Originally posted by Sorrow

OK Ill probably get another warning from the mods for posting the truth here seems if you post the truth around here and it pisses anyone off you get in trouble for it but thats fine because Im not going to sit here and watch people get scammed.

 

1) Gamepath does NOT make any difference!! ( in fact the worst ping test I have gotten was using a paid gamepath account with a 22ms ping to the gamepath server ) In game I had 15547ms ping. I tested EVERY gamepath server in NA except one of the Atlanta server, and the best ping I had in game was off the worst gamepath ping to server.. 88ms to one of the LA servers = 337ms ping average in game.

 

2) This is NOT a BETA, people who keep calling this a BETA are clearly out of the NC loop, NC themselves called it a preview event, and before the comments start YES, I know its called an open beta, but the definition of open beta has changed VERY much over the last few years. Meaning it is being hosted to market the game not to find and fix bugs.  I am not saying this has not generated some huge issues that have NC panicing and looking for solutions, but going into this event they were not anticipating any issues or problems. I was speaking with a GM in game for a few hours last night and NC's position at the time was the issues were on the players end and not, repeat NOT on NC's end. I heard over and over again, "Well you have to understand many of the people with problems are running the game on systems below minimum requirements."

Blink, ok Im running on a I7 975, with 6 gigs and twin 285's on fios..  had zero issues in CB6, zero issues before they pulled down servers last night for server maintance, and the game has been unplayable since... but the problem is on my end?

Ok... then..

Basically what  I want to say here is something is seriously broken with this client build it is NOT your machine, or your connection, and NO snake doctor miracle drug is going to fix it so do not, please.. do not get sucked into any of these slick schemes some are pushing on some of the forums.

I like how someone from their staff put their rumor out that it was the top internet backbone owners in the entire world's fault. Not like all of the ATMs wouldn't break and the news of a massive internet blackout wouldn't be on TV like it was some kind of terrorist attack.

 Who from ncsoft said today or yesterday that this lag is a client side problem, sorrow? Haven't seen that yet.

 yep i believe ncsoft is due to call areanet to get some 101 training

gees its ncsoft also but men we get lush graphic no lag in pvp wich is very fast 

in aion we re rubberbanding so much i wonder where they got their tech from lol

i say ncsoft should give a call to arenanet might be a bigger help then they had for the past 2 month of denayal lol

Originally posted by Jquik

 Who from ncsoft said today or yesterday that this lag is a client side problem, sorrow? Haven't seen that yet.

It was an in game GM,  on Isphareal and Im sure it was a GM as he was in the starting area in at 50 with full PVP gear set : ) At least I hope he was a GM or we have an even bigger issue : )

Originally posted by Model192

Originally posted by Sorrow

OK Ill probably get another warning from the mods for posting the truth here seems if you post the truth around here and it pisses anyone off you get in trouble for it but thats fine because Im not going to sit here and watch people get scammed.

 

1) Gamepath does NOT make any difference!! ( in fact the worst ping test I have gotten was using a paid gamepath account with a 22ms ping to the gamepath server ) In game I had 15547ms ping. I tested EVERY gamepath server in NA except one of the Atlanta server, and the best ping I had in game was off the worst gamepath ping to server.. 88ms to one of the LA servers = 337ms ping average in game.

 

2) This is NOT a BETA, people who keep calling this a BETA are clearly out of the NC loop, NC themselves called it a preview event, and before the comments start YES, I know its called an open beta, but the definition of open beta has changed VERY much over the last few years. Meaning it is being hosted to market the game not to find and fix bugs.  I am not saying this has not generated some huge issues that have NC panicing and looking for solutions, but going into this event they were not anticipating any issues or problems. I was speaking with a GM in game for a few hours last night and NC's position at the time was the issues were on the players end and not, repeat NOT on NC's end. I heard over and over again, "Well you have to understand many of the people with problems are running the game on systems below minimum requirements."

Blink, ok Im running on a I7 975, with 6 gigs and twin 285's on fios..  had zero issues in CB6, zero issues before they pulled down servers last night for server maintance, and the game has been unplayable since... but the problem is on my end?

Ok... then..

