Originally posted by stillkillin

 

jedi should be something special something a player should work long and hard for.

why do you think the nge has fail and they are shutting down most of the servers it is due to the nge being a waste of time and making jedi a boring old starter class. people want unlockable jedi.

and people want tor to be swg 2

Nah .. there are plenty of SP games where everyone gets to be Jedi and they are successful. TOR is the right way to go.

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 I think TOR will be a lot of fun but a MMO it is not at this point. 

So? As long as it is fun, who cares?

Originally posted by stillkillin

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 I think TOR will be a lot of fun but a MMO it is not at this point. 

 

i wouldn't call it an mmo at all

and how long do you think it will be before bioware tries to put it on the lamebox 360

Yes,   ... oh yes... it will be an MMO, whether you think it will or not.

Originally posted by stillkillin

 

in tor jedi should be rare and it should be unlocked and alpha like it was in swg being a starting class and a class isn't going to make people stay in tor

How many times do you have to be told alpha classes is a horrible idea for MMOs. Go play a single player. Of coarse ToR will be loaded with Jedi. Atleast know something about Star Wars Old Republic era before you come on here babbling about your agenda. I already told you to look up Order 66, for more then one reason. It should answer your questions on why jedi shouldn't have been in SWG (As a player class), and why ToR will be full of them. But that requires the ability to read, right?

Really your entire post made no sense, I decyphered what I could. Punctuation, do you know what that is?

Originally posted by stillkillin

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by stillkillin

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by tillamook

Originally posted by IcoGames

Originally posted by stillkillin 

yes and thats why tor isn't an mmo.

look at pre-cu swg you had 30 man groups. you had to interact with other players in order to go out and do things. there was no solo content or any of that. rather you had to go out and make friends with people to do things.

tor? you can solo your way in tor, hohum who cares.

 

Wait ... are you claiming that you couldn't solo through pre-CU SWG?  Sorry, but I was a one man mass extinction event on Dathomir. 

Maybe what he's really saying is that he sucks at MMOs, including SWG. To me you are fail if you can't play an MMO outside of a group, and TBH SWG did not have 30 man groups, the max was 20.

There is no a doubt he was probably bad at the game. If this didn't give it away, the constant crying over hardcore unlockable jedi for ToR was, you can always spot weak links when they scream for alpha classes in MMOs. I still don't get how he fails to understand SWG was not suppose to have playable jedi "at all", yet he complains that this game will be full of them.

 

jedi should be something special something a player should work long and hard for.

why do you think the nge has fail and they are shutting down most of the servers it is due to the nge being a waste of time and making jedi a boring old starter class. people want unlockable jedi.

and people want tor to be swg 2

I did the Jedi grind, and I can say it sucked. It broke guilds up, broke friendships up, cost crap loads of credits to get and maintain, you spent months in seclusion grinding and in the end almost everyone on my server ended up with a Jedi alt anyways.

No I don't agree that it should have made a starter class for the NGE, if anything it never should've never been in the game during this period. As a mater of fact Raph Koster said on another MMO site I’m member of that Jedi was never going to be a player class in the beginning, it was added in at the last minute. And originally perma death was supposed to remove the class from your access forever, till you did another holocron unlock keeping Jedi limited. But this never happened because everyone wanted Jedi. So I guess you could say it was never "special". How bout them apples?

For SWTOR, yes, Jedi should be a starter class since it’s an MMO for one, for two it fits in with this time period when lots of Jedi where around…end of story.

 

 

no it didn't

people made tons of friends by going out and working in groups and helping one another reach the goal of being jedi the cost was good cuz back then crafters did there best to make sure everyone had good gear at good prices and jedi was rare just seeing a jedi would come as a shock to you

and raph never said that link and proof. raph wanted jedi in swg from the start as did the players who saw it was going to be the best part of swg.

in tor jedi should be rare and it should be unlocked and alpha like it was in swg being a starting class and a class isn't going to make people stay in tor

Ok I've come to the conclusion you have never really played SWG now. Oh and here's your links

www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php

 www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php

www.rlmmo.com/viewtopic.php  OMG, he thinks Holo drops are what killed SWG, imagine that?

