Originally posted by Seikninkuru

Since you're all fucking retarded.

 

Guild Wars is not a true MMORPG, scratch that off.

 

Free 2 Play MMORPGs are complete and utter shit.  The Free 2 Play model stymies product development.  You do know that just about every F2P MMORPG is developed in Asia, where it is P2P, it is only F2P in the US because the games don't have enough substance to warrant the pricing of P2P.  The development of F2P games in the US is localization, IE: Translating stuff.

 

LOTRO is $14.99 a month, unles you happen to subscribe at certain times with certain promotions.  These include the launch of a new expansion, being a founder, and sometimes at Christmas.  The pricing would be $9.99 a month or you can purchase a lifetime subscription for $199.99.  So stfu you're a retard.

I'll give you FFXI, and I have no idea on WoW pricing.

$49.99 + $14.99 a month with options for discounts on three and six month subscriptions is quite standard.  Now if you can't get mommy and daddy to give you that, get a job.  If you have a job and you can't afford that, you need to really try and figure out what the fuck is wrong in your life.

 

 

I think you got your point across..

sorry I couldn't resist. ROFL!

Originally posted by cukimunga

Originally posted by Interesting

Just came to say that the words "inferior" or "superior" are NOT subjective terms.

I think they are because its all about the person opinion.  10 mill people think WoW is superior but I think it is inferior.

One mans trash is another mans treasure.

 

Amen cuki. Of course, people who see themselves as an authority on everything won't agree with you. The thought that someone else could possibly disagree with them and be right escapes them. Taking it one farther in that there could exist a possibility of "multiple rights" on a given subject or that two different people could have two different tastes that are "right" for them (like one guy arguing Coca-cola is superior and another guy arguing Pepsi is superior; both are superior for the respective individual, but not universally superior)...well, that's just nonsense, they say, lol.

There is no universally superior or inferior MMO. It can only be measured on an by individual basis. Certain things like refining natural materials and other processes of that like can be scientifically qualified as superior or inferior by multitudes of hard, fast numbers. Like making iron or steel. So, depending on the the subject, inferior and superior can be used as qualitative measurements, and are thus "subjective".

MMO quality is based on human tastes, of which there is no universal concrete measure.

If you wait a few months the box price will fall. Given the state of this game, you might be better off waiting anyway. I was in the beta, and I'm going to hold off on buying the game at this time. Depending on how it develops, I might jump in down the road.

The $15 subscription seems pretty standard anymore. I'm just not ready to give them that for the game right now.

edit: spelling and grammer

Originally posted by Seikninkuru

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Now if you can't get mommy and daddy to give you that, get a job.  If you have a job and you can't afford that, you need to really try and figure out what the fuck is wrong in your life.

  

I really start to loath that card. The matter is not if one can afford to pay $50 or not. If that would be my only expense, omg I wouldn't give a crap about it even if the game would be the worst ever.

But you see, things add up, it's a small fee here and a small cost there. And so on... And the money slips away. I bougth strings for my guitar $30 or close (conversion rate], that's just $30. Ask anyone playing guitar if that is cheap. Sometimes I need to fuel the car.

The list of these small costs ends up to 3  figures, sometimes 4 figures. And I think about if I want to or if things really are needed even if only equals someting like $5. No not because I need to find what is wrong with my life, just simply because there is a bottom in the money pit.

I would rather think that if you are going to reconsider what you are spending money on, finding the faults in your life, because you for the moment "can't afford" to pay for a game. If... then you really are out on thin ice here.

Whenever I read complaints on games about graphics I have a "zipper moment". As all guys know (and this is a bit of a tangent) if you mis-zip your pants zipper, your more than likely never going to repeat that mistake again. Now back on track for me, Onimusha was a "zipper-moment" for game play and purchasing. I admit I love the graphics and dished out the $50 for it.

I finished the game i under 2-days and was sorely disappointed for it. As hyped as the game was and as great as it was graphically, its wasn't either very dynamic or kept me hooked. As far as mmo's go, you won't find examples really of a game having incredible graphics as well as a great storyline. Closest I'd put in is EVE really. Fallen Earth won't have the same graphic-content as a game say Aion does but its like comic books; Marvel always was better drawn but DC had the better storyline and the latter stayed afloat longer.

But that's the catch really, what do you value really in a game? Fallen Earth isn't such a throwback that you'll feel like your playing Ultima or EQ visually speaking. But if the storyline sucks, what does that leave you with? As far as observations go, I think more of the mature audience that prefer substance and content will take and accept Fallen Earth. And as far as the fee goes, $15 a month is generous given I spend more on McDonalds Coffee a month (throw in Starbucks and DD and seriously, that's REALLY generous).

