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Recently i started playing the Witcher again, for those that don't know it, a singeplayer RPG, fully voiced over, somewhat linear, character progression, choices that do influence the story, basically all that SWTOR promisses without the MMO part. The really good thing about this game is ..... immersion ... i can play this night after night and really BE the witcher. Been playing it for over 30 hours now and have not even seen a quarter of the game yet. There hasn't been a single mmo for me in a while that could keep me interested this long :)
I really hope SWTOR manages to do this ... to really be my character. A story that grabs me. Not being able to let go because I want more, more, more. Not for the sake of levelling up .... only to learn what's around the next corner .... who i'll be meeting next .... or what my next adventure will be. An rpg needs to be played like you are a main character in a book. I think this game has the best chances in providing that, where fully voiced over is a MAJOR plus to me.
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9/08/09 7:04:52 AM#2
Op, I agree. I also like a great story. Many other MMO players don't so I don't think the playerbase of TOR will be the same as Wow have. But it is nice that someone finally making a mmoRPG, I just hope the succed in making it fun to play also. |
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9/08/09 12:20:47 PM#3
I am also a big fan of story. I have long felt that this element has been missing from MMORPGs. There is a general lack of purpose to many of these games. Everyone usually grinds towards the end game without any reason for doing so. A great Bioware-style storyline can only serve to enhance the leveling experience in my opinion. I can't wait to see what Bioware has done with it! |
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StuBidasoe
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9/08/09 12:56:50 PM#4
Agreed. That is what makes gaming fun for me. Being able to immerse yourself into a games world and characters is the reason I play MMORPGs. Eventually my competitive nature gets the best of me after getting to top level. That's when I ratchet up my gaming to seriously take on the pvp and endgame portion of games but I always have more fun leveling. SWTOR is the first game I'm seriously considering RPing (never thought I'd fit in with the RPers). Never tried it but if SWTOR's story is that good then I might give it a go at least once. |
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9/08/09 2:34:47 PM#5
My first mmo was ffxi, which idnt have much story driven gameplay, then i played star wars galaxies. SWG was the game that made me want story in an mmo. Since i already knew the lore i knew what i was fighting for and how it affected the world, but it was represented well in that game. So since then i have always wanted to have an mmo that was heavy on story! im happy to see SWTOR and i hope they keep true to it, but also make it a good mmo experience.
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9/08/09 2:39:35 PM#6
Too bad so many people need to be held by the hand and led around a premade linear path (with pretty much a yes or no option to everything - which is still linear)... Why is it that STORY is to be told what to do, think and feel? What happened to making your own story? ____________________________ |
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StuBidasoe
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9/08/09 2:48:06 PM#7
Originally posted by Draccan
Then why ever watch a movie, TV show, or read a book? To be entertained. You don't get it and prolly never will. I hear SOE is making a clone wars era MMO now. So go bug the company that actually ruined SWG and tell them to let you make your own story in their new Star Wars MMO. BioWare isn't making SWTOR for you. |
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maskedweasel
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9/08/09 2:55:23 PM#8
Originally posted by StuBidasoe
Then why ever watch a movie, TV show, or read a book? To be entertained. You don't get it and prolly never will. I hear SOE is making a clone wars era MMO now. So go bug the company that actually ruined SWG and tell them to let you make your own story in their new Star Wars MMO. BioWare isn't making SWTOR for you.
I think this is my favorite post of the day. "Loan me a Dragon I wanna see space"
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9/08/09 2:55:57 PM#9
Originally posted by Anubisan
Second. I really want to see how it turns out. So far it looks great. Veritas Vos Liberabit- The truth will set you free. |
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9/08/09 2:56:13 PM#10
Originally posted by StuBidasoe
Then why ever watch a movie, TV show, or read a book? To be entertained. You don't get it and prolly never will. I hear SOE is making a clone wars era MMO now. So go bug the company that actually ruined SWG and tell them to let you make your own story in their new Star Wars MMO. BioWare isn't making SWTOR for you.