SWG fanbois want TOR to be SWG 2 and the more they find out TOR is going to be a WoW clone with a story arc and cinimatics, the louder they are going to cry about it.

Finkel is Einhorne.   Just because you add bewbs and tuck the junk doesn't change it.  No one from the real Bioware is working on TOR.  The creative director has been quoted hundreds of times about how he feels WoW is a stepping stone for the market and to make a mainstream MMO work it has to follow that linear themepark model.  That is what they are doing.  Get over it.

TOR = (WoW - Warcraft) * Star Wars.  End of story.

And the Jedi argument is mute.  Jedi is a hero class.  TOR is a single player themepark with multiplayer options.  Get over it.

Originally posted by Draccan

New article on Massively

 

A quote: "Especially since you've got such a strong singleplayer element in the story and choice features, how important is grouping to Star Wars: The Old Republic?

Blaine: I think it's a very important message we want to get out right now, because there's a lot of questions out there. People are saying, "Okay, we see it, we get it. It looks like a BioWare game and that looks like a singleplayer experience." We really want to make sure that it's clear that it's not [a singleplayer game]. Obviously what we've shown so far are the new things we're trying to bring to the MMO space, but grouping is going to be very important.

The closest demonstration we've had so far is where we show the flashpoint where we've got the the Sith Warrior grouped up with the Bounty Hunter. That's a grouping experience, and that includes your story experience, which is something we want to be sure people are clear on. When you're grouped, it doesn't impede the story whatsoever, so you can still progress the story as a group. It's not a singleplayer experience in any way, shape or form.

That said, if you want to do solo play that's something that you can do as well. It's a goal of ours to make sure that we cater to all those play styles. It someone is like, "I don't wanna group, I wanna play a BioWare game. I wanna go through the story and do things on my own." you can do that. You're gonna see other people running around the world, as you would in any other MMO. On the other hand, if you want to group you're gonna be able to go through the game that way as well."

 

I think Bioware and I have different ideas about what makes a mmorpg MASSIVE !?!!?!

 

 

 

 

They are a skilled developer and I was rooting for this game and will still try it but ya I was hoping for (what I call) a MMO, let me clarify and this is just my openion and I know it doesn't suit every one.

To me a player in a MMO should not be the star of the story, you should be one of many an actor (rather minor at that) in a larger story beyond the scope of your character and perhaps they will give that so again I will try it. This is one major factor I did not like about AoC I loved the games mechanics I still think thous mechanics with less of a focus on the indavidual and more on the mass would make a killer game the IP they chose was perfect for that. I still hope some day to see a solid MMO set in the Star Wars IP where I can be not the be all end all hero of the story but an actor in the greater story heres hoping my interpretation of the above is off.

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Originally posted by parrotpholk

 I think TOR will be a lot of fun but a MMO it is not at this point. 

 

So? As long as it is fun, who cares?

I agree if its fun I will play.

As to all the anti Jedi as a class with TOR's take on it you could do Jedi as I dont hink of Jedi as the be all end all supper powers that we felt they where in the traditional story but rather skilled trained warriors aken to well a knight or a templar in many other games/stories. Perhaps Im off from the argument I never got into SWG and I know TOR from Knights of the old republic but all in all I think its a fine class option assuming its not a uber class and has its draw backs liek any other class. If that is the case I wont likely play as a Jedi or its dark side counter part. 

Originally posted by LodenDSG

 

I agree if its fun I will play.

As to all the anti Jedi as a class with TOR's take on it you could do Jedi as I dont hink of Jedi as the be all end all supper powers that we felt they where in the traditional story but rather skilled trained warriors aken to well a knight or a templar in many other games/stories. Perhaps Im off from the argument I never got into SWG and I know TOR from Knights of the old republic but all in all I think its a fine class option assuming its not a uber class and has its draw backs liek any other class. If that is the case I wont likely play as a Jedi or its dark side counter part. 