For those that get caught up with graphics, by all means, play WoW, play Aion or something else. I don't think those on FE will mind at all. One thing to remember is after playing a month, will content keep players or its good-looks?

Just a couple little points imho.

#1 - I do not quite understand why some of you think this game should be cheaper since it's from an indie company and not "AAA".  The last 5 "AAA" games I have played were not worth the poo ring around my toilet, ala WAR, Conan, CO, CoH, (BASICALLY EVERY GAME SINCE WOW with a rat dick small # of exceptions) which brings me to the conclusion that a game is worth what it's worth to the individual player.  If you complain about the price then you should probably find yourself another game.  Of course this is just my opinion but this game so far exceeds the above listed titles by leaps and bounds even with FEs little pecadillos.  I love sandbox games. Eve you rock but I grow weary of spaceships.

#2 - If you cannot afford $50 and $15 a month (not including the month and a half "free" gametime that comes with preorder) then you honestly need to get your scrub fingers off the keyboard long enough to find a job.  The way I figure it I think it is safe to say the average mmo player spends at least 20 hours a week playing his / her game.  If you take that conservative figure and factor in a months playtime at about 80 hours a month divided by $15 thats about 19 cents an hour.  If you cannot afford 19 cents an hour for a hobby then I really feel sorry for your girlfriends. 

#3 - Nobody likes a broke ass

Originally posted by scribe331

Just a couple little points imho.

#1 - I do not quite understand why some of you think this game should be cheaper since it's from an indie company and not "AAA".  The last 5 "AAA" games I have played were not worth the poo ring around my toilet, ala WAR, Conan, CO, CoH, (BASICALLY EVERY GAME SINCE WOW with a rat dick small # of exceptions) which brings me to the conclusion that a game is worth what it's worth to the individual player.  If you complain about the price then you should probably find yourself another game.  Of course this is just my opinion but this game so far exceeds the above listed titles by leaps and bounds even with FEs little pecadillos.  I love sandbox games. Eve you rock but I grow weary of spaceships.

#2 - If you cannot afford $50 and $15 a month (not including the month and a half "free" gametime that comes with preorder) then you honestly need to get your scrub fingers off the keyboard long enough to find a job.  The way I figure it I think it is safe to say the average mmo player spends at least 20 hours a week playing his / her game.  If you take that conservative figure and factor in a months playtime at about 80 hours a month divided by $15 thats about 19 cents an hour.  If you cannot afford 19 cents an hour for a hobby then I really feel sorry for your girlfriends. 

#3 - Nobody likes a broke ass

Sorry have to reiterate. Grow up, move out from mom & dad. There is not only one expense you will have have, and nope you will not be able to pay just $50 one after another... Unless ofcourse you still live at home and no need to think longer the the span of the nose and can whine to get the next shine thing for your own pleasurement.

FE is not the only avaible and interesting game to play, and for sure not the only hobby people have that play MMO's.

$50 - Eating some cheap fastfood.
$50 - Buying those two set of strings.
$50 - Buying and renting some good movies.
$50 - Buying Fallen Earth.
$50 - Buying AION.
$50 - Buying that cheap recording software.
$50 - Lunch-money for work for those few occations I don't bother to walk home.
$50 - Online fees, for games.
$50 - Buying that shiny thing in the store.
$50 - Buying another shiny thing at the store.
$50 - Some random candy and similar sweets.
$50 - Whatever.

That equals $600, and for shure that list could be made twice as long. For things that I can really don't need and I really could de well without buying. And skipping any one of them, people like you would ask me to reconsider my economic situation. There is other things more expensive things that do need to pay for after leaving mom & das house, adding to the nonessential things to spend money on.

Get a grip.

Nothing on that list is worth that thougth, no matter how much I like it, especially not one singled out item.

It won't turn out to 19cents/h in real life, especially when going into it with it just (another) $50 in mind.
You'll end up a broken ass nobody will like.

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In your pocket, not one penny, And as for friends, you don't have any.

"Once I lived the life of a millionaire,
Spent all my money, I just did not care.
Took all my friends out for a good time,
Bought bootleg whisky, champagne and wine."
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I found Fallen Earth on D2D fro £36.95.

that still cheaper than most games I pay for from a shop

However with a massive stack of MMO due and other games to play the question is

'Will I have time to play this?'

