is the worst anti-hack software out there and it will always be, period. I just hope NcSoft will decide not to keep it and integrate an anti-hack system directly into Aion like ALL other p2p games do. |
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9/09/09 12:52:12 AM#17
Ok this is some info I got from Microsoft bout Gamegard. Thers is no cut and paste as I talked to the tech on the phone. If you are running Vista...there is a KNOWN compatablity issue with Gameguard. Some programs INCLUDING Microsoft's own malware removal program, has been known to detect Gameguard as malware. It doesnt happen all the time and the tech told me it seems more common with the Vista Home Premium versions both 32 and 64 bit.
I also contacted ATI bout heat issues on my card only showing up with AION and soon as I said AION the tech groaned and said ..Gameguard is also affecting the ATI Radeon HD cards..guess what i have. :( There is no know fix yet and
Yeah..GAmeguard can cause headaches for some of us and I hoep soo NCSoft does something but i nto holdig my breath 
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9/09/09 12:57:26 AM#18
Man, get yourself informed before posting. At the very least, check the kaspersky forums. This has been a known problem with KIS 2010 for sometime now.
If KIS 2010 worked properly this is how it should be, yes. The problem is that KIS 2010 does not work properly (2009 does). Sometimes it automatically adds rules you can't change/remove (this is what it did to me and to dozens of other users - its a bug). These rules then conflict and you have the problem we see with gameguard and some other software. ... and then you also have the problem that it fails to disable itself properly when you manually disable it. KIS 2010 was obviously rushed out the door too early.
That's what I'm saying, this is due to the KIS 2010 bug -> the forced rules conflict with your rules and you can do nothing about it. You can go back to kaspersky 2009 until they fix their software or use another AV.
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9/09/09 8:18:15 AM#19
WOW, do you even read before posting? I will try to say it more slowly... KIS 2010 i s n o t t h e p r o b l e m, I n e v e r h a d a n y i s s u e s r e l a t i n g t o k a s p e r s k y. R e a d m y f i r s t p o s t i n t h i s t o p i c a n d y o u w i l l s e e t h a t m y p r o b l e m h a s n o t h i n g t o d o w i t h m y a n t i - v i r u s. Stop knitpicking my posts, read the whole post and you'll see that I'm telling you that GG is a piece of sh*t of a program and it is causing ALL SORTS of bugs, not only A V bugs. D o y o u u n d e r s t a n d m e n o w ?
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9/09/09 8:43:39 AM#20
Originally posted by Golarum If im being honest and remember I have no side on this "debate" but spacing your letters like that actually made it harder for me to read....Just providing you some feedback to your question. |
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