You're right, both Jedi and Sith were far from being super powerful. Their mystical connection to something fictional, like the force, has given people the impression they are super heroes/villians. Yet people forget that a skilled marksman could take a Jedi/Sith out from the top of a building with a rifle. I guess it's disregarded because being a skilled marksman is possible in real life.

Originally posted by KupoKupopo

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Because there are instances?

He clearly said there are areas where there can be numerous people running around (just like a normal MMO).  I guess you just chose to ignore that part.

Just be honest.  You're crying that this is not SWG2.  But why would they make a sequel to a game that failed miserably?

I don't think all of SWG failed miserably... Pre-NGE  was a great game and becoming a jedi in that system was very rewarding i thought... now and in TOR everyone and anyone can just BE a jedi... so we will see how TOR plays out...

Look at the time line it is set in, jedi are as common as everyone else here so why would you differentiate them from everyone else by making them an unlockable class or making them rare? If you don't like that fact then don't play the game as you won't enjoy it. I think people are making a massive deal out of this for no reason at all.  I personally don't think jedi will be as popular as everyone thinks, the other classes look far more impressive.

I just have to ask the question, why can't the game be story driven and an RPG?

I mean, they said in a video I think I watched from PAX that it would have plaer housing and things of that nature.  I'm sure it will have a very open world.  Perhaps the story is something you can go in/out of?  Like if you feel like jumping back in at any time you can but when you don't want to there's lots of other things you can.

Originally posted by bleed0range

I just have to ask the question, why can't the game be story driven and an RPG?

 

I mean, they said in a video I think I watched from PAX that it would have plaer housing and things of that nature.  I'm sure it will have a very open world.  Perhaps the story is something you can go in/out of?  Like if you feel like jumping back in at any time you can but when you don't want to there's lots of other things you can.

I'm not sure what you mean by being story driven and be an RPG at the same time, seems they have that covered.

But what I think you are getting at is, can you stop doing the story, level as much as you want, then go back? I have no clue, but I really doubt it, since it's story "driven". There are other things to do besides story from what I have seen. Couple articles have kinda hinted at the possibility of Mission Terminals. If this can be used to skip story and level, not sure.

Originally posted by KupoKupopo

Originally posted by Draccan

New article on Massively

 

A quote: "Especially since you've got such a strong singleplayer element in the story and choice features, how important is grouping to Star Wars: The Old Republic?

Blaine: I think it's a very important message we want to get out right now, because there's a lot of questions out there. People are saying, "Okay, we see it, we get it. It looks like a BioWare game and that looks like a singleplayer experience." We really want to make sure that it's clear that it's not [a singleplayer game]. Obviously what we've shown so far are the new things we're trying to bring to the MMO space, but grouping is going to be very important.

The closest demonstration we've had so far is where we show the flashpoint where we've got the the Sith Warrior grouped up with the Bounty Hunter. That's a grouping experience, and that includes your story experience, which is something we want to be sure people are clear on. When you're grouped, it doesn't impede the story whatsoever, so you can still progress the story as a group. It's not a singleplayer experience in any way, shape or form.

That said, if you want to do solo play that's something that you can do as well. It's a goal of ours to make sure that we cater to all those play styles. It someone is like, "I don't wanna group, I wanna play a BioWare game. I wanna go through the story and do things on my own." you can do that. You're gonna see other people running around the world, as you would in any other MMO. On the other hand, if you want to group you're gonna be able to go through the game that way as well."

 

I think Bioware and I have different ideas about what makes a mmorpg MASSIVE !?!!?!

 

 

 

 

 

Because there are instances?

He clearly said there are areas where there can be numerous people running around (just like a normal MMO).  I guess you just chose to ignore that part.

Just be honest.  You're crying that this is not SWG2.  But why would they make a sequel to a game that failed miserably?

SWG didn't fail. Smedley broke it.

Originally posted by Staticblue

 

SWG didn't fail. Smedley broke it.

SWG was broken before the NGE hit. The NGE just made it, uh, Broken-er?