Least my latest MMO purchase was a Lifetime sub so that ok

Originally posted by Orphes

Sorry have to reiterate. Grow up, move out from mom & dad. There is not only one expense you will have have, and nope you will not be able to pay just $50 one after another... Unless ofcourse you still live at home and no need to think longer the the span of the nose and can whine to get the next shine thing for your own pleasurement.

FE is not the only avaible and interesting game to play, and for sure not the only hobby people have that play MMO's.

$50 - Eating some cheap fastfood.
$50 - Buying those two set of strings.
$50 - Buying and renting some good movies.
$50 - Buying Fallen Earth.
$50 - Buying AION.
$50 - Buying that cheap recording software.
$50 - Lunch-money for work for those few occations I don't bother to walk home.
$50 - Online fees, for games.
$50 - Buying that shiny thing in the store.
$50 - Buying another shiny thing at the store.
$50 - Some random candy and similar sweets.
$50 - Whatever.

That equals $600, and for shure that list could be made twice as long. For things that I can really don't need and I really could de well without buying. And skipping any one of them, people like you would ask me to reconsider my economic situation. There is other things more expensive things that do need to pay for after leaving mom & das house, adding to the nonessential things to spend money on.

Get a grip.

Nothing on that list is worth that thougth, no matter how much I like it, especially not one singled out item.

It won't turn out to 19cents/h in real life, especially when going into it with it just (another) $50 in mind.
You'll end up a broken ass nobody will like.

---------

In your pocket, not one penny, And as for friends, you don't have any.

"Once I lived the life of a millionaire,
Spent all my money, I just did not care.
Took all my friends out for a good time,
Bought bootleg whisky, champagne and wine."
---------

 

I'm lost on your whole post.  What does those other things have to do with the price of Fallen Earth.

You want me to say is it to much, and then say I got other things I have to pay for?  What sense does that make at all.  No one cares about your other crap, your bills, etc.  People say is it to much and I can't afford it means one thing: I do not have an extra 50 to spend on the game, simple as that.  So people say, "dude you got more issues than being able to afford a game each month."  Why?  Because if you can not afford 15 a month, you got serious monetary issues, and the last thing you should be worried about is playing a video game.

Your other hobbies and wasteful spending have no relation to whether this is priced to your liking or not.  You choose to spend money on other things. 

To me Fallen Earth IS the only interesting game to play.  So basically your whole statement is your point of view on nothing but a bunch on stuff that has no reason behind it other than you want to save a buck or two.   I have two kids(23months and 4weeks old) and Fallen Earth is the only hobby I have.  So like I said, $50 bucks is a fair price, a f2p MMO appeals to me about as much as a turd coming out of my ass.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by scribe331

Just a couple little points imho.

#1 - I do not quite understand why some of you think this game should be cheaper since it's from an indie company and not "AAA".  The last 5 "AAA" games I have played were not worth the poo ring around my toilet, ala WAR, Conan, CO, CoH, (BASICALLY EVERY GAME SINCE WOW with a rat dick small # of exceptions) which brings me to the conclusion that a game is worth what it's worth to the individual player.  If you complain about the price then you should probably find yourself another game.  Of course this is just my opinion but this game so far exceeds the above listed titles by leaps and bounds even with FEs little pecadillos.  I love sandbox games. Eve you rock but I grow weary of spaceships.

#2 - If you cannot afford $50 and $15 a month (not including the month and a half "free" gametime that comes with preorder) then you honestly need to get your scrub fingers off the keyboard long enough to find a job.  The way I figure it I think it is safe to say the average mmo player spends at least 20 hours a week playing his / her game.  If you take that conservative figure and factor in a months playtime at about 80 hours a month divided by $15 thats about 19 cents an hour.  If you cannot afford 19 cents an hour for a hobby then I really feel sorry for your girlfriends. 

#3 - Nobody likes a broke ass

 

Sorry have to reiterate. Grow up, move out from mom & dad. There is not only one expense you will have have, and nope you will not be able to pay just $50 one after another... Unless ofcourse you still live at home and no need to think longer the the span of the nose and can whine to get the next shine thing for your own pleasurement.

FE is not the only avaible and interesting game to play, and for sure not the only hobby people have that play MMO's.

$50 - Eating some cheap fastfood.
$50 - Buying those two set of strings.
$50 - Buying and renting some good movies.
$50 - Buying Fallen Earth.
$50 - Buying AION.
$50 - Buying that cheap recording software.
$50 - Lunch-money for work for those few occations I don't bother to walk home.
$50 - Online fees, for games.
$50 - Buying that shiny thing in the store.
$50 - Buying another shiny thing at the store.
$50 - Some random candy and similar sweets.
$50 - Whatever.

