Originally posted by Evasia

Originally posted by ChinaCat

I replied in the other thread before seeing you made your own thread with these dire predictions, so I'll just copy my thoughts.

If for you, EZ-Mode is a game that reduces the curve for obtaining skill gains, that's your opinion. To me, all this change in mecahnics did was reduce the distance between casual players and those who simply have more time to play. DFO at its core is a PvP Game. As such, we have no "Auto Targeting", no "see 360 degrees around you", no "radar to warn of enemies", and a "full loot drop at death" penalty for dying. Hitting TAB and pressing a button to attack is EZ-Mode. Dying and getting a free trip back to ones bind stone with no other loss is EZ-Mode. Being sure of who the enemy is, and where they are is EZ-Mode. Clearly, our ideas of what makes a PvP Game easy, and what doesn't is very different.

-CC
 

 

 

Lol you reply by explaining how Darkfall works hahaha priceless:P

And still you dont get it do you?

I know you said that you did not macro/exploit thats great so i presume you play as me just natural development right?

But i had a great time np with grind and pvp i followed this game for years and years and it was always mentioned this game was hardcore only, it seems you had a rough time first six months frustrated this game was so hard lol.

I on the other hand just played this game as it always was intended a mmo that you gonne play for years NOT EASY MODE AND MAX SKILL IN 1MONTH.

Thats why you make no logic at all you say you play legit but now i realy doub you ever did and that you even care for Darkfall.

You just want a easy game dumbdown so you can catch up and all those other casuals.

I on other hand want a mmo thats hard and not easy to get to skill cap as DARFALL alwasy was intended to be you guys RUIN this game bah:(

Ban all those bloody cheaters afk-macroers thats what should have happen not come up with solutions to make game more easy so most can catch up with CHEATERS WTF is that why devs think so stupid to fix cheater problem by making game more easy.

And game is no grind all who say that just dont know how to play this game and just pls go some bloody themepark you all dont belong in Darkfall.

But as minority i will eventually lose to all ezmode casual gamers hardcore games is dying genre im affraid.

Devs have abandon there hardcore followers and try make game playable for ex-themeparkers bah:(

So basically slow character development = hardcore for you?

I understand where you are coming from and I know that Aventurine initially intended to have this but seriously, you think the game is not hardcore anymore because they are making it easier to level?  If you truly believe that then you must believe that the amount of playtime someone has solely determines how hardcore they are.  Me personally, I do not believe that and this is where I agree with CC.  The slower character development is not the only thing that makes it hardcore.  Things like full loot and no auto target contribute to the the "hardcoreness" of DF.   That being said, even with the faster character leveling I still consider (and maybe even most? who knows?) this game to be hardcore because this game still seems to be "harsh".

Lastly, don't blame the "ex-WoW" or the "ex-themeparkers", they just want a more even playing field with the macroers.  You blame the macroers for cheating, and Aventurine for not finding other solutions to curb this problem.

Originally posted by DarthRaiden

That is the concept of DarkFall just applied not to a single skill but to all skills available. I remember the quote in the journal about  that ..something along the lines of  'being able to learn every skill to max but would take a looong time to complete'.

Sorry. This is absurd. In a year DF will be "The war of Über-Clones". I like habilities games more than level ones, but if everybody can be the best archer and the best warrior and the best mage and the best healer and the best manufacturer, it is irreal and unfun.

Originally posted by Evasia

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Evasia

These same players who now all shout its an great patch are the ones who quit when they reach skill cap.

Casuals ex-themeparkesr have for months now keep making topics and whine game is to hard to much grind and ask for dumbdown well devs are weak so they bow and got what they got.

These same players ex-themeparkers whiners all these months are also the ones who have afk-macroed bloodwalled and exploit, maybe few exceptions but i see what whiners ingame do and say they whine and then go cheating bah:(

But the sad thing is the original hardcore players quit becouse game to easy and ex-themeparkers quit becouse they have reach end game when they reach skill cap.

Many will have high magic soon and find out there still owned and suck so they all quit or keep whining or go to forum nerf  this nerf that.

 

Thats the reality how it stands now.

Im half way avarage with my skills i play 6 months and play alot thats how it should be, not in few weeks max skills if you want that go play one of these silly thmepark games.

 

Most are little kids that wanne pawn own but bored fast and move on to next mmo do you want that to happen with darkfall.

And dont come with bloody excuses that you be owned when step out of race/clantowns becouse i play solo wear always plate armor and with avarage skills like rigor on 50 defence on 32 and win some lose some but still have fun.

All who afk-macro or bloodwall or exploit are carebears in my book and you are the ones that ruin this great game:(

 

This makes no sense to me. The ones who exploited have already reached the skill caps. All they're doing is leveling the playing field for those who refuse to grind away like a bunch of monkeys. If grinding is what you want to do go play a Korean game. It's all they are.

 

I was exspecting this kind of answer its funny you guys can't undertsand what i mean lol, but you prolly never will :(

I understand, as I am sure others do.