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by stillkillin

 

in tor jedi should be rare and it should be unlocked and alpha like it was in swg being a starting class and a class isn't going to make people stay in tor

 

How many times do you have to be told alpha classes is a horrible idea for MMOs. Go play a single player. Of coarse ToR will be loaded with Jedi. Atleast know something about Star Wars Old Republic era before you come on here babbling about your agenda. I already told you to look up Order 66, for more then one reason. It should answer your questions on why jedi shouldn't have been in SWG (As a player class), and why ToR will be full of them. But that requires the ability to read, right?

 

Really your entire post made no sense, I decyphered what I could. Punctuation, do you know what that is?

I've come to the conclusion that stillkillin is posting like he is because he enjoys the WTF replies. No one can possibly be that ignorant and grammar challenged.

LOL... Such narrow mindedness, you ask for something new, fresh and different. SWTOR embodies a lot of elements yet unknown. But instead of this thread being based on some topic worth while you are worried about being able to party 50 people together in one group.... LOL... that is funny, and the "what about the guilds with 100s of members?" bit won’t work here. Even if you have huge number of members in your guild, making small parties will still work fine. Even more so as you coordinate all the parties through what ever system available, this will a lot for true hierarchy style playing it would be nice to have a chain of command actually represented and not just a flavor text.

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by stillkillin

 

in tor jedi should be rare and it should be unlocked and alpha like it was in swg being a starting class and a class isn't going to make people stay in tor

 

How many times do you have to be told alpha classes is a horrible idea for MMOs. Go play a single player. Of coarse ToR will be loaded with Jedi. Atleast know something about Star Wars Old Republic era before you come on here babbling about your agenda. I already told you to look up Order 66, for more then one reason. It should answer your questions on why jedi shouldn't have been in SWG (As a player class), and why ToR will be full of them. But that requires the ability to read, right?

 

Really your entire post made no sense, I decyphered what I could. Punctuation, do you know what that is?

 

I've come to the conclusion that stillkillin is posting like he is because he enjoys the WTF replies. No one can possibly be that ignorant and grammar challenged.

i've come to the conclusion that you are a fanbot for bioware who wants a boring single player game that claims to be an mmo rather then something great like swg pre-cu.

Originally posted by stillkillin

 

i've come to the conclusion that you are a fanbot for bioware who wants a boring single player game that claims to be an mmo rather then something great like swg pre-cu.

 

Funny thing is, you will be playing ToR when it releases. True story.

Originally posted by stillkillin

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by greed0104

Originally posted by stillkillin

 

in tor jedi should be rare and it should be unlocked and alpha like it was in swg being a starting class and a class isn't going to make people stay in tor

 

How many times do you have to be told alpha classes is a horrible idea for MMOs. Go play a single player. Of coarse ToR will be loaded with Jedi. Atleast know something about Star Wars Old Republic era before you come on here babbling about your agenda. I already told you to look up Order 66, for more then one reason. It should answer your questions on why jedi shouldn't have been in SWG (As a player class), and why ToR will be full of them. But that requires the ability to read, right?

 

Really your entire post made no sense, I decyphered what I could. Punctuation, do you know what that is?

 

I've come to the conclusion that stillkillin is posting like he is because he enjoys the WTF replies. No one can possibly be that ignorant and grammar challenged.

 

i've come to the conclusion that you are a fanbot for bioware who wants a boring single player game that claims to be an mmo rather then something great like swg pre-cu.

 

And most of the community has come to the conclusion that you are a trollbot who can't comprehend that there should be different types of MMOs out there and it is ridiculous to try to make them all the same. 

You also appear very foolish for wanting this to be SWG2 so much after the original SWG failed so badly.  And your still talking about Jedi alpha classes? Nonsense.

Do you really think SOE changed everything in SWG because the game was performing well?  And its silly to think TOR should be like SWG just because it is "Star Wars".  There have been a ton of different Star Wars games and for you to come here shouting that this game should be like SWG is as ridiculous as you going to a WoW, EVE or Aion forum shouting that those games should be like SWG.

Get over it.  They aren't going to change this game to SWG2 for you and if you think they are, you truly have delusions of grandeur of epic proportions.  Stop making a fool of yourself already.