That equals $600, and for shure that list could be made twice as long. For things that I can really don't need and I really could de well without buying. And skipping any one of them, people like you would ask me to reconsider my economic situation. There is other things more expensive things that do need to pay for after leaving mom & das house, adding to the nonessential things to spend money on.

Get a grip.

Nothing on that list is worth that thougth, no matter how much I like it, especially not one singled out item.

It won't turn out to 19cents/h in real life, especially when going into it with it just (another) $50 in mind.
You'll end up a broken ass nobody will like.

---------

In your pocket, not one penny, And as for friends, you don't have any.

"Once I lived the life of a millionaire,
Spent all my money, I just did not care.
Took all my friends out for a good time,
Bought bootleg whisky, champagne and wine."
---------

 

Well, stop complaining about it. I mean, it isn't going to change. Just man up, make a damn decision and roll with it. Decide not to eat cheap fast food once this month and buy the game OR go stuff your face with a as much unhealthy fast food as you can for $50. What I get from this is you want to try to have it all and can't go with out one for one month to make the one time $50 payment on the other. If you can't make it one month without one of those...well, other things are wrong.

For instance, next month you don't need to buy $50 in guitar strings, unless you really suck at playing guitar and tear these two you just bought up. So, in your $600 budget you just listed, you could purchase a game, or take that block of  $50 and use $30 out of it to pay your subscription fees for FE and Aion if you've already purchased them. Then you still have $20 left to spend on something trivial or, better yet, put into savings.

Almost everyone has expenses. It just sounds like you didn't know that people have to manage those expenses and pick and choose and sometimes go without their usual luxury expenses to get something else that they want.

Originally posted by Khalathwyr 

Well, stop complaining about it. I mean, it isn't going to change. Just man up, make a damn decision and roll with it. Decide not to eat cheap fast food once this month and buy the game OR go stuff your face with a as much unhealthy fast food as you can for $50. What I get from this is you want to try to have it all and can't go with out one for one month to make the one time $50 payment on the other. If you can't make it one month without one of those...well, other things are wrong.

For instance, next month you don't need to buy $50 in guitar strings, unless you really suck at playing guitar and tear these two you just bought up. So, in your $600 budget you just listed, you could purchase a game, or take that block of  $50 and use $30 out of it to pay your subscription fees for FE and Aion if you've already purchased them. Then you still have $20 left to spend on something trivial or, better yet, put into savings.

Almost everyone has expenses. It just sounds like you didn't know that people have to manage those expenses and pick and choose and sometimes go without their usual luxury expenses to get something else that they want.

... I already bougth the game.

Yeah I am complaining though. Because you see... None of the people over at guitarfourm would call me to look over my economic situation if I didn't buy those 2 set of strings because... well. Neither would my friends tell me to look at my economy if I would skip that fastfood. And if it wouldn't be fastfood/strings it would have been something else. (I really should not taking the string into comparison, that is a cost that won't budge on and is regular one.)

Those things, really, are not worth it. Neither is it worth to look over your economy over a lousy game, or a simple fastfood or whatever. That is where I am saying get a grip.

It would be a different thing, if your only expense was $50 (or whatever) but c'mon it isn't if one are, as suggested earlier, not living at mom&dad.

What I am saying is that there is no such thing as just another $50 if you don't want to come out broke ;)

Things add up with that reasoning behind it, just another one... But I recognize what you say... if you have only $45 left of the paycheck today, you're in trouble. But there also another side of it, when you recognize that you have to keep your money and doing so even if you $800 left in the wallet. Because you don't want to end up with $45 2 weeks before the paycheck is due.

And yeah I often consider myself to not afford a few things costing less because I in the end need the money for something else, but that doesnt make it necessary to even remotely consider my economic situation. :S

(BTW my signature is not saying I having economic trouble.)

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Regardless I hesitated before buying this game, I'm starting to feel like a subscription based game shouldn't cost a regular full price anymore. Not this nor any other new and wellrenomed game.

Originally posted by kilun

I'm lost on your whole post.  What does those other things have to do with the price of Fallen Earth.

You want me to say is it to much, and then say I got other things I have to pay for?  What sense does that make at all.  No one cares about your other crap, your bills, etc.  People say is it to much and I can't afford it means one thing: I do not have an extra 50 to spend on the game, simple as that.  So people say, "dude you got more issues than being able to afford a game each month."  Why?  Because if you can not afford 15 a month, you got serious monetary issues, and the last thing you should be worried about is playing a video game.