What it all boils down to is the fact that the type of people that play "T.he W.ay I.t I.s I.ntended ™", WILL NOT be in sufficient numbers to support the game.

Even with that, Aventurine's skill system was never fully tested by "real" people, and now they are going to pay the price for not investing the money nor time to do so.

That's why we are seeing all this now. That's my opinion of course. 

So the people that play 24/7 for 3 months till they reach the cap

and then quit the game because "there is nothing more left to do" are the REAL supporters of the game???

Why this doesn't make any sense at all ?

If i play "as intended" i am about to play much longer then people that macro day and night!

its a different mindset... i am in for the FUN! Not for maxing my character out and then quit..

so while i have fun i'll stay.. and pay.

Macroers, power gamers, expoiters and all this bunch of loosers can go.... game will be much better without you.

Originally posted by Evasia

These same players who now all shout its an great patch are the ones who quit when they reach skill cap.

Casuals ex-themeparkesr have for months now keep making topics and whine game is to hard to much grind and ask for dumbdown well devs are weak so they bow and got what they got.

These same players ex-themeparkers whiners all these months are also the ones who have afk-macroed bloodwalled and exploit, maybe few exceptions but i see what whiners ingame do and say they whine and then go cheating bah:(

But the sad thing is the original hardcore players quit becouse game to easy and ex-themeparkers quit becouse they have reach end game when they reach skill cap.

Many will have high magic soon and find out there still owned and suck so they all quit or keep whining or go to forum nerf  this nerf that.

 

Thats the reality how it stands now.

Im half way avarage with my skills i play 6 months and play alot thats how it should be, not in few weeks max skills if you want that go play one of these silly thmepark games.

 

Most are little kids that wanne pawn own but bored fast and move on to next mmo do you want that to happen with darkfall.

And dont come with bloody excuses that you be owned when step out of race/clantowns becouse i play solo wear always plate armor and with avarage skills like rigor on 50 defence on 32 and win some lose some but still have fun.

All who afk-macro or bloodwall or exploit are carebears in my book and you are the ones that ruin this great game:(

At 1st, i was like go back to runescape to raise your skills the highest possible only to a goal of pwning players with less skills then you, but when i decided to read further, i was right yeah, you are right at 100% Fuck those players who wanted an RS kind of grind

Originally posted by ChinaCat

I replied in the other thread before seeing you made your own thread with these dire predictions, so I'll just copy my thoughts.

If for you, EZ-Mode is a game that reduces the curve for obtaining skill gains, that's your opinion. To me, all this change in mecahnics did was reduce the distance between casual players and those who simply have more time to play. DFO at its core is a PvP Game. As such, we have no "Auto Targeting", no "see 360 degrees around you", no "radar to warn of enemies", and a "full loot drop at death" penalty for dying. Hitting TAB and pressing a button to attack is EZ-Mode. Dying and getting a free trip back to ones bind stone with no other loss is EZ-Mode. Being sure of who the enemy is, and where they are is EZ-Mode. Clearly, our ideas of what makes a PvP Game easy, and what doesn't is very different.

-CC
 

 

For the dying and regen armor is ez-mode, it is, but when the newest patch that will come soon, it wont be anymore because banks will be local and caravan will be introduced. I think that the economy will be better then before too and there will be player run shop if i remember.

Im not sure how the player run shop will be, but if its something like you open a shop in your protected castle while you are afk and someone come in and have to click on you to take the items, it will be perfect.

Originally posted by Evasia

Originally posted by zymurgeist

Originally posted by Evasia

These same players who now all shout its an great patch are the ones who quit when they reach skill cap.

Casuals ex-themeparkesr have for months now keep making topics and whine game is to hard to much grind and ask for dumbdown well devs are weak so they bow and got what they got.

These same players ex-themeparkers whiners all these months are also the ones who have afk-macroed bloodwalled and exploit, maybe few exceptions but i see what whiners ingame do and say they whine and then go cheating bah:(

But the sad thing is the original hardcore players quit becouse game to easy and ex-themeparkers quit becouse they have reach end game when they reach skill cap.

Many will have high magic soon and find out there still owned and suck so they all quit or keep whining or go to forum nerf  this nerf that.

 

Thats the reality how it stands now.

Im half way avarage with my skills i play 6 months and play alot thats how it should be, not in few weeks max skills if you want that go play one of these silly thmepark games.

 

Most are little kids that wanne pawn own but bored fast and move on to next mmo do you want that to happen with darkfall.

And dont come with bloody excuses that you be owned when step out of race/clantowns becouse i play solo wear always plate armor and with avarage skills like rigor on 50 defence on 32 and win some lose some but still have fun.

All who afk-macro or bloodwall or exploit are carebears in my book and you are the ones that ruin this great game:(

 

This makes no sense to me. The ones who exploited have already reached the skill caps. All they're doing is leveling the playing field for those who refuse to grind away like a bunch of monkeys. If grinding is what you want to do go play a Korean game. It's all they are.

 

I was exspecting this kind of answer its funny you guys can't undertsand what i mean lol, but you prolly never will :(

I won't if you never learn to coherently express yourself.