You got that last part right. SW ToR is not for me. I prefer massive multi-player games with non-linear content! ____________________________ |
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maskedweasel
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9/08/09 2:59:42 PM#11
Originally posted by Draccan
You got that last part right. SW ToR is not for me. I prefer massive multi-player games with non-linear content!
Hey bud, I hear ya, now that you said that and we all have it documented can we move on and you can stop saying it in every ToR thread? "Loan me a Dragon I wanna see space"
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9/08/09 3:02:01 PM#12
Originally posted by maskedweasel
You got that last part right. SW ToR is not for me. I prefer massive multi-player games with non-linear content!
Hey bud, I hear ya, now that you said that and we all have it documented can we move on and you can stop saying it in every ToR thread?
This is a thread about immersion. The way the OP describes this he makes it sound like getting your hand held and being led around a SW themepark is great story. I think story is something more than that in terms of mmos. Go play a single-player game ____________________________ |
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9/08/09 3:06:05 PM#13
Originally posted by Draccan
I'm seriously getting sick of you. I'm just going to start reporting your posts, they are never constructive, full of insults. You just bring nothing to the table. But I'm going to answer your question the best way I know how. I can literally say this is not SWG, ok? SWG motto was "the best story ever told, yours and mine", ToR is not SWG. ToR revolves around a story alreay laid out for you, one that you can make choices, if you don't like it, grow up and move on. Why is this such a difficult thing to see? And since you probably won't get it, allow me to dumb it down for you. What happened to making your own story? It's still there, go back to SWG, because ToR is not for you. I can't even believe the age in your profile is correct, I would knock of 20 years and figure it to be true. |
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StuBidasoe
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9/08/09 3:18:17 PM#14
Originally posted by Draccan
Hey bud, I hear ya, now that you said that and we all have it documented can we move on and you can stop saying it in every ToR thread?
This is a thread about immersion. The way the OP describes this he makes it sound like getting your hand held and being led around a SW themepark is great story. I think story is something more than that in terms of mmos. Go play a single-player game Go back to watching your homemade movies and reading only books that you wrote. We all know you're just trolling to be trolling. You're not getting SWG back so get over it. You just don't get it. There are alot of different types of MMOs and apparently you can't stand it. Sandbox games that are good don't lose their population, it grows year after year, so every sandbox release after that will suffer from lack of sandbox gamers to pull from. Believe it or not most online gamers aren't into sandboxes cause they can't afford to trade real life for virtual life. There are sandboxes that have been around for 10 years with very good loyal populations. You can't have every single MMO emulate the sandbox style you want. It's not innovative or profitable. If you're lucky you might get a good sandbox every couple of years. You should just learn to enjoy them when they come. Your bs is about as dumb as a FPS gamer wanting SWTOR to be like Halo or CoD. Just because they are a Star Wars fan and they deserve a good Star Wars fps. |
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9/08/09 10:52:35 PM#15
Originally posted by StuBidasoe
Hey bud, I hear ya, now that you said that and we all have it documented can we move on and you can stop saying it in every ToR thread?
This is a thread about immersion. The way the OP describes this he makes it sound like getting your hand held and being led around a SW themepark is great story. I think story is something more than that in terms of mmos. Go play a single-player game Go back to watching your homemade movies and reading only books that you wrote. We all know you're just trolling to be trolling. You're not getting SWG back so get over it. You just don't get it. There are alot of different types of MMOs and apparently you can't stand it. Sandbox games that are good don't lose their population, it grows year after year, so every sandbox release after that will suffer from lack of sandbox gamers to pull from. Believe it or not most online gamers aren't into sandboxes cause they can't afford to trade real life for virtual life. There are sandboxes that have been around for 10 years with very good loyal populations. You can't have every single MMO emulate the sandbox style you want. It's not innovative or profitable. If you're lucky you might get a good sandbox every couple of years. You should just learn to enjoy them when they come. Your bs is about as dumb as a FPS gamer wanting SWTOR to be like Halo or CoD. Just because they are a Star Wars fan and they deserve a good Star Wars fps.