Your other hobbies and wasteful spending have no relation to whether this is priced to your liking or not.  You choose to spend money on other things. 

To me Fallen Earth IS the only interesting game to play.  So basically your whole statement is your point of view on nothing but a bunch on stuff that has no reason behind it other than you want to save a buck or two.   I have two kids(23months and 4weeks old) and Fallen Earth is the only hobby I have.  So like I said, $50 bucks is a fair price, a f2p MMO appeals to me about as much as a turd coming out of my ass.

Because things add up... and then you are broke. And you have to hit the brakes before that and decide you can't afford it. And it doesn't matter if is a game or whatever it is. I'm not even remotely thinking you or anyone else is slightest interested in my expenses. (It's a list of clear examples so don't bother asking why I put them there.)

Sure I can afford $15 a month over and over until well when. When should I decide that I can't?

You tell  for how long you think it's just $15, $50 or whatever. Until you are all out of money or before? And also answer if you honestly thinks that decision makes you have monetary problems. (No you really don't need to literally reply as I expect you to have sane answer to that.)

So no, decidng that one can't afford to pay yet another small fee on something is not even close to mean economic problems. Yet people often says so, and drawing that card is useless really.

Originally posted by selobthegod

I can't play a game with OVERAGED graphics while other games have so realistic graphics , i just can't it's like making my eyes hurt

You're an eye candy whore, then again you can't help it, you've been suckered into the hype generated by video card companies and console makers.  Stop being a lemming.

If the game isn't fun for you thats fine but don't hate it because the graphics don't arouse you like you want them to. 

What eye candy whores fail to realize is alot of these development studios CAN release games with realistic graphics but choose not to for various reasons.  One reason being high system requirements.

If wow was full of shiny, mind numbing eye candy I doubt it would have the number of subs it does now.  Low system requirements = more players = more money for publishers / dev teams = more content, patches, expansions for us = game longevity. 

I hate eye candy whores.

Originally posted by Spiritof55

Originally posted by selobthegod

I can't play a game with OVERAGED graphics while other games have so realistic graphics , i just can't it's like making my eyes hurt

 

You're an eye candy whore, then again you can't help it, you've been suckered into the hype generated by video card companies and console makers.  Stop being a lemming.

If the game isn't fun for you thats fine but don't hate it because the graphics don't arouse you like you want them to. 

What eye candy whores fail to realize is alot of these development studios CAN release games with realistic graphics but choose not to for various reasons.  One reason being high system requirements.

If wow was full of shiny, mind numbing eye candy I doubt it would not have the number of subs it does now.  Low system requirements = more players = more money for publishers / dev teams = more content, patches, expansions for us = game longevity. 

I hate eye candy whores.

Thats kind of  mean. There is nothing wrong with enjoying a game with amazing graphics. I like eye candy though I have come to appreciate stylized graphcs for two reasons.

1 It extremely extends the life of a game by not dating itself by graphics quality and as you said reduces system requirements. 

2. As the graphics are pushed closer and closer to realism the more fake and plastic characters looks to me.

The above two reason for me apply to MMOs I expect high quality eye popping graphics in single player games.

BUT it isn't a crime to want or enjoy eye candy. I kinda hope that MMOs will look as good as MassEffect graphics in 10 years. I dont expect it but i hope for it.

Originally posted by Orphes

Because things add up... and then you are broke. And you have to hit the brakes before that and decide you can't afford it. And it doesn't matter if is a game or whatever it is. I'm not even remotely thinking you or anyone else is slightest interested in my expenses. (It's a list of clear examples so don't bother asking why I put them there.)

Sure I can afford $15 a month over and over until well when. When should I decide that I can't?

So no, decidng that one can't afford to pay yet another small fee on something is not even close to mean economic problems. Yet people often says so, and drawing that card is useless really.

Ok, so what I am getting is at your post is your just bad with money management like a lot of people?(My brother couldn't balance his checkbook if you had a gun to his head everyday of the week) Me on the other hand, I've had to scrape to pay bills when I went through college, so that is a non-issue for me.