Basically what  I want to say here is something is seriously broken with this client build it is NOT your machine, or your connection, and NO snake doctor miracle drug is going to fix it so do not, please.. do not get sucked into any of these slick schemes some are pushing on some of the forums.

 

I like how someone from their staff put their rumor out that it was the top internet backbone owners in the entire world's fault. Not like all of the ATMs wouldn't break and the news of a massive internet blackout wouldn't be on TV like it was some kind of terrorist attack.

its not a rumor lol those that have problem and test with tracert from aion get blocked 

i tried it i got blocked by level3 in baltimore,other are blocked from same company in atlanta 

and theres another company that happens a lot two .wont say their name since it hasnt happened to me 

I think the point is that there are a few MAJOR issues coming to light with OB that NcSoft needs to let us know they reconize the problems and are working on them. I haven't seen that as yet.  Continual updates would be appreciated as to the problems with the game.

 drel, 

http://betaboards.aiononline.com/ more directly -- http://betaboards.aiononline.com//forumdisplay.php?f=7 It has been announced on multiple threads and acknowledged.

Originally posted by Jquik

 drel, 

http://betaboards.aiononline.com/ more directly -- http://betaboards.aiononline.com//forumdisplay.php?f=7 It has been announced on multiple threads and acknowledged.

HeHe thanks, their betaboards are having a connectivity issue too. Can you acknowledge that too on one of their forums?

People have to start understanding something.  This is a beta.  It's a beta for a reason.  It's to test everything about the game and make sure that it is acceptable for release.  It's not.  That doesn't mean you should just go on forums and bitch and complain about it.  It means you should try to find out everything about these problems you can and report them to the developers so that they may fix them before full release.

The claim that the game has been out for a year or so in China/Korea/Whatever is an invalid argument.  It has been out there, but since when was China or Korea the same as United States or Europe?  Both the areas this game is in beta for are being tested less for the stability of the game and more for the stability of the servers and the teams that handle those servers.  The servers are purposely being stress tested.  Anyone who doesn't realize that should start to.  It's being stress tested on purpose so that they can figure out if they need more servers, less servers, or just increase the capacity of their servers to handle more players.

Don't forget that open beta characters mean nothing.  Once this week is over, they will be deleted and you will never see them again.  Then they will take the next week after it (And probably part of this week, or the whole week I don't know) and figure out the problems.  They probably are already doing that.  While you are playing and whining and complaining about lag, the server team is getting messages and errors about the problems you may not even notice are going on in the background.  Then they opt to fix these problems as soon as possible.

Stop complaining.  Stop bitching.  Stop whining.  It's open beta.  It's there to be tested.  It's obviously not up to what is needed, and it will be fixed.  If you don't like the lag, log off the game, turn it off, delete the shortcut for a few days, and go play something else.  Shut up.  People are absolutely sick of hearing about people whining over lag.  It's going to be there at least for today due to a holiday.  It's getting fixed.  I am certain by release these problems will be fixed.  And if they are by then, who cares?  I cannot stress enough that this beta is just that.  A beta.  Meant to be tested and to be fixed before official release.

Oh and the thing about paying for it already....you payed to play the OFFICIAL RELEASE.  Not the beta.  The beta was extra stuff that you got for buying.  If you bought the game for the beta test...you're an idiot.

Nuff from me.

Originally posted by Deddpool

Originally posted by Ashenkhar

Hahah, they SHOULD be mad about the lag.  Almost every person in the "open" beta has actually PAID for it.  Through FilePlanet, the biggest scam ever, $7.  If you pre-ordered it, minimum of $5.

If NC Soft wants Aion to even be remotely successful, they better wise up and start a TRUE open beta.  Why would you ever spend $50-$60 on an MMO that you can't even try first?  That's incredibly old school.  The only way you can try it is if you commit to purchasing the game, or pay FilePlanet's extortion fee.

 

LOL, no one paid for it just yet, all preorders go towards the price of the game, and can be canceled anytime (except for online orders) Sounds like a "true open beta" to you is just a chance to play the game early, which is not what its for.  OB is basically polish and stress test while looking for more bugs, thats it.  Nice try though.

So, you didn't actually pay for your pre-order?  You still have to pay money to be part of a so-called "open" beta.  Since people are so fond of comparing this game to WoW, the open beta for that was available whether you pre-ordered or not.  In fact, many companies have a open beta.  Nice try though...