no you just don't get it sandbox mmos are the best way to go if you want immerision look at how many people said pre-cu swg was one of the greatest mmos made and all $OE had to do is fix what was broken. rather $OE got bored and decided to turn SWG into the NGE and ruin the game for 250k people. and now the NGE only has maybe 1k if not less playing. me and many others do not want to see tor fail and that is why we are asking that bioware drop the game as is and rework it into a sandbox title that everyone can enjoy and love. after all 4 years later i still see tons of people talking about how great pre-cu swg was. and now all i hear is people sick of level class based mmos get a clue bioware and give the players what they want. |
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9/08/09 10:58:06 PM#16
I love story! Love it in books, movies, etc... and in standalone rpgs. In mmo's however, still loving story, I never want to be captive to it, never want to be told who and what I am. For what I like in an MMO, i prefer the kind that provides story, even a compelling one, as a framework, a context for players to play in, not to play out. |
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9/08/09 11:00:46 PM#17
Would you pay $15/ month to play The Witcher?
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9/08/09 11:27:07 PM#18
Originally posted by stillkillin
This is a thread about immersion. The way the OP describes this he makes it sound like getting your hand held and being led around a SW themepark is great story. I think story is something more than that in terms of mmos. Go play a single-player game Go back to watching your homemade movies and reading only books that you wrote. We all know you're just trolling to be trolling. You're not getting SWG back so get over it. You just don't get it. There are alot of different types of MMOs and apparently you can't stand it. Sandbox games that are good don't lose their population, it grows year after year, so every sandbox release after that will suffer from lack of sandbox gamers to pull from. Believe it or not most online gamers aren't into sandboxes cause they can't afford to trade real life for virtual life. There are sandboxes that have been around for 10 years with very good loyal populations. You can't have every single MMO emulate the sandbox style you want. It's not innovative or profitable. If you're lucky you might get a good sandbox every couple of years. You should just learn to enjoy them when they come. Your bs is about as dumb as a FPS gamer wanting SWTOR to be like Halo or CoD. Just because they are a Star Wars fan and they deserve a good Star Wars fps.
no you just don't get it sandbox mmos are the best way to go if you want immerision look at how many people said pre-cu swg was one of the greatest mmos made and all $OE had to do is fix what was broken. rather $OE got bored and decided to turn SWG into the NGE and ruin the game for 250k people. and now the NGE only has maybe 1k if not less playing. me and many others do not want to see tor fail and that is why we are asking that bioware drop the game as is and rework it into a sandbox title that everyone can enjoy and love. after all 4 years later i still see tons of people talking about how great pre-cu swg was. and now all i hear is people sick of level class based mmos get a clue bioware and give the players what they want. No i don't think you get it, bioware is not gonna go to the sandbox style you want, their not gonna give you SWG2 no matter how much you cry about it. I'd say you got a better chance of SWG:ANH finishing the emulator for your precious pre-cu then bioware scrapping their project and turning it into the sandbox SWG2 you so desperately want. The fact that you pre-cu nubs keep saying how this game is gonna be, like you know and played it is hilarious. You've proven by your trolling you'll do or say anything to try and ruin this game for the people who are waiting for it.
Oh and to quote you from another post "anyone who is a true gamer should be on the tor forums demanding that bioware do what we the players want and give us what we want." <--this is like me going on voyage century forums, demanding IGG change voyage century back to the way it was when i first played. News flash buddy, it's never gonna happen, just do what i did and move on cause your never EVER gonna get bioware to change the game for 250k crying nubs. As simple as i could put this, either play it or don't play it, learn how to make your own games if it bothers you that much.