When should you decide you can't pay 15 over and over?  When you decide it isn't worth a turd coming out your ass.  As soon as I get tired of a game, whether I have 1 month left and its the beginning, or I bought a 3 month and got tired of it 10days in I quit.  Cancel and never log back in(not always uninstall)

Now your last comment about "Paying another small fee." I'll say it again, it boils down to a monetary issue.  Everyone has certain bills they must pay(unless of course your just a rich mofo and have everything bought and paid for on a whim when you want it, but for the rest of us normal peeps) and certain indulgences they want.  The question is do you want the additional indulgence or not.  To me and I would imagine a lot of people on this website the monthly fee is an indulgence they want.  I literally feel odd not paying for a monthly fee for a game.  In the months I have none to pay, I go donate some dough to keep a website I frequently visit up and running.

So really man, it boils down to you and what you think is worth it based on all your other financial obligations.

I think the OP has stated his opinion and I, personally, share the same.  This game is priced the same as state-of-the-art, can't wait to get my hands on type of games; however, it is not.  If you disagree with me on this please do come back in 2 to 3 months time...if this game is not dead it will be free to play and/or at a greatly reduced price.  In all honesty, through playing the beta and playing tons of mmo's on the market (pay to play and free to play) this game falls into the free to play category...and not even among the best of that category.  Would I ever pay to play this game??? No F'in way!

I really don't get it...It's sorta like driving a 1990 minivan into a 2010 auto show and trying to market it as an equal to the new vehicles...

Originally posted by kilun 

So really man, it boils down to you and what you think is worth it based on all your other financial obligations.

Yeah, so actually we are agreeing. Saying one can't afford it don't need to mean that there is an economical problem behind it.

Your post makes me kringe.  If by state of the art you mean pretty graphics, which I think is what you are getting at, I would suggest you get a new computer if you have even played this game at all.  The graphics are about as good as any mmo I have played so I dont quite understand what you are venting about.  God forbid this game is not as pretty as a single player game.  Mmo's from my recent play have had comparable graphics but seriously lack in the content department.  I find this game more sandbox and if the content is superior I can make a very very minor graphical sacrifice.  Perhaps you should stick to your shiny graphics without crap for content.  Maybe you would prefer AoC to an Eve.  If so that is your taste but imho you are a fool for doing so.  Perhaps you could show us a list of the AWESOME games you have played recently that BLOW FE out of the water.  I myself have not found too many mmos that could make this claim graphically and MOST certainly not content / enjoyment wise. 

again, if you think the graphics look dated perhaps you should upgrade your 1990 computer to a 2010 model because the game looks great on my rig.

Originally posted by Orphes

Originally posted by kilun

I'm lost on your whole post.  What does those other things have to do with the price of Fallen Earth.

You want me to say is it to much, and then say I got other things I have to pay for?  What sense does that make at all.  No one cares about your other crap, your bills, etc.  People say is it to much and I can't afford it means one thing: I do not have an extra 50 to spend on the game, simple as that.  So people say, "dude you got more issues than being able to afford a game each month."  Why?  Because if you can not afford 15 a month, you got serious monetary issues, and the last thing you should be worried about is playing a video game.

Your other hobbies and wasteful spending have no relation to whether this is priced to your liking or not.  You choose to spend money on other things. 

To me Fallen Earth IS the only interesting game to play.  So basically your whole statement is your point of view on nothing but a bunch on stuff that has no reason behind it other than you want to save a buck or two.   I have two kids(23months and 4weeks old) and Fallen Earth is the only hobby I have.  So like I said, $50 bucks is a fair price, a f2p MMO appeals to me about as much as a turd coming out of my ass.

 

Because things add up... and then you are broke. And you have to hit the brakes before that and decide you can't afford it. And it doesn't matter if is a game or whatever it is. I'm not even remotely thinking you or anyone else is slightest interested in my expenses. (It's a list of clear examples so don't bother asking why I put them there.)

Sure I can afford $15 a month over and over until well when. When should I decide that I can't?

You tell  for how long you think it's just $15, $50 or whatever. Until you are all out of money or before? And also answer if you honestly thinks that decision makes you have monetary problems. (No you really don't need to literally reply as I expect you to have sane answer to that.)

So no, decidng that one can't afford to pay yet another small fee on something is not even close to mean economic problems. Yet people often says so, and drawing that card is useless really.

I hear you bro, I want a fleet of ferrari's and a I got my eye on a few porche's, that veyron looks sweet but those fuckers just don't even take into consideration my budget. Liberties man, liberties.

Originally posted by mrw0lf

 

I hear you bro, I want a fleet of ferrari's and a I got my eye on a few porche's, that veyron looks sweet but those fuckers just don't even take into consideration my budget. Liberties man, liberties.