Originally posted by rwmiller

Originally posted by Daytonazer0

So aside from the lag, how is the game? I've read a number of the threads on here and various rants/blogs about the beta but it's hard to tell what people actually think of the mechanics as they exist in the current beta version. I mean in terms of is it a slow grind, how's the class balance. I suppose the real question is: does it really have anything on WoW?

 

In general the game is a lot of fun to compare it directly to WoW leads to a range of problems since at the high end the games are structured quite differently. WoW is a lot of fun and I expect Aion to be also but neither game is going to be for everyone. If you like one on one structured PvP with a ton of PvE content then WoW is your game if you want something a bit more open and crazy in the PvP area then Aion could be the game for you.

Weirdly enough, crazy open pvp sounds like fun. And all the abuse the beta is getting is making me want to play it more...

I have to admit, its been a pretty poor show from NCSoft so far.

I actually feel kinda bad for people who plopped their cash down to experience this OB. They're obviously having difficulties manging the intake of people on the new hardware, and I actually think that a lot of the problems people are having are deliberate attempts by NCSoft to stress-test the servers (for feedback / analysis purposes).

Obviously this is no fun for those who paid to play in this OB.

The lack of communication has been poor though.

What characteristics of a beta is it exactly other than people are logging in before release? The architecture of the server is copied from over 1 year release. It's not a beta. It's a pre-release tool and their shit broke and now they're going to lose people. Instead of saying it's on their end they blame the top internet backbones in the entire world like the whole internet on the east coast just fell apart.

Originally posted by Model192

What characteristics of a beta is it exactly other than people are logging in before release? The architecture of the server is copied from over 1 year release. It's not a beta. It's a pre-release tool and their shit broke and now they're going to lose people. Instead of saying it's on their end they blame the top internet backbones in the entire world like the whole internet on the east coast just fell apart.

Everything except the game makes it the characteristics of a beta.  All the hardware is new/different.  All the people working on the servers, keeping them up to date and working is new/different.  The only part of this that it's not a beta is the fact that the game itself has been out for a while in other countries.  There are also localization factors, grammar and what not (You don't really need a beta for that but if you're going to have one mind as well include it). 

Their servers broke because it's a beta!  They're testing it!  You obviously don't understand the concept of a beta.  A beta is to make sure EVERYTHING works!  It doesn't.  That's why you have a beta.  To find out it doesn't work.  Now they know, they fix it!  If you don't understand that concept, you never will.

I cannot explain or begin to defend them on their decision to blame it on another source.  If they truly are blaming it on another source, then maybe it's to shut people up (which has obviously failed).  Whatever their reasoning, people need to understand that it's a beta.  Regardless of what you think, it's still testing this equipment.  Regardless or not if it actually is their end or not, they are still testing it!

I'm done with this conversation.  I've said my point, I'm not going to blindly repeat myself because you cannot understand a simple concept.

Originally posted by Jquik

 This was posted on the official beta forums but seems like it needs to be reposted here as well.

"In alot of the threads i've been reading, people are complaining that they paid for the pre-order of the game to be able to play in these betas. They are stating that NCSoft is not providing the service they should. However, many are missing the fact that NCSoft does not guarantee gameplay at any time, for any reason. This especially holds true in beta."

And I'll add to that. Lag does not show incompetence of the game developers. They would much rather have this happen in open beta than at release. If it's fixed during the OBT period then it shows they will actually do their jobs. And Yes they have addressed the lag issue many many times. It's been mentioned in-game and all throughout the forums that they are actively working to fix it.

All who have installed the game, and have logged into the game to at the very least, the Char creation screen have accepted the terms of agreement, use, and end user license agreements.

In the agreements, the following is stated;

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Section 10. Interruption of service

(A) NC Interactive reserves the right ot interrupt the service from time to time on a regularly scheduled basis or otherwise with or without prior notice in order to perform maintenance. You agree that NC interactive will not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform resulting from any cause whatsoever.