Edit: i watched these, a Q&A with 2 guys from LA and 2 guys from BW, kinda cleared up some questions i had about the game, some might of seen this, some might not have. http://www.ustream.tv/channel/darth-hater-live-at-pax |
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9/08/09 11:29:37 PM#19
Originally posted by stillkillin Nice attempt to re-write history. Pre-NGE SWG was so great? How about some facts for a change? You got one thing right, NGE might have 'ruined' the game for its 250k players. But the game sold ONE MILLION units. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/star-wars-galaxies-sales-top-a-million-units So this 'great' game managed to lose 75% of its players since its release. And you want Bioware to *follow* it as a model?? MMORPGs are supposed to grow subscription numbers after their release, not lose them and only retain 25% of their players. Note the date of the linked article - it is three months before the release of NGE on Nov 2005. I love how people forget that SOE didn't release NGE because they were 'bored' or to deliberately annoy the fraction of players who kept clinging to it. People somehow fail to remember the MMORPG market at that time even though it wasn't that long ago. WoW had been released and it was showing that there was a HUGE market out there for MMORPGs, but PRE-NGE SWG was such a bad game it couldn't attract any of those players even with an IP far more popular than Warcraft. Admittedly, SOE's lame attempt to fix the game only made it worse, but nothing SOE could have done would have turned SWG into a decent game that would have attracted real numbers of players. The main lessons SWG has for Bioware is how to make a game that drives away players, not attract or keep them. SWG was crippled as a game long before NGE ever came out regardless of the niche audience of hardcores who were willing to accept the stupid premise of setting the game during the movies to the time-sink game mechanics. NGE just put the game out of its misery. |
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StuBidasoe
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9/08/09 11:36:41 PM#20
Originally posted by stillkillin
This is a thread about immersion. The way the OP describes this he makes it sound like getting your hand held and being led around a SW themepark is great story. I think story is something more than that in terms of mmos. Go play a single-player game Go back to watching your homemade movies and reading only books that you wrote. We all know you're just trolling to be trolling. You're not getting SWG back so get over it. You just don't get it. There are alot of different types of MMOs and apparently you can't stand it. Sandbox games that are good don't lose their population, it grows year after year, so every sandbox release after that will suffer from lack of sandbox gamers to pull from. Believe it or not most online gamers aren't into sandboxes cause they can't afford to trade real life for virtual life. There are sandboxes that have been around for 10 years with very good loyal populations. You can't have every single MMO emulate the sandbox style you want. It's not innovative or profitable. If you're lucky you might get a good sandbox every couple of years. You should just learn to enjoy them when they come. Your bs is about as dumb as a FPS gamer wanting SWTOR to be like Halo or CoD. Just because they are a Star Wars fan and they deserve a good Star Wars fps.
no you just don't get it sandbox mmos are the best way to go if you want immerision look at how many people said pre-cu swg was one of the greatest mmos made and all $OE had to do is fix what was broken. rather $OE got bored and decided to turn SWG into the NGE and ruin the game for 250k people. and now the NGE only has maybe 1k if not less playing. me and many others do not want to see tor fail and that is why we are asking that bioware drop the game as is and rework it into a sandbox title that everyone can enjoy and love. after all 4 years later i still see tons of people talking about how great pre-cu swg was. and now all i hear is people sick of level class based mmos get a clue bioware and give the players what they want. All the dilusional SWG vets can stop acting like they speak for some huge group. You are in a very small minority of gamers. If 250k is the best number of subs you can give then I'm sure BioWare will still pass on making SWTOR a sandbox. After all they sold over 270k boxes of KOTOR the first two weeks just on Xbox! BioWare knows their audience just a little better than any of you do. SWTOR won't fail without some huge disaster that drives people away (like turning it into a sandbox). If sandbox gamers would quit nitpicking, hacking, exploiting, and ruining games made for you then maybe a new one could come out of the woodworks with a decent following. In all honesty all the whining the SWG vets do I'm not inclined to give any new sandboxes a shot. I'd rather not play with that kind of a community. I'll take the WoW bads anyday over that. |