(B) You ackknowledge that the service may be interrupted for reasons beyond the control of NC interactive, and NC interactive cannot guarantee that you will be able to access the service or your account whenever you wish to do so. NC Interactive shall not be liable for any interruption of the service, delay or failure to perform resulting from any cause whatsoever

(C) NC Interactive has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to change and / or eliminate any aspect(s) of the service as it sees fit in its sole discretion.

(D) NC Interactive shall not be obligated to refund all or any portion of any account fee or additional feature fee by reason of any interruption of the service by reason of any of the circumstances described in paragraph (A) or (B).

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Please take your time to read the print that's available to you at any time you wish. They are working on the issues, and we'll get to play the game. Be patient."

Bravo! your too cool. Hard to argue with that. I will say that I could care less whats in fine print in any game. No company has a serious expectation people will read and/or understand them, let alone expect adherrence to every line in fact and in practice. Just because someone clicks an "I agree" in no real world way is a realistic expectation they know or really agree. We all know legalese is a different universe caused by global warming. Now I will also say if push come to shove, I did push agree and have no way to say otherwise, except in the real world.
 

Originally posted by drbaltazar

oh brother why do i bother .its obvious your sailling smooth as butter in aion and only think about your self .what can we say

I said I was done but...

Really?  So I'm wasting my time on forums when I could be playing a game I enjoy.  More like I've had lag issues as well, and just took my own advice and stopped playing while I waited for this to be figured out.  Instead of bitching and moaning on forums about how the lag stops me from playing, I'm trying to take a minute of my time and get idiots to stop bitching and complaining over something that is regardless.  You can complain all you want, it doesn't change the fact that something is wrong and until it gets fixed you can't do anything.  Regardless of how much you are going to complain it's not going to change a thing.

And you know what Model192, I don't know.  You're right.  But at least my reasoning would make sense to someone with a brain.  Anyone with common sense would buy the top of the line for a game that will clearly be popular.  As such, the top of the line now will be different from a year ago, and it might just create some hardware difficulties integrating it with the old software.  Plus, you ever think that since these problems weren't in CB, and OB is 1.5 that it might have changed network things that caused these problems?  Once again, beta for a reason.

Now I'm done.  Have fun responding...I won't see it.

OK I FINALLY have some information that kinda sorta makes sense to me.

1) Aion NA server farm was originally located in Texas.

2) The OB Event started last night on the new server farm located on the east cost of the US.

3) Something happened last night to the east coast servers so they brought the servers down for the emergency maintance and kicked them back to the original servers in Texas, apparently the Texas server farm did not have the bandwidth or support to carry the OB event load so started to buckle.

4) Sometime between last night and this morning they put the load off on a server farm in Seattle assume thats that Lineage 2 US server farm or maybe guildwars not sure about this.

5) As of right now they are working on bringing the east coast server farm back up and are bringing the game down at 2:30 CST to reroute the game back to the east coast server farm.

HOPEFULLY a fix is coming very soon : )

Originally posted by Ashenkhar

Originally posted by Deddpool

Originally posted by Ashenkhar

Hahah, they SHOULD be mad about the lag.  Almost every person in the "open" beta has actually PAID for it.  Through FilePlanet, the biggest scam ever, $7.  If you pre-ordered it, minimum of $5.

If NC Soft wants Aion to even be remotely successful, they better wise up and start a TRUE open beta.  Why would you ever spend $50-$60 on an MMO that you can't even try first?  That's incredibly old school.  The only way you can try it is if you commit to purchasing the game, or pay FilePlanet's extortion fee.

 

LOL, no one paid for it just yet, all preorders go towards the price of the game, and can be canceled anytime (except for online orders) Sounds like a "true open beta" to you is just a chance to play the game early, which is not what its for.  OB is basically polish and stress test while looking for more bugs, thats it.  Nice try though.

So, you didn't actually pay for your pre-order?  You still have to pay money to be part of a so-called "open" beta.  Since people are so fond of comparing this game to WoW, the open beta for that was available whether you pre-ordered or not.  In fact, many companies have a open beta.  Nice try though...

I forgot to mention that NC should be forced to watch hours of Wo_ (censored) xpack trailers for even using that toilet of the internet fileplanet ( I won't even dignify them by capitalizing their name). Please gaming universe God's, done let NC have any microsoft tie ins!
 

 Makes sense. Hadn't heard that though. Where'd you get that info sorrow?